Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[AgendaPoster]

The goal of the West is to bleed Russia for as long as possible

I personally see zero issues with that.
Russia was historical threat to all the nearby countries and eventually a new conflict would arise. No "end of history", the threat remains so it has to be neutralized, just as we tried during the Cold War.
If you are part of what's the "West", it's your natural interest to bleed your opponents dry with as few resources as possible.
A conflict with both Russia and China is inevitable. We'll try to fuck them up economically and sabotage them from the inside with the cozy glow, and if that fails, may god have mercy on us.
Most Russians want to win in a very obvious way and despise Europe.
You literally have to be retarded if you're European to not want to win and humiliate Russia. Wars are easy, you have to win, or you'll lose and get raped.

 

[🇷🇺Fuck Ukraine🇷🇺]

Wondering if how good the armour is on the underside of Bradley's, Marder's and all the other outdated scrap they're sending to UKR?

How is it on the T-90's?

Looks like defensive measures on both sides have included an extraordinary amount of mines. Unfortunately, it'll also leave some nasty surprises behind when the conflict is done.

 

[TrulyMan]

Since people have reading comprehension issues:



Now its nice and big so people who pass up my posts will notice, so I don't want to hear any shit if you got smacked. After that bit of business, I'm looking at this from a clinical perspective. First up, to the West, Ukraine is two things:

1) Boomers in governments upset they never got a proper war with Russia now have the proxy war they've always wanted with limited risk of nuclear attacks
2) A corporate defense contractors wet dream to field test all their pretty toys to sell to people.

That's it. Nobody gives a shit about Ukraine and the appetite for it has quickly dried up. Every fucking time I see some faggot hoisting a Ukraine flag I want to wipe my ass with it, because it is unbelievably fake. This is not a moral war in the West. Yes, Ukrainians are defending against aggressors. But this shit happens all the time and we don't intervene. And there are much worse wars going on right now, like what the Saudis are doing to Yemen.

The goal of the West is to bleed Russia for as long as possible, and that time limit is running out. Maybe the generals in the West are so retarded they think they're going to get Crimea back, but I don't think that was even on the table.

Here's what I've inferred: Ukraine was ready to do a peace treaty at the beginning but talks disintegrated once Boris Johnson talked to Zelinsky, which is the whole 'not another inch' policy comes in. Ukraine also preformed better than anyone predicted early on. However, I never thought this was winnable at any point by Ukraine. The only way they could get anything was a pyrrhic victory from Russia while keeping stable as a nation.

Now, there is simply no ejecting Russia. It is a pipe dream. There's no weapons that can be given that will facilitate anything except a bloody stalemate, which the US pretty much wants. They want Ukraine to be the buzzsaw Russia runs into to weaken it. Obviously, these goals haven't been reached because the West is still sending aid. US Generals and media saying this are saying so because if they admitted there is no way to eject Russia, the outrcry over Ukraine spending would get very bad very quick.

However, other countries are quite aware of the realities and are less willing to compromise modern weaponry to what is functionally a proxy war that will result in a loss. You see this with Germany and Poland and even the UK. They do not want to send their MBTs. The appetite for the war among the public is rapidly dwindling as inflation rises and the coming market indicators of a recession. This will only get worse.

Ukraine cannot keep this up without Western support. There is no situation in which NATO troops reinforce Ukraine, short of a nuclear conflict. You are high on crack. They barely want to send things over, getting in a shooting war with Russia is not one they want.

The only real question to me is: How much more territory does Ukraine lose and how much of Russia is really weakened? Russia as a nation has gone through hell and collapse many times throughout their history and come out the other side. I'm not seeing anything different that will foment the collapse of Russia. The only thing we've succeeded in doing is weakening Russia a little bit and accelerated alliances in Asia.

Ukraine was always a lost cause tbh, no matter how well they preformed early on. We're pretty much headed towards the worst outcome right now, as we don't really know how much we hurt Russia (and ourselves) and Ukraine is basically fucked as a country right now, relying totally on foreign aid to keep from collapsing. And the will to give more aid is fading fast.

