Megathread TERFs / Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists / Gender Critical Feminists - ft. r/GenderCritical & related reddits, Mancheeze, Cathy Brennan, GCDad, RadFHarva, Jamie Shupe, etc; "Gender Critical Feminism is Homophobic" - Cathy Brennan, 2019.

[Hannibalistique]

Sexual liberation and gender liberation(abolition) are not the same thing. Sexual liberation was heavily critiziced by radical feminists (I think Andrea Dworkin tackles the topic in her book Right wing women) as was as porn and prostitution that coomers and liberal feminists love so much.

I'm not all that knowledgeable about feminism, but I think one problem with the critique in this thread is that radical feminism is viewed as some nebulous static thing.
Assuming radical feminists helped bring about the current troon mess, it doesn't mean they haven't learned (and can't learn). They are working to try to fix this, after all.

...still better than TRAs though

This is kind of my point. There really isn't any (functional) alternative for women who oppose the tranny insanity.
So either people need to create an alternative, or work with the TERFs to improve whatever problem they have with them.

 

[pork and beans]

I'm not all that knowledgeable about feminism, but I think one problem with the critique in this thread is that radical feminism is viewed as some nebulous static thing.
Assuming radical feminists helped bring about the current troon mess, it doesn't mean they haven't learned (and can't learn). They are working to try to fix this, after all.


This is kind of my point. There really isn't any (functional) alternative for women who oppose the tranny insanity.
So either people need to create an alternative, or work with the TERFs to improve whatever problem they have with them.

very good points. agreed. while many radfems have said (and will probably continue saying) very wacky shit (especially throughout the 80-90s) others (especially recently) have written pretty good books arguing agains trans ideology. they dont necessarily offer anything new to the table to anybody that was already against, but they have the potential to peak the average normie lol

 

[Oilspill Battery]

It's not just Nick Fuentes, he is just the most obvious example. The others e. g. push soy shit like "the proper way to handle your emotions is to cry in public",

I can't imagine a tradcath group going its "ok to cry in public" isn't that what soys are most mocked about?

I just didn't want to list up every single issue with the current right wing, I think they should be mostly self-explanatory.

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/jerem...unsleeved-media-midwestly.48959/post-11954041

I think as a whole this can be blamed on the decline of religion in the US. Null calls these men aimless/lost which I agree with but they're aimless because they have no community and they have no community because the primary source of it (religion) is all but dismantled, and all the secondary sources (usually hobbies with other men) have been destroyed in the name of inclusivity.

All the people fighting for secularism and atheism have never stopped to consider that in all of human history there has never been a single atheist society and try to work out why.

Its also why this problem is a lot less pronounced in europe.

Sexual liberation and gender liberation(abolition) are not the same thing. Sexual liberation was heavily critiziced by radical feminists (I think Andrea Dworkin tackles the topic in her book Right wing women) as was as porn and prostitution that coomers and liberal feminists love so much.

i do agree that there are a lot of points to be critiqued in radical feminism ideals though, and that they are not the solution to troonism
...still better than TRAs though

Anything that involves abolition of gender roles will innevitably lead to trannies.

If you tell women they can be literally anything they want, you also have to tell the same thing to men and if you tell the same to men some of them will want to be women (And vice versa)

And that's the point where you don't have any strong arguments to make other than "You're a disgusting perverted degenerate" which was the same argument the patriarchy was making 100 years ago far more efficiently.

You can't make an ideology based on live and let live and be surprised when people start pushing it to its limit and doing stuff you don't like.

 

[Hannibalistique]

I can't imagine a tradcath group going its "ok to cry in public" isn't that what soys are most mocked about?

It's what Jordan Peterson is currently most known for.

Its also why this problem is a lot less pronounced in europe.

Is it really? Norway is currently trying to put a lesbian in jail for tweeting that men can't get pregnant.

Anything that involves abolition of gender roles will innevitably lead to trannies.

If you tell women they can be literally anything they want, you also have to tell the same thing to men and if you tell the same to men some of them will want to be women (And vice versa)

And that's the point where you don't have any strong arguments to make other than "You're a disgusting perverted degenerate" which was the same argument the patriarchy was making 100 years ago far more efficiently.

You can't make an ideology based on live and let live and be surprised when people start pushing it to its limit and doing stuff you don't like.

I don't think any ideology needs to or should be pushed to their extremes.

