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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Propaganda showcase, here we have famed Youtuber Black Pigeon Speaks.
It's quite insane that these people act like this.
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Maybe buy better tanks next time?
Tanks are great, politicians are not and are weaseling out, but sadly you like that, so in this case you end up on the same side as Marxist Scholz, just because he's doing something that favors Russia.
Sad.
 
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Propaganda showcase, here we have famed Youtuber Black Pigeon Speaks.
It's quite insane that these people act like this.
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BPS is peak doomer retard. Ex-pats in general are almost entirely shady nutjobs in my experience, especially ones that go to Asia or Eastern Yurop. 99% of the time they're involved with CP, Drugs, or some kind of scam. I had a family member who went to live in SEA and he was involved in all kinds of shady shit, ended up dying because his butthurt at the west was so strong he tried taking some chink "medicine" for Dengue fever lmao.
 
Norwegian army esteemed that 180k russians have died or been wounded in the war, 100k military on Ukraine side
Not that it is not stated how the Norwegian came to these numbers.
 
Tanks are great, politicians are not and are weaseling out, but sadly you like that, so in this case you end up on the same side as Marxist Scholz, just because he's doing something that favors Russia.
Im all for the right of ukrainians to arm bears, they just have to pay for them like anybody else...

From Gulagu.net, not going to repost because it's in Russian anyway. Someone from Volgograd tipped them off, saying "they" (Wagner, presumably, doesn't specify for some reason but it's a safe assumption) are coming again to take men from their prisons, correctional facilities 26, 19 and others located near the city. According to an insider, they will be forcing prisoners from Ukraine as well, to use them as fodder.
we have heared that before and its something the west should do too.
 
Dude makes a good point. As fun as it is shitting on Germans, France does have their own MBT as well they could send.
Oh, they will. You think it's all free gratis? Ukraine will be paying all this back for decades.
Needless to say, they're already paying in blood to wrangle the tard openly hostile to the rest of Europe and US.
 
https://twitter.com/thorstenbenner/status/1617064545788522497
"US offers used tanks from its own stocks plus long term industrial partnership to every European country that can deliver Leopard 2 to Ukraine", German defence industry circles claim. "Each country that accepts US offer is lost for German defence industry".
No idea if its true, but it does sound like the sort of move we'd do. You get hooked with free tanks and then next thing you know you're neck deep in our M-I complex buying literally everything from us instead of domestically.

Of course, Raytheon and Co. will be delighted to help you set up local manufacturing... for a cut of every item made, that is.
 

Germany to decide "soon" on delivery of Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine​

Berlin says it will soon make a swift decision on the delivery of Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, as Western leaders put increased pressure on Germany to send advanced weaponry to Kyiv following repeated requests from President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Germany’s Defense Minister Boris Pistorius has said he anticipates a timely decision on the delivery of the tanks, adding he deems them necessary for a Ukrainian offensive in the eastern Luhansk and Donbas regions.

“Everyone understands the need he [Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky] is in and everyone understands the necessities and that is why there will be a decision soon, whatever it will be,” Germany’s Defense Minister Boris Pistorius said.
“That tanks are needed, that an offensive movement is needed with regard to Donbas, with regard to Luhansk, that is absolutely clear, but how that will be equipped then has to be seen, but there are also other states that can make their contributions,” he told public broadcaster ARD Sunday.

Though he described Germany as “a Leopard nation,” adding it has a “special responsibility that we have to live up to,” Pistorius stressed the importance of a decision on Leopard tanks “being closely coordinated,” with allies.

“We are talking about heavy armored weapons that can and must be used for offensive purposes, and we have to weigh up very carefully when to bring them into the equation, and I think it is right to do so cautiously and carefully in the German and European interest and not hastily or recklessly,” Pistorius added.

Weapons intended for warfare that are manufactured in the country cannot be re-exported without the federal government’s approval, according to German law.

Under the “War Weapons Control Act“ the German government must consent to any delivery of German-made weapons to a war zone.

