General GunTuber thread

[HumptiDouji]

I'm guessing there are similar laws to Mexico where you can't own the military's chosen calibers? IE 38 Super, .40, and .45 take the place of 9mm?

Some of those laws tend to not actually care about if the cartridges in question are even in actual use anymore, hence why in some places you'll see shit like 7.92mm Mauser, .303 British, or .30-06 Springfield remaining verboten even though they haven't been in even reservist use since the Cold War.
I recall some of those countries (Mexico, I believe), also decided that .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum are military cartridges, and though I'm sure that they must have seen some sort of small use in some corner of some army somewhere, that same logic would then have to apply to .22LR, yet doesn't (but I'm not gonna be the one to jinx that). France has (had?) legislation like that though, and they actually updated it to remove some of the old obsolete calibers from the restriction at some point.

The only instance I can think of even relating to .44 Magnum is the AAI QSPR, but those weren't chambered for .44 Magnum, and they built less than a dozen of them. Presumably the logic is just that a particularly powerful handgun is a military weapon, even though this hasn't been true since probably the Colt Walker.

From what I've gathered, the police, of all agencies, really fucking like it still, especially in Brazil. They literally made a Steyer Aug SMG in .40 just for them.

I see the appeal in a .40 caliber Steyr AUG if you're expecting to fight violent and armed druggies, and it wouldn't be nearly as loud or blasty as the short carbine 5.56mm AUG, which makes a difference if you may have to fight indoors. Seems to take Glock mags too, thought might be that they want the ability to use their spare pistol mags if they have to, however likely that may end up actually being.

The extendable buttplate is a curious addition.

 

[Lupo Akane]

I keep getting told by people that it's not underloaded anymore, but just looking it up you can see that most still is. It's bizarre to me that a cartridge hyped for its power gets underdelivered on by most manufacturers.


Perhaps it was my imagination, but having once looked at and handled a couple of Taurus pistols from around the 80s and early 90s, they seem a good bit nicer put together than later production ones I remember.

To me they are, I'v had it next to a Beretta from the same time and they look good along side it. The only problem I have is the blue is starting wear off on parts but its still a good looking gun lol.

 

[Dvsilverwing]

From what I've gathered, the police, of all agencies, really fucking like it still, especially in Brazil. They literally made a Steyer Aug SMG in .40 just for them.

Oh fair enough, I completely forgot about the SAF in .40 too.

Some of those laws tend to not actually care about if the cartridges in question are even in actual use anymore, hence why in some places you'll see shit like 7.92mm Mauser, .303 British, or .30-06 Springfield remaining verboten even though they haven't been in even reservist use since the Cold War.

I'd not heard of that prior, but that's pretty wild. I just remember .38 Super being popular in Mexico because it's a close analogue to 9mm.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Perhaps it was my imagination, but having once looked at and handled a couple of Taurus pistols from around the 80s and early 90s, they seem a good bit nicer put together than later production ones I remember.

If I recall correctly during that point Taurus was working under the supervision of Beretta engineers.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I see the appeal in a .40 caliber Steyr AUG if you're expecting to fight violent and armed druggies, and it wouldn't be nearly as loud or blasty as the short carbine 5.56mm AUG, which makes a difference if you may have to fight indoors. Seems to take Glock mags too, thought might be that they want the ability to use their spare pistol mags if they have to, however likely that may end up actually being.
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The extendable buttplate is a curious addition.

The appeal makes sense. From every interview I've seen, usually from TFBTV, from Beretta to Steyer, they seem... confused as to why South America really likes it, though they see the money so they keep doing it. Even living in the US, it makes sense when you hear about the sheer amount of drugs in South America. 40 recoil less than 45, still hits hard, and will plow through a coked up cartel member pretty reliablely on full auto.

Oh fair enough, I completely forgot about the SAF in .40 too.


I'd not heard of that prior, but that's pretty wild. I just remember .38 Super being popular in Mexico because it's a close analogue to 9mm.

Responding to the 38 super comment, it's similar to 9mm, but can in fact exceed it due to the long case, and with lower pressures to boot. Really the main flaw is the semi rimmed nature of the case, but it has been altered over the years to be less of a issue. If you get one, a 1911 is a classic choice, and common in competition

 

[Smoke Manmuscle]

I keep getting told by people that it's not underloaded anymore, but just looking it up you can see that most still is. It's bizarre to me that a cartridge hyped for its power gets underdelivered on by most manufacturers.