It's sad because as much as I've said something similar and a few academics have pointed it out, here and there some twitter account relates a sentiment like this, etc, there is no real discussion like this in the West.
Let alone in Ukraine.
I assume our leadership isn't completely retarded and actually knows this, but then that makes them dangerously sociopathic. Plunging Europe into an economic crisis, causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Ukranians and Russians only to weaken Russia a little bit in advance of the more serious confrontation with China.
I wonder if there are discussions like this in private in Ukraine, along the dinner table. Polls suggest that they are not willing to give up any territory in exchange for peace but who knows if that isn't just posturing.

 

[🇷🇺Fuck Ukraine🇷🇺]

Now its nice and big so people who pass up my posts will notice, so I don't want to hear any shit if you got smacked. After that bit of business, I'm looking at this from a clinical perspective. First up, to the West, Ukraine is two things:

1) Boomers in governments upset they never got a proper war with Russia now have the proxy war they've always wanted with limited risk of nuclear attacks
2) A corporate defense contractors wet dream to field test all their pretty toys to sell to people.

That's it. Nobody gives a shit about Ukraine and the appetite for it has quickly dried up. Every fucking time I see some faggot hoisting a Ukraine flag I want to wipe my ass with it, because it is unbelievably fake. This is not a moral war in the West. Yes, Ukrainians are defending against aggressors. But this shit happens all the time and we don't intervene. And there are much worse wars going on right now, like what the Saudis are doing to Yemen.

The goal of the West is to bleed Russia for as long as possible, and that time limit is running out. Maybe the generals in the West are so retarded they think they're going to get Crimea back, but I don't think that was even on the table.

Here's what I've inferred: Ukraine was ready to do a peace treaty at the beginning but talks disintegrated once Boris Johnson talked to Zelinsky, which is the whole 'not another inch' policy comes in. Ukraine also preformed better than anyone predicted early on. However, I never thought this was winnable at any point by Ukraine. The only way they could get anything was a pyrrhic victory from Russia while keeping stable as a nation.

Now, there is simply no ejecting Russia. It is a pipe dream. There's no weapons that can be given that will facilitate anything except a bloody stalemate, which the US pretty much wants. They want Ukraine to be the buzzsaw Russia runs into to weaken it. Obviously, these goals haven't been reached because the West is still sending aid. US Generals and media saying this are saying so because if they admitted there is no way to eject Russia, the outrcry over Ukraine spending would get very bad very quick.

However, other countries are quite aware of the realities and are less willing to compromise modern weaponry to what is functionally a proxy war that will result in a loss. You see this with Germany and Poland and even the UK. They do not want to send their MBTs. The appetite for the war among the public is rapidly dwindling as inflation rises and the coming market indicators of a recession. This will only get worse.

Ukraine cannot keep this up without Western support. There is no situation in which NATO troops reinforce Ukraine, short of a nuclear conflict. You are high on crack. They barely want to send things over, getting in a shooting war with Russia is not one they want.

The only real question to me is: How much more territory does Ukraine lose and how much of Russia is really weakened? Russia as a nation has gone through hell and collapse many times throughout their history and come out the other side. I'm not seeing anything different that will foment the collapse of Russia. The only thing we've succeeded in doing is weakening Russia a little bit and accelerated alliances in Asia.

Ukraine was always a lost cause tbh, no matter how well they preformed early on. We're pretty much headed towards the worst outcome right now, as we don't really know how much we hurt Russia (and ourselves) and Ukraine is basically fucked as a country right now, relying totally on foreign aid to keep from collapsing. And the will to give more aid is fading fast.

Solid observations and I agree with nearly all of it.

I would add that I think EU and US especially are upset that their economic war against Russia didn't work. They decided to creep forward with NATO to cover that.

Also, they'll send weapons until the very last but I don't think they'll ever commit themselves to the conflict UK and EU won't commit because their US handlers won't let them US won't commit because they're terrified of China.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Monday that he had signed a decree banning officials from traveling abroad on anything but official business.

