Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

he US began to believe it's own bullshit about Russia being weak so it used Ukraine to fuck around and is now finding out.

The only thing the west found out, whilst fucking around, was that they overestimated Russia’s military power.

 

[TrulyMan]

I don't even need to refute this false narrative mindless probably picked up from some Beltway stooge but I quoted it just you all can see what he thinks is true and honest historical fact (it's not, its revisionist bullshit).

This is actually not far from the truth, but he fails to understand had the US not interfered, fomented a coup and began making plans to admit Ukraine to NATO Russia would not have given a shit and the salo factory would be making bank right now as Mykola went about his business. The US began to believe it's own bullshit about Russia being weak so it used Ukraine to fuck around and is now finding out.

Spoiler: inconvenient truth

Wars expose a nation's weaknesses, and the USA is not exempt from this rule. In a way, Russians, being realistic about their country and its leaders, just do their best so they're coping better but Americans act like we didn't just scramble to leave Afghanistan and Iraq after 20 years of pointless deaths and destruction so it will be a while before we learn to do same.

Beltway stooge, that's quite a quip I must admit.
Like you have some class, but it's obviously wasted getting mad at people over a fight you at best have some imaginary dog in .
You thought I was MATI for pointing out how two jackasses are fighting over something as basic as who was premier when which takes like a google query. But here you're saying the guy is a "revisionist" and a "stooge" for what, stating that Ukraine wanted to preserve the Soviet Union in the 90s? Or that they were schizos for wanting it, I dont get it.

That whole story is by my best account not clear cut at all, so do enlighten us how its so "obvious" that you don't even need to refer to it. Not that I can't even begin to understand how a Ukraine wanting to remain in the USSR would be somehow undermining your russophilic position.

 

[mindlessobserver]

What the living fuck are you on about? This isn't the economics discussion wankfest.
Here's a thing for you. My gas bill in Kiev was just over $150 a month during the peak of winter when it was -20 outside; double what it was the year before. The average salary for a typical Ukranian was around $400-ish. The UAH was in freefall so people's savings had pretty much vanished, and places like Privatbank were offering 19% interest rates for fixed term savings accounts (9% for EUR).
you can jerk off to MMT and shock doctraine economics, but it doesn't change the fact of the matter that the EU/IMF deal was dogshit, whereas the Russian one at the time was much better.


What planet are you on? Ukraine held a referendum on independence in 1991, with 90% voting for independence from the USSR. Before that Ukraine declared independence in a movement that had been brewing for a few year.

By 'narrowly' you mean 94% in the 1991 referendum right? or are you mixing up Russia and the USSR again?

Quoted the rest just incase anyone else was in doubt that you're a fucking idiot who should have been aborted.

I'm not entirely sure what the issue is. Either your parents didn't hug you enough as a child or else you never learned how to read. I said the Ukrainian referendums came AFTER yeltsin began moving Russia out of the USSR, so preserving the Soviet Union became a moot point. I also said referendums in each PROVINCE not the entire aggregation of the nation itself.

It's okay though fren, Jesus still loves you and I am glad you weren't aborted.

 

[Glowie]

Russian anti-draft protesters being ordered to enlist, rights group says.

Ngl that's based. This is a Reuters article from September 2022, when mobilization began, states that "Under Russian law, police have the power to stop people who are thought to be evading mobilisation". As I am sure you are aware, it ended in October 2022.

The article you link to does not state that. It states "Russia Forced to Address New Draft Rumors for Planned Ukraine Offensive" with a weasel subtext of "Ahead of a reported late-winter offensive, the Kremlin offered carefully crafted language that didn’t deny reports it plans to draft 500,000 new soldiers and press them into service." What Peskov said was “There are many provocative messages on social media” during a call with reporters and urged the public to “rely on information coming from the Defense Ministry and the president and not to pay attention” to those who claim something different.

Like you, I suppose.

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Four month old article, and yes, Americans fled to Canada and Mexico when we had a draft, and again, were arrested by the FBI. This is less news than it is sensationalism. Also, africanews, great source of hard hitting journalism about Eastern Europe, kek

Yet Russia isn't sending the FSB to roam the streets and grab men to conscript like the Ukrainian SBU has been filmed doing hundreds of times; Ukrainians post on social media to tell males where the SBU is so they can avoid getting conscripted.

Rich people grease palms to get their way, more news at 11. Yawn.

Same shit happened here, and will happen again if we have a draft.

From the link you posted:

Soledar had already been captured and Wagner were mopping up when this article was posted. This is literally "believe whatever Kiev says, goy!" despite concrete evidence to the contrary.

Never happened.