Some context: Germany has so far failed to reach an agreement with its key Western allies on sending Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, despite growing pressure from NATO and Kyiv to step up its military aid ahead of a potential Russian spring offensive.

Some Kyiv officials have expressed frustration at Berlin's indecision over whether to dispatch its tanks to Ukraine.

Ukraine's Deputy Foreign Minister Andriy Melnyk told CNN's Isa Soares that Germany's lack of action is a "huge disappointment for all Ukrainians."

CNN's Mohammed Tawfeeq contributed reporting.

Ukraine "will pay" if Germany sends it tanks, Russia warns​


The Kremlin has said that Ukraine will bear the consequences if third countries supply it with tanks, amid growing pressure on Germany to dispatch advanced weaponry to Kyiv.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov warned the ongoing debate over sending German-made Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine suggests that the “nervousness among the members of the alliance is constantly growing.”

“All the countries that directly or indirectly take part in the pumping [of Ukraine] with weapons and in raising their technological level, are all responsible for it,” Peskov said Monday.

The Ukrainian people will have to pay for this,” he added.

Some context: Berlin has been under fire for failing to reach an agreement with its key Western allies to send Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine.

German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said Sunday that Germany would not stop Poland from sending Leopard 2 combat tanks to Ukraine if asked.

Russia previously warned of further escalation if more weapons were sent into Ukraine that will allow strikes on the Russian territory, saying it will “mean bringing the conflict to a new level.”

Next Ramstein meeting on Ukraine will take place in February, defense minister says​

Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov said that each meeting at the US Ramstein Air Base develops the trust that Ukraine's allies have in Kyiv, following the summit there on Friday.

"Back home after Ramstein 8. With each meeting, I see how our partners' trust in Ukraine grows. This is all due to the hard work of our soldiers and representatives," Reznikov tweeted.

"More trust means more weapons. To protect our land, sea... and sky," he said, adding that the next meeting at the US base in Germany will take place in February.

The meetings started in April 2022, as key allies of Kyiv gathered in Ramstein to chair Ukraine-focused defense talks amid Russia's invasion.
Leaders failed to reach an agreement Friday on the issue of sending German-made Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, despite growing pressure on Berlin from NATO and Kyiv to step up its military aid ahead of a potential Russian spring offensive.

Russia expels Estonian ambassador over "Russophobia" claims​

Russia has downgraded its diplomatic relations with Estonia and expelled the country's ambassador over allegations of "Russophobia."

The move comes after Estonia hosted a meeting of Western defense officials in its capital city Tallinn last week to pledge further military support to Ukraine.

“In recent years, the Estonian leadership has been purposefully destroying the entire edifice of its relations with Russia,” the Russian foreign ministry said in a statement Monday.
It accused Tallinn of elevating “blanket Russophobia” and the “cultivation of hostility” to the “level of state policy.”

Moscow also accused Estonia of forcing it to reduce the number of staff at the Russian embassy in Tallinn.

Estonian ambassador Margus Laidre was summoned to the Russian foreign ministry on Monday, and “was presented with a statement of resolute protest against the actions of the Estonian authorities.”

Laidre is due to leave the Russian Federation on February 7.

“The Estonian side must bear full responsibility for this turn of events in the relations between Russia and Estonia," said the ministry. "We will continue to respond to hostile actions on the part of the Estonian leadership.”

Estonia has been part of a group of NATO allies arguing strongly for Germany to provide its Leopard 2 battle tanks to Ukraine to help Kyiv fight off Russia's invasion.


Russian foreign minister discussed Ukraine with South African officials at their request, he says​

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov discussed the situation in Ukraine with South African officials during a visit to the country, he said Monday.

"Upon the request from my colleagues, we have discussed in detail the course of the special military operation in Ukraine, which is aimed at saving civilians and preventing the creation of direct threats to Russian security near our border," Lavrov said, using the Kremlin's euphemism for the war in Ukraine.