“Officials will no longer be able to travel abroad for vacation or any other non-governmental purpose,” Zelensky said during his daily evening address.

“This applies to all government officials, as well as to various other levels of local government. This applies to law enforcement officers, members of parliament, prosecutors, and all those who have to work for the country and within the country.

Finally. All that photop bullshit will stop now, right?

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Monday signaled there would be changes to “personnel” within the Ukrainian government, without naming specifically affected people.

Doesn't look good for Ukraine. But, maybe it is, if they are weeding out the weak links.

In Ukraine’s Kyiv region, 86% of schools and kindergartens now have bomb shelters, the head of that region said on Telegram Monday.

If true, that is probably good for Ukraine.

The European Union's foreign policy chief Josep Borrell on Monday outlined the bloc's plans to continue supporting Ukraine, saying it reached an agreement to provide an additional 500 million euros ($543.03 million) and additional military training assistance worth 45 million euros ($48.87 million), dedicated to a military training mission for Ukrainian forces.

Lol, of course.

 

[Glowie]

Did that happen in the Sea of Azov?

Do you insist that sea of Azov, the extension of Black Sea is South of Odessa and West of Sevastapol now?

UN controls waters South notable submarine bases and Sevastapol is hit by maritime drones.

Did you move your goalposts now that you know how UN dominates maritime routes in and out of Black Sea?

I believe the question was "when" and not "show me your best cope." So when? By end of 2023? By end of 2024? Ever? If you don't pick a date we'll just keep assuming that even you don't believe Ukraine can win this war.

What's your definition of ”victory"? Ruined Russian economy, destroyed oil and supply depos and Ukrainan drones on Russian soil.

Russia losing more than 70% of "liberated" territory; entire oblasts. Forced to retreat and defend to the point even Moscow is planting defense systems around ministry of defense.

It's physically impossible for Russia to regain momentum.

What is Russia winning again? Remind me.
Russia is back to 1990s. If you were born then, you'd know.

Now Russia is stuck in their Vietnam war and economy follows suit. Protests everywhere followed by FSB enforced police state, economy is in shitter, Russia defaulted their foreign debt in 2022, credit rating is junk.

Truly this is what winning looks like.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

Ahh yes, the limited offensive.... that has been going for nearly a year.
The same offensive where Russia is estimated to have lost 180 k dead and wounded (Ukraine is estimated to have lost 100k military and 30k in civilans. source: https://www.france24.com/en/live-ne...000-dead-or-wounded-in-ukraine-norwegian-army
The same offensive where they have not been able to take any meningsfull ground since the summer.
The same offensive that has driven Sweden and Finland into the hand of NATO.
Where Russia has let their gayass PMC Wanger running amok and recruited prisoners' (including murders and rapists and other scum) to fill out the rank.
Where the flagship of the black sea fleet got sunk by a missile that it should have been able to shoot down but whoops,. corruption in the russian armed forces put a stop to that!
Russia has shown the world that its military is garbage and is a joke.

That’s a lot of words to say ‘I trusr the msm narrative nowthat it says things I like’ you nigger

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Plz stop fighting amongst one another. I get it, you hate eachother, and what not, but plz, stop.

 

[SIMIΔN]

Here's what I've inferred: Ukraine was ready to do a peace treaty at the beginning but talks disintegrated once Boris Johnson talked to Zelinsky, which is the whole 'not another inch' policy comes in. Ukraine also preformed better than anyone predicted early on. However, I never thought this was winnable at any point by Ukraine. The only way they could get anything was a pyrrhic victory from Russia while keeping stable as a nation.

I agree with pretty much your entire post.

Ukraine's best chance of a favourable peace was in March/April. They caused massive loses to the Russian advance, proving their independent strength and shocking the Russian people. Since then Ukrainian lives are thrown away on futile attacks or defending isolated pockets. Sure, many of their young Russian brothers have died too, but that shouldn't be celebrated.

