Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

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Two more people in my online circles have come out as trans. Both of them were fairly autistic, nerdy guys but neither of them ever showed any indication of being anything other than "cis." Is there any research about the rate of people 'coming out' as trans and whether it's increasing or static? Because it feels like it's increasing. What's said is that both of these guys are (or were, in one case now) married.
 
Is there any research about the rate of people 'coming out' as trans and whether it's increasing or static?
There kind of is, but all it usually hovering around 5% LGBT and roughly 2% trans. And there isn't really any long-term research, yet; because the rainbow census is an relatively new practice.
 
There kind of is, but all it usually hovering around 5% LGBT and roughly 2% trans. And there isn't really any long-term research, yet; because the rainbow census is an relatively new practice.
I recall the figure being 5% are some sort of gay, and below 1% trans. With the advent of whateverqueer and enbies I suppose it is going up
 
I recall the figure being 5% are some sort of gay, and below 1% trans. With the advent of whateverqueer and enbies I suppose it is going up
I feel like there are more people coming out than in previous generations since tolerance is higher now, but also more people being groomed (whether by pornography, society, or their creepy uncles) into the whole trans ideology. There were HSTS'es in our parents' generations, but you were lucky to find maybe one within an 8 year age range. Now it's like a quarter of every graduating class is identifying as some bullshit. I would bet there's still that one in the entire school for 3 graduation cycles that's genuinely trans in the way it used to be considered, where it's a SSA person who hates their body to the point of surgical intervention, but now they have an army of trend-following tiktokkers beside them who want to cut their tits off because it makes their opinions more valuable on the internet.
 
Is there any research about the rate of people 'coming out' as trans and whether it's increasing or static? Because it feels like it's increasing. What's said is that both of these guys are (or were, in one case now) married.

There are some semi recent ones, apparently both men and women are tooning out more (unsurprising) but the ftm rate has been much higher in recent years. It uses to be that mtf outnumbered ftms by a lot but now with increased rates of women seeking gender affirming treatment its closer to fifty fifty.
 
There are some semi recent ones, apparently both men and women are tooning out more (unsurprising) but the ftm rate has been much higher in recent years. It uses to be that mtf outnumbered ftms by a lot but now with increased rates of women seeking gender affirming treatment its closer to fifty fifty.
The number of girls "treated" at tavistock massively outweighed the number of boys, towards the end of its existence. This is probably why it finally got shut down.
 
I found one of my former classmates on a dating app. She's now an enby who goes by "Hugo" and wants a poly relationship.

She used to be a tomboy with ginger hair, but that's shaven off and dyed. It makes me wonder how many other people have fallen victim to this. (:_(
Jesus fuck that is the worst kind of person to troon out. Do you know how rare red-haired tomboys are, and just how valuable they are? To lose one to troonery is an unforgivable atrocity!
 
This shitshow went down over two years ago at this point but fuck it. (Ex) Boyfriend trooned out. I tried to make it work, it didn't, and now he goes around saying I'm a transphobe because I couldn't handle his abuse any longer.

Firstly, context. Let's call this person Sam. Me and him met in middle school and instantly became best friends. He had to move away eventually, but we still kept in touch. Six years after our first meeting, we start dating in senior year of high school and our relationship lasted roughly 5 years before I decided to break it off.

Sam is a shy and nerdy dude. He's a nice guy and he's hilarious when he's around people he's comfortable with, though he lets his interests get to his head, and we got along amazingly well through the duration of our friendship and majority of our relationship. The main issue with him was his family, arguably the thing that caused him to seek company in shady places online and eventually troon out. Redneck parents, very neglectful and low-key abusive. Sam would often have panic attacks for the smallest things and was scared of objecting to any authority figure thanks to them. When we eventually moved out together though, he was making strides towards recovery and was well on his way to becoming a more functional member of society. He didn't go to college but I convinced him to take a few online courses and he even got a job later down the line.

So what was the trigger? Well, Sam is a lonely person. He had me obviously, but I've always encouraged him to put himself out there and find new friends. Even before moving in with me he only had two friends he could trust, and he lost touch with them after that because of his poor social skills. I tried my best to help him with that, but eventually I gave in and recommended therapy to him. One thing led to another and he eventually started talking to some folks in an online therapy group thing. I don't quite remember the details of it but it really doesn't matter to the overall story. What does matter is that it's through this group that he meet this transgender MtF. Up until this point I had been fairly supportive of the transgender movement, even though I had started breaking away from the grooming right around that time, so I wasn't suspicious or anything. If they were friends and on cool terms, it wasn't my business and I especially didn't want to mess with his trauma by being a controlling partner.