JBP used to preach that society needs a left and right that is constantly in opposition but working together to create a fair and balanced society, but the rightoids have royally fucked up now and let things go to hell.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Is it really? Norway is currently trying to put a lesbian in jail for tweeting that men can't get pregnant.

Scandinavia + The anglosphere are fucked admitedly, the closer you are the US the worse it tends to be.

JBP used to preach that society needs a left and right that is constantly in opposition but working together to create a fair and balanced society, but the rightoids have royally fucked up now and let things go to hell.

That's because (In the US at least) there is no right wing. There is "Left wing" and there is "Left wing 10 years ago".

The entire identity of the republican party is supporting whatever the democrats supported a decade ago and calling it "tradition", hence the classics:
And of course because the US is so influential this bleeds over to the rest of the world.

 

[Spangled Drongo]

I think this is fairly unfair, a lot of the current TERFs were not radfems when the groundwork for the current shitshow that is our society was laid.

Any woman today that doesn't want children groomed or see dicks in their changing rooms doesn't really have anyone other than TERFs to turn to, unless they want to go the even more retarded tradcath route.

Turning to terfs to rid society of troonism is like eating raw salt to quench your thrist.

Sexual/Gender liberation is what led to troons existing in the first place, you're not gonna fix a problem that is the result of abolition of traditional values by turning to a cult founded on dismantling traditional values.

I've always said a clear distinction needs to be made between the radical feminists who put lesbianism on a pedestal, demonise heterosexuality and for all intents and purposes are the exact same as the current far left except for their views on gender (Exulansic is the worst example of this - while she does good work calling out the insanity of gender ideology, I can't say I'd agree with much else she has to say about the world), and the normal women who just don't think humans can change sex and would rather not see a schlong in the changing room. Many are heterosexual, happy with their male partners and those who are mothers are in it because they don't want their kids indoctrinated. And it isn't necessarily because they're especially religious or old fashioned either.

So if gender critical groups want more influence and credibility - the female separatist types really ought to stop alienating women who might not agree with the radfem side of things.

 

[pork and beans]

I can't imagine a tradcath group going its "ok to cry in public" isn't that what soys are most mocked about?

I think as a whole this can be blamed on the decline of religion in the US. Null calls these men aimless/lost which I agree with but they're aimless because they have no community and they have no community because the primary source of it (religion) is all but dismantled, and all the secondary sources (usually hobbies with other men) have been destroyed in the name of inclusivity.

All the people fighting for secularism and atheism have never stopped to consider that in all of human history there has never been a single atheist society and try to work out why.

Its also why this problem is a lot less pronounced in europe.


Anything that involves abolition of gender roles will innevitably lead to trannies.

If you tell women they can be literally anything they want, you also have to tell the same thing to men and if you tell the same to men some of them will want to be women (And vice versa)

And that's the point where you don't have any strong arguments to make other than "You're a disgusting perverted degenerate" which was the same argument the patriarchy was making 100 years ago far more efficiently.

You can't make an ideology based on live and let live and be surprised when people start pushing it to its limit and doing stuff you don't like.

i think for many if not all terfs gender abolition just means 'boys can wear pink' and 'girls can play football', not 'you can as a teacher wear gigantic fake boobs to class'. its exactly why many terfs say that troonism and gender abolition are opposites, because you can be whatever you want and yet your biological sex will never change.

i do agree though that gender abolition is retarded. some gender roles have a biological reason behind them and men and women are different and not only that is ok it is stupid to pretend otherwise.

 

[Dylan]

How many times you retards need to be told that whole feminist ideology takes its roots from female narcissism, they create their theories and studies as a justification for their hatred of men and demands of preferential treatment. They will never learn, they are incapable of learning, to learn one needs to admit they were wrong and change their attitude, no femoid will ever do that, they are too stuck up their stinkditches.

 

[Hannibalistique]

How many times you retards need to be told that whole feminist ideology takes its roots from female narcissism, they create their theories and studies as a justification for their hatred of men and demands of preferential treatment. They will never learn, they are incapable of learning, to learn one needs to admit they were wrong and change their attitude, no femoid will ever do that, they are too stuck up their stinkditches.

Go back to your gay mexican, retard, and tell him to stop chanting rape everytime he sees a female.

The whole point is that half the population is female, so you need to offer them a group and ideology that's not "all girls have npd and bpd".