You've proven you're a shill posting months old articles and then claiming its fresh and ongoing news. You are, in fact, a disingenuous shill-you think we can't click your links and read them ourselves? I mean this may work in the Saloreich but we ain't there, son. Also, this seems like an AI generated this post, with the reddit spacing as well.

You admitted being American just now, huh. Not really surprising

Articles being months old does not mean that it's invalidated when the policies is in effects in the first place.
Multiple instances in first place
Moreover Sergei announced to increase russian army in Duma last December when Russia month ago.

You live nowhere near here and don't see what is happening in border cities, mobile enlistment stations. Baltics, Finland and others blocked all Russian visas and entering their countries. Checkpoint near Murmansk the Norway-Finland border in particular is chocked with Russian refugees that try to escape in masse and get turned back often greeted with mobile enlistment station in Russian stations.

Practices and policies do not change after 4 months They're still relevant and they're still in place

Footage from Duma and Sergei Shoigu announcing this plan three weeks ago.
It did happen, believe it or not.
Inb4 Ukraine source

Only countries that got in refugees from Russia that escapee draft

Borders were closed, according to you, but 700000 people left? Huh.
As today there is absolutely no info on preventing any Russian on leaving the country for any reason.

Putin didn't foresee the massive exodus when partial mobilisation started

This was before Sergei and Putin started more draconian and totalitarian mobile draft, mobile mobilization stations near border countries unlike now. Gee why would that be and why Duma doesn't want another exodus and brain drain that dented economy, military and population demographics.

Boys at Duma not to announce shit and keep conscripting Russians, letters, visits and all.

Russian who fled, majority won't return to Russia.

Kremlin made second mass exodus impossible to occur and vet all adult men at borders. Right now with enlistment stations and mandatory 'contracts' that send mopiks worst possible places on front line after two weeks of training.
Since russian economy is shit, broke middle class can't afford to live, much less attempt to leave.

If you're stuck in Russia, you're screwed.
Russia sent literal cannon fodder to Ukraine like this

 

[White_N]

Mobilization didn't end in first place, there's constant supply of Mobiks sent to front lines every single day.

How do you manage to get everything wrong?

September 21 Putin announces partial mobilization in Russia - October 28 Shoigu reported to Putin on the completion of mobilization

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By the way, it's already the seventeenth of January; you missed your deadline; where is the documentation about the beginning of a new mobilization?

 

[CaptainAutism69]

I do not find any economic theory particulary arousing but thank you for your concern.

The issue is that you might pay less, maybe only 50 bucks a month. But if the price in reality is at the 150 bucks a month, the difference is not coming out of thin air. It is paid by the government. The same government has to get the money from somewhere. So it can raise taxes, cut cost or take on debt.
This is not something complicated. It also makes energy saving mechanisms less attractive. Triple glazed windows? Nah it takes 10 years to amortize the costs. With double the price it's 5 years and there is cost mitigation potential.

And it seems to have been rather expensive.
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Saying that removing that is a bad thing is just weird to me, because continuing like that will lead to the abyss at some point. Just saying.

But I can let it stand to agree to disagree if the economic aspect of this particular matter is too thread derailing.

But a subsidy is in part a redistribution of wealth, the (in theory) taxes paid by the wealthy, mean that the poorer are able to have a better quality of life. Gas basically doubled in price in the years after Maidain, and Electricity went through a four-fold increase. My friends would literally pay 50% of their salary on rent, 25% on bills, and the rest was not really enough to get by on, so that's where the grey economy kicks in. Life in Ukraine sucked before 2014, and it sucked more afterwards. Doesn't change the fact of the matter that the EU/IMF deal was not a good one compared to the free cash from Russia.

 

[TrulyMan]

You admitted being American just now, huh. Not really surprising'

@Glowie
S(he?) has "admitted" to being an American plenty of times with various explanations as to why they're interested in Russia and I think even speak Russian or something like this. Don't pull that "you dont live here" shit please. Everyone discuss everything and living in or close to a war zone where you're being spoonfed propaganda each day while being personally affected by various events isn't really making you a much better candidate for objectivity either. Though it's a pleasure having you here to give your side of the story.
Please don't take this as a criticism of your post in general. It's a fine contribution and gives a glimpse into the stresses on civil life and society put on by this horrible war.
I'm sure there are people on both sides, those that support the efforts and those that are ashamed of it or simply want to save their own lives and families from the horrors of being drafted and losing their lives/husbands/brothers.

 

[Glowie]

How do you manage to get everything wrong?

September 21 Putin announces partial mobilization in Russia - October 28 Shoigu reported to Putin on the completion of mobilization

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By the way, it's already the seventeenth of January; you missed your deadline; where is the documentation about the beginning of a new mobilization?

