Disaster ‘Velma’ Is So Bad It's Spawned Psyop Conspiracy Theories

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‘Velma’ Is So Bad It's Spawned Psyop Conspiracy Theories​

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Velma
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Yesterday, HBO Max bragged that Velma, the new adult-rated Scooby Doo cartoon, was its most-viewed animated premiere ever. I’m not sure precisely what that says, given that the only other Max original animated series I can even think of is Harley Quinn, plus a bunch of other older series that WB Discovery recently murdered.


But people are certainly talking about Velma, that much is true. Just…not very positively. Velma currently has the lowest audience score I’ve seen for an HBO or HBO Max production, a 7%. To get that low requires not just “review bombing” but your show also likely has to be…genuinely bad.

And it is. Velma is very, very bad.

Velma is so bad in fact, that it’s spawning conspiracy theories that creator Mindy Kaling made what is essentially a parody of what the right wing thinks left wing comedy is like. As in, a show that not just recast most roles with new races, but also features loads and loads of “white guys, amiright?” jokes. The idea is that Kaling is a secretly conservative force in media trying to make the left look bad by making a cringey adult cartoon full of “this rich white guy has a small dong” jokes that the right can point at as everything wrong with race-recasted, social justice-influenced media.


I do not want to go down a big rabbit hole about Mindy Kaling’s personal beliefs and influences here. And yet if that wasn’t the intent of the show, it sure feels like it in practice. On one side, it absolutely is working to spark mockery from the right, exactly as you might imagine it would. But on the other, it’s just not defensible at all by those who would normally welcome a progressive series.


Take She-Hulk for example. That was a hugely controversial show where it was very explicit about roasting misogynistic comic fans, perhaps often lacking in subtlety. But I would still very much defend that show, as I think its humor and fourth-wall breaking works, and most of the people who were upset about it are the very people that it’s overtly making fun of…for being upset about it.

Velma is not that. Velma is not defensible by any stretch of the imagination. It’s just bad. Making progressive jokes is fine so long as the jokes are good. They are not good. I heard the show described somewhere as a series written by TV writers who only ever talk to other TV writers. That’s a pretty good summary. And the idea here is that it’s so, so bad at landing its jabs at right wingers that it almost feels like self-sabotage.

There is a world in which this concept might have worked. I can see an “adult” Scooby Doo series where you have an overlooked Velma attempting to claw back credit from a privileged Fred, the “leader” of the gang. And yet here it’s not just jabbing at Fred for being an overconfident white dude, it’s literally “he’s such a whiny white man baby that his mommy cuts his steak and he hasn’t finished puberty so he has a small penis.” Like just…no remote hint of subtlety or nuance or anything that could make the progressive humor work.
An easy counter-example to turn to is the R-rated Harley Quinn series, also on HBO Max, which still feels true to the characters it focuses on, is full of left-leaning messaging on misogyny an LGBTQ issues, but importantly…is funny and compelling. I mean, this show recently did a full bit about the Joker running for mayor as a progressive socialist and it worked.
Velma? I don’t know what Velma is doing. I’m not sure I subscribe to this “Mindy Kaling made a dogwhistle series for right wing trolls” theory, as the Occam’s Razor explanation is that the show is just…bad. The jokes are…bad. That’s really it.
I may continue watching out of morbid fascination, but man, this is truly one of the most bizarre things I’ve ever seen.
 
Which is why everyone hated Scrappy Doo, he fucks up the balance. Velma ignores the idea of ever having that balance in archetypes and spits on any sort of lovability for the characters.

This is false. I loved Scrappy Doo as a child. It's the adult internet fans that hated him later that ruined his reputation. I don't think there was a backlash when it aired or he wouldn't have been kept on for successive seasons. Like Scrappy or not, he doesn't deserve to be compared to this shit show.
 
You don't think it's not a matter of being desensitized to it in those media, to the point of auto-filtering it?

The quality of the jokes and set-up for these kinds of scenarios often range from "it's all so tiresome" to "absolutely asinine". There's not much in possible variety for setups along the aforementioned premises. It's all bawdy by definition, but the indecision between ribaldry and eroticism in execution has long been common practice in those industries, and the added fact that these scenarios also rarely fit in the narrative makes them doubly agitating. Put another way: the mangaka that employs these, probably at editorial insistence, doesn't know if he wants the reader to laugh or take off his pants.