 

[Oilspill Battery]

i think for many if not all terfs gender abolition just means 'boys can wear pink' and 'girls can play football', not 'you can as a teacher wear gigantic fake boobs to class'. its exactly why many terfs say that troonism and gender abolition are opposites, because you can be whatever you want and yet your biological sex will never change.

Ok, but hence the question "If I want to try, what right do you have to stop me?"

If make an ideology based on "Telling people they can't do things is mean" you're gonna have to deal with people doing things you don't like.

Go back to your gay mexican, retard, and tell him to stop chanting rape everytime he sees a female.

The whole point is that half the population is female, so you need to offer them a group and ideology that's not "all girls have npd and bpd".

The left already did offer them an alternative ideology, they took it, and now that they got their way they're complaining that trannies are everywhere. You can either have your cake or eat it, not both, that's where the bpd/npd meme comes from.

 

[Hannibalistique]

The left already did offer them an alternative ideology, they took it, and now that they got their way they're complaining that trannies are everywhere. You can either have your cake or eat it, not both, that's where the bpd/npd meme comes from.

I'm not sure I follow you, I mentioned NPD/BPD because the groyper said all feminism is just narcissism.

And the point is to offer them an alternative to radical feminism, if you don't like radical feminism for some reason.

 

[pork and beans]

Ok, but hence the question "If I want to try, what right do you have to stop me?"

If make an ideology based on "Telling people they can't do things is mean" you're gonna have to deal with people doing things you don't like.

The left already did offer them an alternative ideology, they took it, and now that they got their way they're complaining that trannies are everywhere. You can either have your cake or eat it, not both, that's where the bpd/npd meme comes from.

eh, good point. fair enough

 

[Kujo Jotaro]

It seems to me everyone is forgetting that 99% of the population doesn't participate in edrama or epolitics, especially not of the variety that's getting ranted about. Most women aren't going to turn to the terfs because most women aren't terminally online cat ladies with an underlying seething hatred of men; likewise most men arent going to attempt to revive paganism because coom?(seriously not sure where josh was going with that one, the pagan larp shit is beyond retarded, but I've never gotten the impression that their underlying motivations were about raping women, but go off to your feminist slam poetry audience jersh!) Because most men aren't terminally online pagan larpers or whatever.

I've yet to meet a woman in real life who I could even vaguely picture proclaiming themselves a terf. That's not to say I've never met a woman who opposes tranny nonsense, quite to the contrary I would say most women in my life find it ridiculous, and many find it outright degenerate. You wanna know what else? A lot of these women are religious (hold the gasps!) Larpers and online caricatures aren't the real deal, shocking proclamation I know.

Me thinks the individuals ranting about how the wamens only have the saving Grace's of the Terf sisterhood to turn to should take a break from screens.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

I'm not sure I follow you, I mentioned NPD/BPD because the groyper said all feminism is just narcissism.

Yes that's the joke. Feminism got what it wanted and now its bitching about it, proving the narcissism point right.

And the point is to offer them an alternative to radical feminism,

The alternative already exists and has existed for a couple thousand years.

if you don't like radical feminism for some reason.

I like the implication that not liking radical feminism is some bizzare unreasonable position.

 

[EverlyB]

They're both awful. We can multitask.

 

[Dylan]

Well, at the current state of affairs, caring about indecent exposure of a deranged terf would be the same as being concerned about electricity bill while your house is on fire.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Well, at the current state of affairs, caring about indecent exposure of a deranged terf would be the same as being concerned about electricity bill while your house is on fire.

Yep. I don't WANT to see that shit. But compared to sex offenders swinging their dicks at little girls, I really don't give a shit either.

 

[Beating_Women]

 

[Fapcop]

Turning to terfs to rid society of troonism is like eating raw salt to quench your thrist.

Sexual/Gender liberation is what led to troons existing in the first place, you're not gonna fix a problem that is the result of abolition of traditional values by turning to a cult founded on dismantling traditional values.

Yup. Just as an example: Who was it that originally dismantled single sex spaces?

Feminists. Who couldn’t stand the thought of men having a male only country club or whatever.

And when pervy men started to do the same shit to get access to the TERFs lesbian tree forts, THATS when it became a huuuge problem.

Don’t get me wrong, I’ll take the side of feminists over sex crazed weirdos any day of the week. But ultimately you can’t fight crazy with crazy, and TERFs are just as wacky as troons.

 

[Dylan]

Terfs and feninists in general are so deranged, so egoistic, so self-centered, they have ability to cooperate of an autistic toddler, they can't even be useful idiots in this context.