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[Gorillion others]

So there’s a plot twist on Velma that her mom was doing experiments for the government to “switch people’s brains”.

I think I know how they’re going to try and explain Scooby.

Calling it now, there will be two experiments. The success will be Scooby, while the failure is Scrappy. The failure will be beaten brutally as they steal the Hot Topic dungeon joke from Drawn Together.

Gigi could end up still being Scooby.

Calling it now vellmas mom Is the killer and the murders were failed attempts to perfect the mi d swapping experiment.

I'll do you guys one better.

The entire mystery incorporated gang we all know and love today?

The losers in Velma, in "corporate friendly" bodies.

 

[skykiii]

@Maverick Vile for some reason there is no "reply" button on your post.

Just wanted to say one thing though... did I say I wanted to put the Flemish soundtrack in the English dub? If so I mispoke and apologize for mis-speaking. All I wanna do is put the English Dub over the higher-quality Flemish video source.

For some reason I'm not getting a button to mark your post as Informative either... even though it definitely is.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

And there it is.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

To the Captain Planet debate I think there's an attitude in current thought that it is too tricky to recreate and easier to parody because of the puns, the hilarious characters both villains and heroes and similar.

I think it is moreso just modern cynicism. The 2000s made being a cynical ass a popular thing. While I love it, Shrek definitely helped promote a lack of respect for the past, along with stuff like the live action Scooby movies, pretty much all cape-shit films not made by Raimi or Nolan, adult cartoons like South Park and Family Guy, etc.. The internet also helped by promoting people who made fun of every detail or repetitive thing about a franchise.

Writers now think they are being clever by pointing out flaws in older works or their own. It is a weird way for the to power-level as if they are above the works.

 

[Oats12345]

I think it is moreso just modern cynicism. The 2000s made being a cynical ass a popular thing. While I love it, Shrek definitely helped promote a lack of respect for the past, along with stuff like the live action Scooby movies, pretty much all cape-shit films not made by Raimi or Nolan, adult cartoons like South Park and Family Guy, etc.. The internet also helped by promoting people who made fun of every detail or repetitive thing about a franchise.

Writers now think they are being clever by pointing out flaws in older works or their own. It is a weird way for the to power-level as if they are above the works.

It's kind of sad stories can't take even the most ridiculous concepts straight anymore. We must always have dialogue such as "Isn't this werid everyone!!" Every 20 minutes.

You couldn't make something like Killer Klowns from Outer space anymore either.

 

[skykiii]

Personally I'd rather they remade The Gnomes

Do you mean David the Gnome, its sequel Wisdom of the Gnomes, or is "The Gnomes" something different?

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

It's kind of sad stories can't take even the most ridiculous concepts straight anymore. We must always have dialogue such as "Isn't this werid everyone!!" Every 20 minutes.

You couldn't make something like Killer Klowns from Outer space anymore either.

A lot of it is just industry nepotism mixed with capitalizing on franchises. When the right people enter the industry and work with these franchises, you get a Mystery Incorporated. Sadly, that is more so the rarity than the expected. Nowadays, it is mostly some nerd who wants to make their Oscar contender having to “belittle themself” by working on a franchise they see as beneath them for the opportunity to make their film. When this happens, you just end up with a bitching fest like Velma as Mindy clearly hates Scooby Doo and animation, but some WB exec gave her the license because.

We see this Marvel nowadays as they are now asking for non-fans to make their movies. I have to ask what gains they hope to see from this?

 

[starborn427614]

I think it is moreso just modern cynicism. The 2000s made being a cynical ass a popular thing. While I love it, Shrek definitely helped promote a lack of respect for the past, along with stuff like the live action Scooby movies, pretty much all cape-shit films not made by Raimi or Nolan, adult cartoons like South Park and Family Guy, etc.. The internet also helped by promoting people who made fun of every detail or repetitive thing about a franchise.

Writers now think they are being clever by pointing out flaws in older works or their own. It is a weird way for the to power-level as if they are above the works.

It's kind of funny, some shows that would get classified as "woke" are super sincere in my experience but the ones that buck this trend are so far in the other direction you wonder if they even like animation as a medium at all.

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Case in point.

 

[Oats12345]

A lot of it is just industry nepotism mixed with capitalizing on franchises. When the right people enter the industry and work with these franchises, you get a Mystery Incorporated. Sadly, that is more so the rarity than the expected. Nowadays, it is mostly some nerd who wants to make their Oscar contender having to “belittle themself” by working on a franchise they see as beneath them for the opportunity to make their film. When this happens, you just end up with a bitching fest like Velma as Mindy clearly hates Scooby Doo and animation, but some WB exec gave her the license because.

We see this Marvel nowadays as they are now asking for non-fans to make their movies. I have to ask what gains they hope to see from this?