"And that is something that the US and NATO allies have been doing for years," Lavrov added during a joint news conference with South African Foreign Minister Naledi Pandor in Pretoria

Lavrov said he believes the talks with his South African colleagues "have been very fruitful," without providing more details about the discussions on Ukraine.

Russia, South Africa and China are set to take part in joint naval drills which are scheduled for next month.


Poland will send Leopard tanks to Kyiv if a "small coalition" of countries agrees to do the same​



The Polish government will send Leopard 2 battle tanks to Ukraine if it manages to “build at least... a small coalition of states” who would do the same, according to Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki.

If that “condition” is met, Poland would be willing to transfer the German-made tanks with or without Berlin’s approval, Morawiecki told reporters. Any transfer of Leopard 2 tanks would typically require permission from Germany.

“We will apply for such consent, but this is a secondary topic,” Morawiecki said.

“Even if we do not get this consent in the end, as part of a small coalition – (and even if) the Germans were not in this coalition – we will still hand over our tanks, together with others, to Ukraine," he added.

"The condition for us at the moment is to build at least such a small coalition of states and on this issue... we are contacting our partners in Western Europe.”

Ukraine's repeated calls for more tanks have been the subject of high-level diplomatic talks in recent weeks, and Germany has so far resisted the increasing pressure to authorize a tank transfer.


Berlin says it hasn’t yet had any requests to export tanks to Ukraine​



Germany has not received a request from Poland or any other country for permission to transfer the German-made Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, a government spokesman said Monday.

"To this hour we have not received a request,“ Steffen Hebestreit told a news conference. “And if they ask, then there is a certain procedure. I can't tell you whether that will take a few days or several months.“

He promised that any application would be “processed with the necessary speed that is required, but of course also with the necessary thoroughness that such procedures demand.”

Poland is one of 13 European countries with German Leopard 2 tanks in its inventory, according to the European Council on Foreign Relations think tank.

It has offered to send them to Ukraine and is trying to convince other countries to do the same, but Germany’s permission is typically required to re-export them.

On Sunday, the Poland's Prime Minister Mateusz Morawieckic said that Europe was “wasting time” on the discussions.

However Hebestreit defended Berlin against such accusations.

“Maybe it's good to weigh and consider a lot of things before you go recklessly into a step that you bitterly regret later,“ he said, adding that other countries, such as Spain, also have qualms about the potential tank transfer.

Latvia will downgrade diplomatic ties with Russia, foreign minister says​

Latvia will downgrade its diplomatic ties with Russia, Foreign Minister Edgars Rinkevics said on Twitter Monday.

This decision was made in solidarity with Estonia, and it will go into effect on Feb. 24, he added.

The move comes after Moscow downgraded its diplomatic relations with Estonia and expelled the Estonian ambassador over allegations of "Russophobia."


Germany Still Years Away From Replacing Russian Gas Capacity​


Germany is still years from substituting Russian pipeline gas imports with liquefied natural gas capacities, according to estimates by the country’s Economy Ministry.

Chancellor Olaf Scholz told Bloomberg last week that the country had learned its lesson from being too dependent on Russia. The goal now was to build capacity that gives Germany the chance to have as much gas as it had before the invasion without importing from Russia, he said.

But it will take until 2026 for Germany to install 56 billion cubic meters of domestic LNG import capacity, about the same it imported by pipe from Russia in 2021, the Economy Ministry wrote in an answer to a set of questions by the Left Party. By 2030 those capacities are seen at 76.5 billion cubic meters, or about 80% of total German gas consumption in 2021.

So far, Germany has managed to reduce its reliance on Russia by cutting overall consumption, importing LNG via neighboring European countries and increasing pipeline deliveries from Norway and the Netherlands. Some of that supply is uncertain amid plans to shut down the key Groningen gas field next year.

“The truth is, there won’t be enough in the next three to four years of LNG production capacity in the world to meet the growing demand,” Christian Leye, a Left Party lawmaker told Bloomberg. “So the unspoken strategy is that Germany will continue to pay crazy prices and other, less rich countries go empty-handed.”