10mm is like 6.5 CM, the current MEME caliber.

Modern 10mm for self defense is definitely a meme caliber. That being said, it has absolutely replaced .44 Mag as the back county gun of choice. Just about every bear defense shooting in the past 10 years has used 10mm. Most are shooting loads meant for heavy game like Buffalo Bore.

On the subject of Buffalo Bore be aware they are knowingly loading outside of SAAMI specs and I am honestly waiting for them to get the pants sued off them.

There are modern 10mm factory loads that are true 10s. Now that the fibbies aren’t dictating terms the ammo manufactures have actually put money into building to the original specs. I believe Winchester announced a 170gr tipped 10mm that does 1250 at the muzzle at shot show last year.

 

[Uranus Pink]

For Buffalo Bore they and every gun magazine and online equivalent had been putting disclaimers and warnings on most of their loadings are on the hot end for at least a quarter century now.

 

[MirrorNoir]

You ever notice all the pro-Rittenhouse youtubers, including Brandon Herrara, who had him on his channel, still shill that shitty coffee?

Black Rifle has a lot of money and it's been said that they throw it around to basically buy up the various guntubers out there to use them as shills for their swill.

They supposedly even used their money to get Donut a major acting gig on Vet TV, causing the website's two main writers (who wrote about 90% of the shows on the website) to quit the website over Black Rifle meddling with casting.

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

Black Rifle has a lot of money and it's been said that they throw it around to basically buy up the various guntubers out there to use them as shills for their swill.

They supposedly even used their money to get Donut a major acting gig on Vet TV, causing the website's two main writers (who wrote about 90% of the shows on the website) to quit the website over Black Rifle meddling with casting.

IIRC, they got large Republican party donors as investors.

 

[Archie_Kimkicker]

IIRC, they got large Republican party donors as investors.

Hafer is a literal CIA nigger, and that is all you need to know about BRCC.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Modern 10mm for self defense is definitely a meme caliber. That being said, it has absolutely replaced .44 Mag as the back county gun of choice. Just about every bear defense shooting in the past 10 years has used 10mm. Most are shooting loads meant for heavy game like Buffalo Bore.

On the subject of Buffalo Bore be aware they are knowingly loading outside of SAAMI specs and I am honestly waiting for them to get the pants sued off them.

There are modern 10mm factory loads that are true 10s. Now that the fibbies aren’t dictating terms the ammo manufactures have actually put money into building to the original specs. I believe Winchester announced a 170gr tipped 10mm that does 1250 at the muzzle at shot show last year.

For Buffalo Bore they and every gun magazine and online equivalent had been putting disclaimers and warnings on most of their loadings are on the hot end for at least a quarter century now.

Buffalo Bore sometimes go as far as to list what guns don't work with their ammo, like with 44 Special and the Charter Arms Bulldog. A lawsuit is unlikely honestly. As for 10mm fully replacing 44, I think that's youtube more than anything; revolver guys are gonna buy revolvers in the biggest calibers possible, I know I want to.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Buffalo Bore sometimes go as far as to list what guns don't work with their ammo, like with 44 Special and the Charter Arms Bulldog. A lawsuit is unlikely honestly. As for 10mm fully replacing 44, I think that's youtube more than anything; revolver guys are gonna buy revolvers in the biggest calibers possible, I know I want to.

That's sounds like a youtube thing, as offline and online pre-Youtube, it have been a live and let live amongst most pistol and rifle caliber affinindoes(sp?). Although the 10mm does haves the distinction of being placed along side revolver calibers for handgun hunting and outdoor protection. As it have been rated by SAAMI for up to white tail deer albeit within the handgun range. 10mm for outdoor protection is/was manly for people who didn't want a revolver but something with more substantial than either the 9mm or .45 ACP for hogs onwards to bears.

 

[Stage IV]

I keep getting told by people that it's not underloaded anymore, but just looking it up you can see that most still is. It's bizarre to me that a cartridge hyped for its power gets underdelivered on by most manufacturers.

10mm JHPs are downloaded because it improves terminal performance. With full power loads 10mm HPs shear petals and don't expand reliably. Which makes 10mm totally pointless funnily enough.

 

[Stage IV]

I'm still a believer in .40, I went away from 9mm unless it was a PCC/collectors item/SBR.

Why though? More recoil, lower capacity, worse reliability in most platforms, and negligible increase in terminal performance.