Crimea was never on the table without direct NATO intervention. I don't see a good end for this thing. A generation ago Ukranians and Russians happily shared a country, but reconciliation will be hard for a nation that lost so much from Russian action.

 

[The Punished Mitch]

I personally see zero issues with that.
Russia was historical threat to all the nearby countries and eventually a new conflict would arise. No "end of history", the threat remains so it has to be neutralized, just as we tried during the Cold War.
If you are part of what's the "West", it's your natural interest to bleed your opponents dry with as few resources as possible.
A conflict with both Russia and China is inevitable. We'll try to fuck them up economically and sabotage them from the inside with the cozy glow, and if that fails, may god have mercy on us.
Most Russians want to win in a very obvious way and despise Europe.
You literally have to be retarded if you're European to not want to win and humiliate Russia. Wars are easy, you have to win, or you'll lose and get raped.

Most Russians couldn't give a fuck less about anything outside of Russia, much like most average people. This conflict exists solely because the US collapses the instant they stop vigorously enforcing their means of exporting inflation to the rest of the world via the petrodollar. NATO was fully aware of Russia's stance on Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO and glownigger Bush pushed it anyway in 08.

If you're European you literally have to be retarded not to have noticed by now that the US stirs shit globally non-stop to the sole benefit of the US ( and Israel ).

 

[Makhno]

I cant believe how ukranians and its tranny faggot supporters think bradleys, leopards or abrams are going to change the situation in the battlefield, when the western generators and transformers have not been able to even partially restore the "damage" done by non existen missile and drone barrages that are not even able to reach their targets after almost 4 months of failed attacks on energy infrastructure.

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you would be surprised to learn how much of that trillion plus yearly military budget is spent on convincing people to spend more on the military or how the promotion of military hardware is also built into certain defense contracts. realize the American military spends more than the next 20 nations combined and still cannot defend its own border and yet somehow every single year, year, after year, they get a bigger budget. the amount they spend on media, consultants, and downright manipulation through funding of think tanks and things like twitter "OSINT" is absolutely insane and probable as large as the entire military budget of most nations on Earth.

Most Russians couldn't give a fuck less about anything outside of Russia, much like most average people. This conflict exists solely because the US collapses the instant they stop vigorously enforcing their means of exporting inflation to the rest of the world via the petrodollar. NATO was fully aware of Russia's stance on Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO and glownigger Bush pushed it anyway in 08.

If you're European you literally have to be retarded not to have noticed by now that the US stirs shit globally non-stop to the sole benefit of the US ( and Israel ).

The same people who run the American empire run the EU and they all are owned by a class of donors whose money comes from the monopolization of the global financial system; Putin was going along to get along with these people for over a decade so they thought they could keep pushing. Funnily enough the LGBTQ+ and third wave feminism bullshit was the bridge too far for ole Vladimir. All they had to do was let Russia keep its traditional values and Putin would have sold out to them too just like he was fine with doing for years. Problem is spoiled brats who attended ivy league universities and rise to positions of prominence in western society are 2 types of people: silver spooned little shits who have never been told no, and social climbing scum who would pimp their own children to advance their status. Those are the people who run the west now. The petrodollar would have reigned for another hundred plus years if these morons didn't have to push the degenerate social agendas of the ruling class on the global working class.

 

[Fait Accompli]

In case the "what the fuck is a tank" sperging starts again, please refer to the following chart so you get your tank alignments presented more accurately.

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Not that it has to do with this conflict, Strv 103 is very underrated

It may look like a simple tank destroyer, but was absolutely fantastic in its designated theatre, to work in the nordic enviroment ( mostly Sweden and Finland ) defending against the soviet. Its probably the best defensive tank of the era. Acting in a guerilla fashion, popping up in forested enviroments, firing a few rounds and then retreating back from a hill. It would have been a nightmare against an invasion force

Sorry for being OT, but me seeing that tank triggers me immensely into defending it into oblivion. Sweden should've continued with this idea instead of ordering the generic Leopard 2.