A spokesperson for the Economy Ministry declined to comment further on the document.

 
Dude makes a good point. As fun as it is shitting on Germans, France does have their own MBT as well they could send.

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As much as I hate the cheese-eating surrender monkeys, they are right. The French Le Clerc production lines haven't run in 15 years, vs the Leopard II which is in active production.

While stat wise the Le Clerc is comparable to any other 3rd gen battle tank, they haven't made any new chassis in nearly 15 years. The ability to make new ones has been preserved but the factories are offline or making something new so you'd need to hire workers, train them, new quality inspections.... its a fucking mess. The Le Clerc is also not as far back as some of the russian tanks, but its far from cutting edge. There is a upgrade path planned, but the Le Clerc XLR program hasn't entered the production phase yet.

There are also only about 600 Le Clercs produced. Total. France as ~200 in active service, 200 in storage, and the rest were sold to mainly gulf states. It also uses French moon rounds as they were being tsundere with NATO at the time.
Additionally, the Le Clerc hasn't ever had to go up against enemy armor. Its only seen low intensity conflict. Its seen some service in Yemen with the UAE where its done ok (crewed by arabs so hard to judge performance)

This means spare parts are not plentiful, ammo is uncommon, and only the french & some arabs can train new crews.

By contrast, the Leopard II is still in active prodcution, 3600 of them have been made, uses NATO standard ammo, has modernization packages available, and has seen action against armor & russian weapons of the sort it will see in Ukraine, and is in service with like a dozen countries. Primary & parts factories, unlike the Abrams, are located near Ukraine. US tanks left Germany in 2013 (with a few guest appearances since, but the last permanent deployment ended almost a decade ago)
Germany is just being a bunch of commie sympathizers, per normal.
 
Oh, they will. You think it's all free gratis? Ukraine will be paying all this back for decades.

Absolutely, the United Kingdom took until 2006 to finally pay off what they owed America for lend-lease in WW2. About the only time Europe got American aid that didn't need to be paid back was the Marshall Plan and that was mainly because we gave European nations money in the form of grants as far as I know.

Dude makes a good point. As fun as it is shitting on Germans, France does have their own MBT as well they could send.

Needless to say, they're already paying in blood to wrangle the tard openly hostile to the rest of Europe and US.

The French recently did say they were looking into Leclerc tanks for Ukraine, though they did it in a faggy way and mentioned muh escalation and working with Germany on it so Ukraine may never see them.

 
Dude makes a good point. As fun as it is shitting on Germans, France does have their own MBT as well they could send.

Needless to say, they're already paying in blood to wrangle the tard openly hostile to the rest of Europe and US.
German, Brit, Italian and other Euro pols (and prolly a few American ones) were corrupted by oligarch donations which built on the pre existing Marxian corruption from college days. Ukraine in fighting this war and bleeding heavily is helping them recovering from their addiction and cuckoldry. BoJo took oligarch donations, but restored his character. Germans who are still pro Russian are uber cucks and inverts given the mass rape of German (and any women) who came within sight of the Moskals in the closing months of WW2 and the present dithering after the gas sales violations. The only popular, mass scale historical identification among Russians is with what they call the Great Patriotic War and Soviet system post WW2 (even tho the real start to WW2 was a joint Joe and Adolf thing), so it makes pro Russian Euro rightists a joke and a half.

Hopefully Macron sends Leclerc MBTs. Now it mightn't be announced for Italy under Meloni sends help without announcing it compared to the previous Putin simp found at a 'peace' rally.
 
No idea if its true, but it does sound like the sort of move we'd do. You get hooked with free tanks and then next thing you know you're neck deep in our M-I complex buying literally everything from us instead of domestically.
Many already do, and tbh for many of those countries domestic production just isn't cost effective for many items. The quantities purchased just don't make it worth it. Even the ones that do tend to buy a fair amount of foreign components to make their equipment.
 
Dude makes a good point. As fun as it is shitting on Germans, France does have their own MBT as well they could send.