In the West? I think Westerners who pull this are either over-influenced by manga/anime, or they want to be subversive. If the latter, then their issue is that being subversive is all they're aspiring for. Either way, I don't like it.

I'm sure there's plenty of anime/manga that are "insultingly bad".

Because I don't know enough Japanese to read Japanese anime/manga discussion hubs (I'd likely not enjoy the prospect, either), I don't know how they react to them. On the other hand, I'm extremely confident that the spiteful cultural apparatuses that push these equally spitefully-made creations onto the public don't exist in Japan, and I'm going to therefore guess that "insultingly bad" works are quickly forgotten with even less controversy than we're seeing here.

The quality of the ideological mirror that is this show is extremely high.

Gen Zed was a money laundering scheme and not a show, which makes the fact it outclasses Velma even more striking.
Anime didn't make this WB Scooby Doo show bad, you fucking retarded sperg.
 
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For all the things that have been rebooted, for the longest time I really wanted Duckman to get a reboot or even a continuance, preferably starting with the cliffhanger in the last episode of the series. The witty and observational humor was really good and I'd love to see its take on society now since it last aired in the mid 90's. That is of course if they kept true to the formula and didn't turn it into woke garbage. Part of what made the show so great was how much it poked fun at the culture of political correctness, which we know as the predecessor to woke culture. If it's ever going to be brought back, now would certainly not be the time.
You want nothing coming back right now. It will be fucked up for sure. I don't know how long it will take the cancer to be purged in entertainment reboots, but we're definitely not there yet.
 
This is false. I loved Scrappy Doo as a child. It's the adult internet fans that hated him later that ruined his reputation. I don't think there was a backlash when it aired or he wouldn't have been kept on for successive seasons. Like Scrappy or not, he doesn't deserve to be compared to this shit show.

No, hatred of scrappy goes back to when the show was new (notice the post 80's stuff drops him for the most part), nobody liked that fuckin' dog even then. So much so they made him the villain behind the mask in the live action movie from 2002.
 
I got to see one episode, pirated, in a friend's Stream.

It may very well constitute the worst thing I've ever seen, and not solely because it makes HGS look like high art.

I realized something, watching it: It is intended to offend literally any audience. It attacks several woke cows with nearly the same vitriol it reserves for the original show's fanbase. Every single thing it changes, every single thing it does wrong it does with malice aforethought. I know a number of people who are relatively woke and who would be just as livid about this show as their counterparts outside the wokesphere. It is in every way excessive, and intended, in a calculating way, to piss off every possible demographic.

They're trying to bait even the woke to hate it in the hopes of securing hatewatches. This is not a viable long-term strat but in the short term it will turn this piece of trash into something able to carry its own weight for a little while. When even the hard-leftie tards are looking at this and going: "Dude, what the *fuck* is this shit?!" You know you've got something unusual on your hands. I can only hope that this strat blows up in their face.
 
Looks like the evidence for Velma getting a season two is that it is registered on the Entertainment Identifier Registry (never knew this was a thing). Looks like it's just a place to let companies put up possible metadata for a media property.

Skeptical that this really means there's a season 2 on the way.



 
No, hatred of scrappy goes back to when the show was new (notice the post 80's stuff drops him for the most part), nobody liked that fuckin' dog even then. So much so they made him the villain behind the mask in the live action movie from 2002.
Another poster said earlier that Scrappy actually improved ratings and people who worked on the show talked about this. He was popular with kids when he debuted, which is important since it WAS a kid's show. Frankly, I found it kind of dumb they dumped him for the 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo sequel they made. I understand wanting just the original 60's formula, but that felt like retcon to me so I didn't watch it.
 
Anime didn't make this WB Scooby Doo show bad, you fucking retarded sperg.
Pay attention to the conversation before you spout off with irrelevant garbage.

Nobody claimed that anime made this ostensible Scooby-Doo rendition bad. I conjectured that specifically the teenage nudity was the product of the rising generation of writers and artists being substantially influenced by anime/manga, where teenage nudity for the sake of ribaldry and/or erotica is common.
 
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