( West should send 2000 Toyota Land Cruisers, armed with machineguns and ATGMs )
ISIS style

 

[AgendaPoster]

Most Russians couldn't give a fuck less about anything outside of Russia, much like most average people. This conflict exists solely because the US collapses the instant they stop vigorously enforcing their means of exporting inflation to the rest of the world via the petrodollar. NATO was fully aware of Russia's stance on Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO and glownigger Bush pushed it anyway in 08.

If you're European you literally have to be retarded not to have noticed by now that the US stirs shit globally non-stop to the sole benefit of the US ( and Israel ).

US stirring shit doesn't affect me at all. End of story.
And let's not lie about Russians, shall we?
70% support for "SMO" and Putin.
Large support boost for stealing Crimea.
Support for the recent illegal annexations.
Yes, most Russian care about their empire and want it large, powerful, and expansive, full of vitality. They feel humiliated for the 90s and the era of retreat and economic collapse.

 

[Derka Derka]

A good summary and some analysis on the Bakhmut front..

 

[🇷🇺Fuck Ukraine🇷🇺]

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Do you insist that sea of Azov, the extension of Black Sea is South of Odessa and West of Sevastapol now?

UN controls waters South notable submarine bases and Sevastapol is hit by maritime drones.

Did you move your goalposts now that you know how UN dominates maritime routes in and out of Black Sea?



What's your definition of ”victory"? Ruined Russian economy, destroyed oil and supply depos and Ukrainan drones on Russian soil.

Russia losing more than 70% of "liberated" territory; entire oblasts. Forced to retreat and defend to the point even Moscow is planting defense systems around ministry of defense.

It's physically impossible for Russia to regain momentum.

What is Russia winning again? Remind me.
Russia is back to 1990s. If you were born then, you'd know.

Now Russia is stuck in their Vietnam war and economy follows suit. Protests everywhere followed by FSB enforced police state, economy is in shitter, Russia defaulted their foreign debt in 2022, credit rating is junk.

Truly this is what winning looks like.

Well, what is your definition of victory? The loss of Soledar and the near complete encirclement of Artyomovsk (Bakhmut for the UKR). The Russian advance in Zaporizhzhia?

Yes, UKR has drones and donated weapon systems capable of reaching Moscow, setting up anti-air defences is a sign of preparation not one of defeat.

They've already regained momentum, do you even know how they are conducting the conflict?

After the initial SMO push didn't achieve what they wanted they changed their approach. It's now to grind forward, limiting casualties for themselves and maximising for the enemy, that's why they've been artillery heavy in their advances. UKR is about taking ground for PR purposes, Russia is about destroying their army.

Russia is winning the Crimean breadbasket, helping to liberate ethnic Russians from terror attacks and murder from UKR neo-nazis. Russia is winning strategic partners and and access to the Black sea and Mediterranean. Russia is winning security for its borders from western aggression.

Oh, there is protests against war in Russia? So fucking what? Where else did that happen.... Oh right the protests against the Vietnam war, what was the response from the US govt....."So fucking what?", right.

Where is the default? Or that default has nothing to do with the fact the EU is trying to steal the money left in their system before the conflict. Nice of you to note the illegal seizures of privately owned property because it belongs to a Russian billionaire.

Why the would they care about a junk credit rating from a "swift" banking system they have effectively removed themselves from? They don't need it and BRICS, Saudi Arabia and Turkey are perfectly willing to trade in Rubles for resources.

 

[The Punished Mitch]

US stirring shit doesn't affect me at all. End of story.
And let's not lie about Russians, shall we?
70% support for "SMO" and Putin.
Large support boost for stealing Crimea.
Support for the recent illegal annexations.
Yes, most Russian care about their empire and want it large, powerful, and expansive, full of vitality. They feel humiliated for the 90s and the era of retreat and economic collapse.

Unless you're posting from the far side of Jupiter it most definitely does.

Polls lol, lmao even.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

If you are part of what's the "West", it's your natural interest to bleed your opponents dry with as few resources as possible. A conflict with both Russia and China is inevitable.