God. What a fucking mistake that was. This MtF, who called themselves Victoria, essentially ropes Sam into the gender ideology by convincing him that all of his flaws could be fixed by chopping off his dick and putting on a wig. He's weak-willed, so he gives in. Two months after meeting this troon, he tells me he wants to be called the feminine equivalent of his name and that he wants to go on HRT and transition socially. The news shocked me, but I loved Sam and I wanted them to be happy. So I tried to be supportive. I really, really tried- looked up resource with him, went along to his appointments, helped him pick out outfits because he was a fucking mess with fashion. I wanted to be a good partner and he was the person I loved at the time, so even though I wasn't entirely comfortable I wanted to give the whole thing a shot. Worst case scenario we break up but stay friends. Right?

Well, no. Sam starts spending more and more time in these new genderspecial chats (the full extent of this is something I would find out much later) and hanging around these weirdos. He starts to change in new ways, he's more outspoken and makes a lot more self-deprecating jokes. It was kind of funny at first, until the jokes and his humor shifted towards making fun of cisgender women. You know. Real women with vaginas. The ones they wanted to be so bad. It keeps getting worse and worse, until his whole personality shifts to "Gender!" misogyny jokes. It was around this time I started getting uncomfortable, but my concerns were always swept under a rug or I'd be yelled at by him.

I eventually broke things off because I couldn't get along with him anymore and he reacted by hurling insults at me and hitting me. When I called the police on him, he tried to flip the whole thing around and say it was I who abused him but of course they didn't believe him. I kicked him out the very same night while he was in jail (he got out on bail two days later) and ever since then I've had to keep multiple locks on my door because this motherfucker still tries to come over every now and then to screech at me. I've kept tabs on him on social media and now he goes by "Luxuria" and identifies as a "transfeminine lesbian" and uses weird ass pronouns. I'm still recovering from being backstabbed by someone I loved and supported for over ten years of my life but I'M the transphobe for asking for basic human decency.

Fuck you, and fuck your shitty pronouns and fuck your groomer groupchats. You will never be a woman.
 
I've kept tabs on him on social media and now he goes by "Luxuria" and identifies as a "transfeminine lesbian" and uses weird ass pronouns. I'm still recovering from being backstabbed by someone I loved and supported for over ten years of my life but I'M the transphobe for asking for basic human decency.

Fuck you, and fuck your shitty pronouns and fuck your groomer groupchats. You will never be a woman.
They never pick a normal name no matter FTM or MTF, I'm increasingly convinced its just part of the weirdness of it. They want it to be obvious enough it can't be mistaken just from the name itself without seeing them.

I'm really sorry to hear this shit is happening but just try to remember you're much better off now that the infection is cut out.
 
Sigh..

It's a bit late to document my entire situation, but I suppose it's finally over for me and my FtM ex. I was trooning out myself when I met her so it didn't seem like a big deal. Obviously I've changed greatly over the last two years. I felt a little bad for leading her on for so long, but I love her a lot and it hurts to see her go (and on the shallower side, she's fantastically hot as a woman). I could still keep her as a fuckbuddy, but I reckon the T will turn me off of her soon enough anyway. I still hope she gives up this path in life before she tops herself over it, for her own benefit at the very least. She comes to me sobbing saying that she feels like nobody will love her when she poons and I haven't the heart to tell her that's exactly her current situation.
It's sad too that you can see transparently that her choice to transition is a result of trauma. She's so afraid of being a woman.
I pray for her.
 
And that they're essentially trading everything that they had for a new brand of verbal abuse
Op thought she could just maintain her particular social privileges and also take on male social privileges, and live some sort of life of ease and wonder like in her yaoi fanfics. She claims she looked up to Norah Vincent and yet completely missed the point of the story. I used to empathise a little with people like this, but then they would keep turning their experience into a "this is why men are bad and I'm going to change all men and toxic masculinity" bullshit, as if they're participating in some sort of collective "fixing the bad boy" fantasy.
 
Op thought she could just maintain her particular social privileges and also take on male social privileges, and live some sort of life of ease and wonder like in her yaoi fanfics. She claims she looked up to Norah Vincent and yet completely missed the point of the story. I used to empathise a little with people like this, but then they would keep turning their experience into a "this is why men are bad and I'm going to change all men and toxic masculinity" bullshit, as if they're participating in some sort of collective "fixing the bad boy" fantasy.
Oh hey, it just clicked for me who Norah Vincent is. I've got her book sitting in a box somewhere but I haven't read it yet. I need to finish moving house first. I didn't know she'd died. And she committed assisted suicide at only 53. That's really sad.
 