Funny how people get arrested for refusing draft that isn't happening.

You don't live in Russia or nowhere there. You wouldn't notice the pattern and ongoing draft.

Defense ministry would be utterly retarded if they announced and repeat what happened before.

People attempt to flee or hide even now, funny that.

 

[BaldAndMorallyBankrupt]

So who's winning?

 

[TrulyMan]

Funny how people get arrested for refusing draft that isn't happening.
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You don't live in Russia or nowhere there. You wouldn't notice the pattern and ongoing draft.

Defense ministry would be utterly retarded if they announced and repeat what happened before.

People attempt to flee or hide even now, funny that.

Same thing happening in Ukraine Id imagine and from what I've seen. This war is costing a lot more lives than any side is willing to admit and I think most Euros and Gringos are in the dark about the true human cost here, especially though those very rabidly supporting Ukraine in everything it does. The elites in the Baltics and in the US/UK have literally sabotaged peace processes and encouraged Zelinsky to abandon them.

 

[TheDarknessGrows]

So who's winning?

I am.

 

[JambledUpWords]

So who's winning?

Raytheon. Invest in arms manufacturing stocks to siphon money off elites

 

[Honeybadger v2]

Putin didn't foresee the massive exodus when partial mobilisation started

You sure about that?
And after people started leaving they just did nothing for a long time and then did most half-assed measures possible. And now no one had troubles leaving Russia for a long time.
Surely a sign of panic, huh.

Gee why would that be and why Duma doesn't want another exodus and brain drain that dented economy, military and population demographics.

They don't do anything to prevent that.

Russian who fled, majority won't return to Russia.

Who knows? Many people have returned, since they basically ran away with nothing to nowhere.
It's a sane move, though, to stay away from Russia from now. Politics don't care about lives of mobilized people and do dumb shit.

broke middle class can't afford to live,

You know, nothing has changed much for a simple Russian in terms of living. For me, only noticeable economical change is that i can't buy games anymore. Prices were getting higher before, and really hadn't sharply changed.
I am tired, frankly, to wait for the economical collapse. First it was March, then May, then autumn, now it's always the next month.


You still haven't proved that borders are closed, though.
Edit: you know the fun thing? Some people who were not allowed to leave in September, left after the formal end of mobilisation with no troubles at all.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Saving Russian lives and sticking it to the west were always the excuses. This would have been the result even if the USA and EU hadn't starting mucking around in Ukraine. It just would have happened less violently and through a perfectly legit referendum like the ones held last year where 98% of the population agreed to annexation.

98 percent? In the US, that's the kind of numbers that brings up accusations of border fraud.

Also, I don't think "sticking it to the west" was ever used as an excuse. That's just been online circles projercting their wish fulfillment onto Putin because they'd love to physically remove their enemies by force, be it removing unpopular leaders or deporting migrants.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

You admitted being American just now, huh. Not really surprising

That is not, and has never been a secret, shill. It proves you don't even read the posts here.

Articles being months old does not mean that it's invalidated when the policies is in effects in the first place.

Nigger you claim Russia is closing the borders and mobilizing right now, and arresting anyone leaving, and when asked for proof, you post shill articles that refer to events that took place in September 2022 and ended October 2022. Don't get coy.

You live nowhere near here

Don't care but had it been up to me not only would Ukraine not seen a single US penny from me, I'd make their skeevy politicians pay back everything glowniggers slipped them under the table, with interest or have them black bagged and thrown into a dungeon at Guantanamo until they do. Fuck Ukraine, I hope it gets glassed, the sooner the better. Niggers like you act like the possibility of this escalating into a region wide and world-wide nuclear exchange doesn't exist. It does.

That whole story is by my best account not clear cut at all, so do enlighten us how its so "obvious" that you don't even need to refer to it. Not that I can't even begin to understand how a Ukraine wanting to remain in the USSR would be somehow undermining your russophilic position.

The idea Ukraine wanted to remain part of the USSR stems from the first referendum where most of the SSRs voted to remain, including Ukraine; however, and this is important to understand in light of the current goings on, the majority in Lvov, Ivano-Frankovsk and Ternopol; that is Western Ukraine, the mostly Catholic and Ukrainian speaking part of Ukraine, voted against it. The New Union Treaty was not signed as a result of the attempted coup against Gorbachev, so that referendum was null and void, and many of the SSRs declared their independence very soon afterward, including Ukraine.