Russia isn't my enemy though; no Russian ever called me a racist and demanded I impoverish myself for Jamal.

Ukrainians and their simps on the other hand, are demanding I do exactly that to fund their dumb slapfight with Russia.

Good luck Russia!

 

[AgendaPoster]

The pro-Russia side, 24/7:
Please bro, you have to believe us, US is really bad, they really affect you, please bro, think of the thousands of Vietnamese and Iraqis please bro look at the Guantanamo prison our brothers in Allah got tortured please bro the US hurts you really bad the West is colonial and evil please bro, think of the third world alliances we could have please bro you could literally go be an electrician or teacher in bantu lands please bro everyone outside the Evil Zapad loves Russia

 

[CaptainAutism69]

Since people have reading comprehension issues:



Now its nice and big so people who pass up my posts will notice, so I don't want to hear any shit if you got smacked. After that bit of business, I'm looking at this from a clinical perspective. First up, to the West, Ukraine is two things:

1) Boomers in governments upset they never got a proper war with Russia now have the proxy war they've always wanted with limited risk of nuclear attacks
2) A corporate defense contractors wet dream to field test all their pretty toys to sell to people.

That's it. Nobody gives a shit about Ukraine and the appetite for it has quickly dried up. Every fucking time I see some faggot hoisting a Ukraine flag I want to wipe my ass with it, because it is unbelievably fake. This is not a moral war in the West. Yes, Ukrainians are defending against aggressors. But this shit happens all the time and we don't intervene. And there are much worse wars going on right now, like what the Saudis are doing to Yemen.

The goal of the West is to bleed Russia for as long as possible, and that time limit is running out. Maybe the generals in the West are so retarded they think they're going to get Crimea back, but I don't think that was even on the table.

Here's what I've inferred: Ukraine was ready to do a peace treaty at the beginning but talks disintegrated once Boris Johnson talked to Zelinsky, which is the whole 'not another inch' policy comes in. Ukraine also preformed better than anyone predicted early on. However, I never thought this was winnable at any point by Ukraine. The only way they could get anything was a pyrrhic victory from Russia while keeping stable as a nation.

Now, there is simply no ejecting Russia. It is a pipe dream. There's no weapons that can be given that will facilitate anything except a bloody stalemate, which the US pretty much wants. They want Ukraine to be the buzzsaw Russia runs into to weaken it. Obviously, these goals haven't been reached because the West is still sending aid. US Generals and media saying this are saying so because if they admitted there is no way to eject Russia, the outrcry over Ukraine spending would get very bad very quick.

However, other countries are quite aware of the realities and are less willing to compromise modern weaponry to what is functionally a proxy war that will result in a loss. You see this with Germany and Poland and even the UK. They do not want to send their MBTs. The appetite for the war among the public is rapidly dwindling as inflation rises and the coming market indicators of a recession. This will only get worse.

Ukraine cannot keep this up without Western support. There is no situation in which NATO troops reinforce Ukraine, short of a nuclear conflict. You are high on crack. They barely want to send things over, getting in a shooting war with Russia is not one they want.

The only real question to me is: How much more territory does Ukraine lose and how much of Russia is really weakened? Russia as a nation has gone through hell and collapse many times throughout their history and come out the other side. I'm not seeing anything different that will foment the collapse of Russia. The only thing we've succeeded in doing is weakening Russia a little bit and accelerated alliances in Asia.

Ukraine was always a lost cause tbh, no matter how well they preformed early on. We're pretty much headed towards the worst outcome right now, as we don't really know how much we hurt Russia (and ourselves) and Ukraine is basically fucked as a country right now, relying totally on foreign aid to keep from collapsing. And the will to give more aid is fading fast.

you missed one thing; pushing Europe away from Russia, and closer/more dependent on America.

 

[TheDarknessGrows]

In light of our friend @Secret Asshole's plea, I have big news! Gather around everyone...

Winner stickers for everyone from now on!!!


until I get bored