 

[Troon_Patrol]

Why though? More recoil, lower capacity, worse reliability in most platforms, and negligible increase in terminal performance.

I found no issue with .40 and follow-up shots, I spent a day with a glock 26 and 27 went back and forth and found not enough recoil increase to affect my groups. later on I did the same with a 17 and 22 still no issue with follow ups. I find the capacity issue to be negligable and I still beleive in my gut objectively and empirically .40 "hits" harder than 9mm.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

The differences between 9, .40, and .45 are all there and you will notice them but they're not really applicable to anyone who isn't a new shooter. The entire crux of the 9 vs 45 argument is literally "more shots vs marginally more powerful per shot" and people who like .40 appreciate the middle ground and people who don't like .40 tend to consider it too much of a compromise. None of them are bad, none of them are useless, and any argument between them is just angels dancing on pinheads.

Also I'm going to edit to add that with 10mm I honestly think that loading JHP is probably stupid anyways and a nice hardcast flat point is probably the way to go, just like you would with a big bore revolver cartridge. You've got the weight and the speed for it.

 

[jkkf2204]

While you argued about .40 and 10mm, I studied the gun youtuber.

And now that the world is on fire and the gun trannies are at the gate you have the audacity to come to me for lolcows?

"It's actually the scope on the Ruger Precision Rifle that Karl and I originally bought for InRange way back when. Well when InRange split up uh, heh, we sort of did the divorcing parents deal on the guns we had for InRange and I ended up with the RPR, I have pulled the scope off of it and thrown it on to this because this is way cooler than a RPR."


Forgot to mention I transcribed this by hand from his Patreon video on 12/18/2022.

 

[Corn Flakes]

The differences between 9, .40, and .45 are all there and you will notice them but they're not really applicable to anyone who isn't a new shooter. The entire crux of the 9 vs 45 argument is literally "more shots vs marginally more powerful per shot" and people who like .40 appreciate the middle ground and people who don't like .40 tend to consider it too much of a compromise. None of them are bad, none of them are useless, and any argument between them is just angels dancing on pinheads.

I don't know about you guys, but as far as I'm concerned the ergonomics of the pistol itself are far more important to me than whether it's slinging out 9mm or .45. For example, I've got my basic bitch 9mm Glock and I'm a fairly competent shooter with it. Not going to be hitting a quarter at 20 yards with it, but I'm fine with that. Last year, one of the guys at the range showed up with a dumb obscure Wonder Nine I can't really remember the model, but no matter how much I tried I just couldn't get comfortable with that thing. My follow-up shots went everywhere unless I took a good three seconds to reacquire with every shot. It genuinely felt like the bore axis on that thing was two inches higher than it actually was.

On the other hand, I'm familiar enough with 1911s that I can borrow my buddy's and get good groupings with .45.

Long story short: unless you really just can't handle the recoil, get a gun that fits you first, then worry about the caliber.

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

Not going to be hitting a quarter at 20 yards with it, but I'm fine with that.

Speaking of this and people being autistic about guns:
People complaining they can't shoot at 25 yards with the embedded tritium sight in the P365 SAS are the same type of retard. The sight is designed for quick aim at close distances and the firearm itself being anti-snag, not for plinking. You see some reviews complaining about accuracy and, I hope this a troll, one specifically mentioning how his 1911 can hit at a distance just fine.

To add context to the 9mm/.40 sperging: People were choosing .40 very early on due to 9mm not having very many +p cartridges or compatible firearms. 9mm wasn't as good 30 years ago as it is now.

 

[jkkf2204]

Always happy to see Duelist mentioned, he's kinda around my area. Gave me some advice on a shop before in comments, very based. I'd suggest CapandBall too. Comfy hungarian black powder goodness

I have the CapandBall pistol cartridge loading kits and boxes. The black powder centric channels in general are extremely based because the basic bitch gun normie isn't interested at all in black powder. Only true gun chads seek them out. This actually falsely led me to believe Karl was based but then he turned out to be a Gay Nigger from Outer Space so YMMV.

I'm curious to the actual reaction of the zoomer gun fags when BritishMuzzleLoaders won the "Most Dapper" award at their gay award show last year. They had nominated a bunch of typically homosexual looking Instagram faggots and even a dog but based Rob beat them. Unfortunately their shitty stream cut out and I couldn't see what happened when he won.