So yes, it's clear when you know the history of the USSR and when and how the break-up came about. It is not clear if your sole source of information on historical events is PBS, reddit, 4chan, Twitter, or Tik Tok. Also, knowledge of historical events, especially when they are having a direct impact on you, your economy and nation's stability, is not Russophillia, it's common sense.

 

[TrulyMan]

The idea Ukraine wanted to remain part of the USSR stems from the first referendum where most of the SSRs voted to remain, including Ukraine; however, and this is important to understand in light of the current goings on, the majority in Lvov, Ivano-Frankovsk and Ternopol; that is Western Ukraine, the mostly Catholic and Ukrainian speaking part of Ukraine, voted against it. The New Union Treaty was not signed as a result of the attempted coup against Gorbachev, so that referendum was null and void, and many of the SSRs declared their independence very soon afterward, including Ukraine.

So yes, it's clear when you know the history of the USSR and when and how the break-up came about. It is not clear if your sole source of information on historical events is PBS, reddit, 4chan, Twitter, or Tik Tok. Also, knowledge of historical events, especially when they are having a direct impact on you, your economy and nation's stability, is not Russophillia, it's common sense.

So he's literally correct, except as with all things there is nuance to it. Yet you call him a shill and a revisionist. Gorby stirred enough shit to get the oldschoolers pissed off and they messed up their one good chance both at a coup and at not doing a coup and actually keeping a semblance of the Soviet Union and socialism intact.

And the wheels of history turn, as they did in the Ukraine.
You can't just be calling people shills, stooges and revisionists left right and center, especially after a post like this.
I mean you can, but you just denigrate yourself and appeal to idiots like 102 who are of the lowest fucking caliber, not unlike the "hohol" trolls you despise in the thread.

Like Glowie here, who is he figuratively (let alone actually) shilling for? He's just a Russian (maybe Ukranian who knows) with a different opinion of yours. He's explaining that things are being done on the low low. Its up to you to believe him or not. But there wouldn't really be evidence in the open and if its been done in the past why not again? Look at whats being done in Ukraine, they are catching people at the border too. If its not happening yet in Russia it will happen soon enough.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

So he's literally correct, except as with all things there is nuance to it. Yet you call him a shill and a revisionist. Gorby stirred enough shit to get the oldschoolers pissed off and they messed up their one good chance both at a coup and at not doing a coup and actually keeping a semblance of the Soviet Union and socialism intact.

And the wheels of history turn, as they did in the Ukraine.
You can't just be calling people shills, stooges and revisionists left right and center, especially after a post like this.
I mean you can, but you just denigrate yourself and appeal to idiots like 102 who are of the lowest fucking caliber, not unlike the "hohol" trolls you despise in the thread.

Like Glowie here, who is he figuratively (let alone actually) shilling for? He's just a Russian with a different opinion of yours. He's explaining that things are being done on the low low. Its up to you to believe him or not. But there wouldn't really be evidence in the open and if its been done in the past why not again? Look at whats being done in Ukraine, they are catching people at the border too. If its not happening yet in Russia it will happen soon enough.>

>Liberashka General-Secretary of All Commies decides its time for USSR no longer be a nation of commies
>Puts it to a vote
>Majority of holhols vote to stay in the USSR
>USSR vanishes, poof
>???
>Declare independence and become Holholstan

Is this easier to understand?

 

[IKOL]

You don't live in Russia or nowhere there. You wouldn't notice the pattern and ongoing draft.

Neither are you. So please, for your own sake, shut the fuck up and cease spreading embarassing bullshit. Not even ЦИПсО fags are that much retarded as your constant fecalfall.

You know, nothing has changed much for a simple Russian in terms of living.

Shush. Don't tell him that, let this faggot think we're starving, lol.

Edit: I forgot to include this, oops. Bradley ttraining. Prepare for kino of saloreich illiteracy.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

But there wouldn't really be evidence in the open and if its been done in the past why not again?

Russia failed to take Kiev by storm at the beginning of the campaign, failed to predict the scope support Ukraine would get from the US and the EU, failed to protect its naval assets, failed to keep Kherson, failed at banning Twitter, Facebook and Kiwi Farms, failed in hundreds of big and little ways the Ukrainean supporters are usually so very eager to point out - but is suddenly a 100% effective mastermind at hiding evidence of making people vanish by tens of thousands, so good at it not even their relatives, children and co-workers notice.

Please.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

Funny how people get arrested for refusing draft that isn't happening.
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You don't live in Russia or nowhere there. You wouldn't notice the pattern and ongoing draft.

Defense ministry would be utterly retarded if they announced and repeat what happened before.

People attempt to flee or hide even now, funny that.

That's the 25th of March 2022, not the 15th of Jan as you previously claimed.