Needless to say, they're already paying in blood to wrangle the tard openly hostile to the rest of Europe and US.
They're good tanks but they would need longer ahead time to produce new units. Not to say they shouldn't start. The French can use the new contracts and unfortunately for Reinmetal Germany fucked their defense market for the foreseeable future. That being said it's good for the West if there is competition besides the US and ROK.
 
Dude makes a good point. As fun as it is shitting on Germans, France does have their own MBT as well they could send.

The French recently did say they were looking into Leclerc tanks for Ukraine, though they did it in a faggy way and mentioned muh escalation and working with Germany on it so Ukraine may never see them.

I was just about to mention that the French have recently discussed sending some of their tanks to Ukraine.
 
The turkroach in charge has said NO to Sweden joining NATO (for now)
why, you may ask?
The reason is that a fat dane burned the Quaran in front of the Turkish embassy, which make the roach really really butthurt.
The fat dane is Ramus Paludan, a far right troll and a real lolcow who is also suspected of being a pedo (he talked to underaged followers of him on discord)
There is also an election in Turkey this year, so the turkroach is trying to get support.
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/8J9bxG/erdogan-sverige-far-inget-stod-fran-turkiet (source is in Swedish, so use goggle translate.
edit, english source: https://apnews.com/article/nato-pol...yyip-erdogan-f9a568da05914a4143a033e74067b6f4
archive: https://archive.ph/lyJ3b
 
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The turkroach in charge has said NO to Sweden joining NATO (for now)
why, you may ask?
The reason is that a fat dane burned the Quaran in front of the Turkish embassy, which make the roach really really butthurt.
The fat dane is Ramus Paludan, a far right troll and a real lolcow who is also suspected of being a pedo (he talked to underaged followers of him on discord)
There is also an election in Turkey this year, so the turkroach is trying to get support.
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/8J9bxG/erdogan-sverige-far-inget-stod-fran-turkiet (source is in Swedish, so use goggle translate.
edit, english source: https://apnews.com/article/nato-pol...yyip-erdogan-f9a568da05914a4143a033e74067b6f4
archive: https://archive.ph/lyJ3b
But what about Spurdo Sparde land (Finland)? I would say they are more strategically important due to them physically touching Russia.
 
But what about Spurdo Sparde land (Finland)? I would say they are more strategically important due to them physically touching Russia.
I'm sure Erdogan can dig up more Quran burners from there too, seems that for some weird reason that nobody can understand, Europeans are rather skeptical about Muslims and their religion, especially inside Europe in large quantities.
 
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They're good tanks but they would need longer ahead time to produce new units. Not to say they shouldn't start. The French can use the new contracts and unfortunately for Reinmetal Germany fucked their defense market for the foreseeable future. That being said it's good for the West if there is competition besides the US and ROK.

I can't believe the Frogs aren't using the excuse to knock the rust off their M-I factories, but French gonna fronch, eurocucks gonna cuck.

French jets and infantry weapons got a fair distribution (and I want to say they managed to get some frigates to SEA) their armor never took off. I wouldn't be overly surprised to see the Leclerc replacement be some domestic upgrade packages for a foreign chassis.
 
I'm sure Erdogan can dig up more Quran burners from there too, seems that for some weird reason that nobody can understand, Europeans are rather skeptical about Muslims and their religion, especially inside Europe in large quantities.
Man the Turks are such shitters. One one hand they sell equipment to Ukraine and bottleneck the black sea fleet from gaining reinforcements from the Russian sister fleets but on the other hand they pull this bullshit. The glowies really need to turn the screws on king roach. Maybe they can release those F-16s they've been trying to buy or release the F-35s on the condition they surrender their S-400s to the US.
 
Hopefully Macron sends Leclerc MBTs. Now it mightn't be announced for Italy under Meloni sends help without announcing it compared to the previous Putin simp found at a 'peace' rally.
So they get 2 bad MBTS at the same time?

They just shut take the leopard 1 tanks. those are more than good enough to fight the russians and can be delivered in weeks....
 
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