Funny how those traits are a running theme in a lot of the stories in this thread. I can't help but wonder if there's a connection.
Wasn't that one of the things that came out of the whole Tavistock scandal? That a fuckton of people referred for trooning were autistic and were likely groomed into it or something?
I can very much imagine a lot of current day autistic people on the net who're just looking for "some place to fit in" would be much more likely to get groomed for trooning out than normal people, because the whole "fit in with the group/society" is harder for them making them more vulnerable for grooming, and they might well be unable to understand what's right and what's bullshit grooming compared to normal people.
 
I love her a lot and it hurts to see her go (and on the shallower side, she's fantastically hot as a woman). I could still keep her as a fuckbuddy, but I reckon the T will turn me off of her soon enough anyway. I still hope she gives up this path in life before she tops herself over it, for her own benefit at the very least. She comes to me sobbing saying that she feels like nobody will love her when she poons and I haven't the heart to tell her that's exactly her current situation.
If you do still love her and worry about her safety, maybe you should tell her, since she's bringing it up already. Not some huge manifesto or sending her links to videos, just agreeing that yeah, it's true that the dating world is very different when you're not a hot woman, it sounds like she's aware of what she's about to do, but since it's distressing her so much maybe she could try looking for help first about her past trauma so she's stable for this new big change.

If you can't tell her she's slapping the trans band-aid over a different issue, you can at least remind her tangentially that it's really obvious to outsiders. Talk therapy is biased to "affirm" these days so even if she picks a therapist it's not going to fix everything, but you can plant the seed that this is a true emotional reaction to pain, but it's being channeled in a nonproductive way that will ultimately hurt her more.

You're gone already and she's going; all this will do is close the "fuckbuddy" door, but you'll know that at least you tried.
 
Sigh..

It's a bit late to document my entire situation, but I suppose it's finally over for me and my FtM ex. I was trooning out myself when I met her so it didn't seem like a big deal. Obviously I've changed greatly over the last two years. I felt a little bad for leading her on for so long, but I love her a lot and it hurts to see her go (and on the shallower side, she's fantastically hot as a woman). I could still keep her as a fuckbuddy, but I reckon the T will turn me off of her soon enough anyway. I still hope she gives up this path in life before she tops herself over it, for her own benefit at the very least. She comes to me sobbing saying that she feels like nobody will love her when she poons and I haven't the heart to tell her that's exactly her current situation.
It's sad too that you can see transparently that her choice to transition is a result of trauma. She's so afraid of being a woman.
I pray for her.

Gotta agree with Aunt Carol here.

The decent thing to do, would definitely be to give her the truth, no matter how painful it’ll be.

She will not find love, because to any normal person looking for a partner, “I changed my gender” is a screaming red flag saying “CRAZY!”

She will not find sex either, because men like women to look like women, gay women like women to look like women, and gay men like men. She will be a weird in between kinda person, unable to attract people and unable to please them.

She MIGHT be able to find chasers, people so deep in a coom-addiction that they’ll fuck anything. And who will consider a “Yeah, sure you’re a man!” A small price to pay for getting their dick sucked.


EDIT: If you want to break the truth to her but don’t know how, show her the “would you fuck a tranny?” Statistic.

The survey they did where something like 98% of heterosexual folks went “Fuck no!” And even the vast majority of queer people noped the F outta there.
 
She will not find sex either, because men like women to look like women, gay women like women to look like women, and gay men like men. She will be a weird in between kinda person, unable to attract people and unable to please them.
Yeah, that's exactly what she's voicing. I'll certainly make myself heard too.

Appreciate the advice.
 
Yeah, that's exactly what she's voicing. I'll certainly make myself heard too.

Appreciate the advice.

Considering she still has enough common sense left to voice these things, all hope may not be lost.

Yeah, I know she’s likely just saying it to hear a “Nooo!!! Plenty of women are looking for an androgynous partner with a rotdog!”. But still.

Best of luck!
 
Considering she still has enough common sense left to voice these things, all hope may not be lost.

Yeah, I know she’s likely just saying it to hear a “Nooo!!! Plenty of women are looking for an androgynous partner with a rotdog!”. But still.
If she's ambivalent as it sounds, maybe she should just put a pin in the testosterone for later, get a short haircut and some boxy shirts and give the man thing a test drive. Pick up a Feeldoe and go cruising for bi dudes who like a girl with problems. Or lesbians! If she has the trauma-induced need for constant chaos in her personal life, getting into younger lesbian circles should scratch that itch.
 
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