Yeah I do wish we had more writers that actually cared about story and treated shit seriously. But modern stuff just can't.

 

[AnOminous]

My point is that every jump in the medium introduces hacks who use the tech to produce talentless schlock. Flintstones writing isn't spiteful, but its art and animation direction is just as lazy as, if not more so, than Velma.

Huh? Nobody's problem is the lazy animation, it's that it's spiteful, nasty shit that basically pisses in your face.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

It's kind of funny, some shows that would get classified as "woke" are super sincere in my experience but the ones that buck this trend are so far in the other direction you wonder if they even like animation as a medium at all.

Original series typically don’t have this issue. Say what you want about Steven Universe, it is not dragging past media down and makes it so it can only be judged on its own merit. Hell, Steven very much depicts a passion for previous media like Sailor Moon, Sonic, and much more. It becomes a more tolerable watch due to this.

 

[AnOminous]

Writers now think they are being clever by pointing out flaws in older works or their own. It is a weird way for the to power-level as if they are above the works.

I don't see why you would blame Shrek for this. And even pointing out flaws in the previous work means you paid attention to it. This twat Kaling obviously has no respect for the material and isn't even familiar with it. That's genuine disrespect. These characters aren't even remotely related to the originals. It's one thing to fondly poke fun at something in the past, and entirely another to take a big steaming shit on something you obviously never even watched in the first place.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

I don't see why you would blame Shrek for this.

Shrek was one of the first prominent examples to do more superficial disses at a work. In general, Shrek is a whole work, that has an underlying narrative that makes it good. Copycats don’t understand that though. So then a slow trajectory from Shrek to something like Enchanted happens. Enchanted is a fun film, but it is more blatant in its satire, literally pulling a “oh, how different we are by having the woman save the man” line. Then from Enchanted we get that literal Twitter moment in Ralph Breaks The Internet where they go over all the flaws with no subtlety. Shrek by itself is fine, but the influence it had lead to these kinds of things.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

It seems silly to blame something that was good at doing a thing. Blame the idiots who just want to try and copypaste things instead of try themselves rather than the ones who actually did good with it.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

It seems silly to blame something that was good at doing a thing. Blame the idiots who just want to try and copypaste things instead of try themselves rather than the ones who actually did good with it.

Agree, I think it is just easy to claim them as a starting point for where the trend began regardless of quality.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

I think it is moreso just modern cynicism. The 2000s made being a cynical ass a popular thing. While I love it, Shrek definitely helped promote a lack of respect for the past, along with stuff like the live action Scooby movies, pretty much all cape-shit films not made by Raimi or Nolan, adult cartoons like South Park and Family Guy, etc.. The internet also helped by promoting people who made fun of every detail or repetitive thing about a franchise.

Writers now think they are being clever by pointing out flaws in older works or their own. It is a weird way for the to power-level as if they are above the works.

True enough. Writing emotional moments well, especially in children targeted media can be very tricky. So when some works managed to do the cynical stuff reasonably well a lot of writers saw it as an excuse to cheap out on good writing in favour of more humour. Not all of them do but the sheer volume of stuff out there make the use of the crutch all the more common.

Do you mean David the Gnome, its sequel Wisdom of the Gnomes, or is "The Gnomes" something different?

David The Gnome, unclear naming on my part.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

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So what is more ethically wrong, fucking an adult woman with the brain of a dog, or fucking a dog with the brain of an adult woman?

 

[Local Degenerate]

So what is more ethically wrong, fucking an adult woman with the brain of a dog, or fucking a dog with the brain of an adult woman?

That's legit a fun debate topic to bring up and watch normies squirm. I've been tempted to drop it into mass debates here, but knowing the farms? Fuck that. Actual answer, ethically, fucking the woman with a brain of a dog. It's the consent that's the problem. Edit: All other ways? Both.

Or, I can short cut and say that none of these fucking shitfactories can count as people, so you're ethically a monster either way.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

That's legit a fun debate topic to bring up and watch normies squirm. I've been tempted to drop it into mass debates here, but knowing the farms? Fuck that. Actual answer, ethically, fucking the woman with a brain of a dog. It's the consent that's the problem. Edit: All other ways? Both.

Or, I can short cut and say that none of these fucking shitfactories can count as people, so you're ethically a monster either way.

Wouldn't consent be the other way around? The dog with the brain of the humane is capable of consent but not the human? It's a retarded topic but that's what ultimately Velma seems to be building up for.

 

[Local Degenerate]

Wouldn't consent be the other way around? The dog with the brain of the humane is capable of consent but not the human? It's a retarded topic but that's what ultimately Velma seems to be building up for.

I think we're saying the same thing.
It's more ethically wrong to pork the adult with the dog brain, since the dog brain can't consent.