Microsoft is fucking butthurt no one wants Windows 11 so they're stopping the sale of Windows 10 licenses this month

[The Ugly One]

If you're thinking about switching to a Linux distro so that you'll never have to deal with an EOL schedule again, you're in for a nasty shock.

Selling an operating system means continuing to update and support it as new platforms come out, which isn't cost-free (cf. Alder Lake issues with Win 10). And if I sell something, the customer expectation is that I will keep supporting it for 2-3 years at least. Windows 10 end of support is 2025, so this is the right time to stop selling it.

 

[Flaming Dumpster]

I didn't like 7 when I got it, I spent a bunch of time making it look like my windows XP turned 2000.

It takes like 2 seconds to do that? Right click on desktop -> Personalize -> Windows Classic.

Shits me to no end that this isn't an option anymore as it looks so amazingly good. I have a Windows 7 machine lying around and it's a dream to use, so snappy and easy to use.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

See this is why normies hate linux people, you're so goddamn smug. hurr durr just install linux and learn to use it bro. No. You aren't going to recruit people by being pricks all the time.

Who the fuck are you talking to that's acting like a prick to you when it comes to Linux? Majority of the time when people suggest switching to Linux, that also comes with them also willing to teach you how to use it.

Let me guess, did you encounter a Gentoo/Arch faggot that was high off his own farts?

I don't have time to learn how to use a completely new OS that requires a bunch of poweruser level knowledge just to do normal shit and all for nebulous benefits.

>poweruser level knowledge
Nigger, what? if you're talking about doing shit on the terminal, do you know how fucking RARE that shit is now-a-days? Nevermind package installers, including the new Snap/Flatpack, but AppImage is basically the Linux equivilant of a windows EXE file. The only time you'd have to do terminal shit is if you're doing something a little more complicated, like running a 32bit program on a 64bit machine, which even then all you have to do is add ":i386" at the end of the command. That includes anything WINE related, which even that is easy to use, especially if you're using winetricks. The REAL dirty work would be if you're building a program from source, but if you use linux passively as if you use windows, then you'd NEVER EVER have to go down that route in your entire lifetime.

All it takes is using a Virtual Machine (which is FREE by the way) and to download the ISO of whatever Linux distro you want to try and use it on the VM to see if it suits your needs. if that's too complicated for you, then idk what to tell you.

 

[Shidoen]

Yeah I just realized this with my latest computer and now I can’t play Fallout 3 AGAIN. BILL GATES IM COMING FOR YOU.

 

[Aidan]

Yeah I just realized this with my latest computer and now I can’t play Fallout 3 AGAIN. BILL GATES IM COMING FOR YOU.

There's this weird irony in that older games are becoming much easier to run on Linux than modern Windows. As someone who prefers Linux and enjoys older titles it's been great.

See this is why normies hate linux people, you're so goddamn smug. hurr durr just install linux and learn to use it bro. No. You aren't going to recruit people by being pricks all the time.

He's not being a smug prick, your post substantiates his if anything.

I don't have time to learn how to use a completely new OS that requires a bunch of poweruser level knowledge just to do normal shit and all for nebulous benefits. I am not a programmer, I don't want to learn programmer shit.

What?
I'd say the most common Linux distros for normal use are the ones where you basically use it like Windows/Mac, never opening the terminal. You don't ever need to open the terminal these days on popular distros like Ubuntu and its derivatives.

You do you but Windows 10 won't be supported forever.

 

[YE24]

I'm glad my motherboard doesn't have TPM 2.0. No matter how hard they try they can't force me onto 11 if they want to keep that requirement.

I foresee Microsoft waiving the TPM2 requirement after this push to get Win10 users to upgrade. They'll never force everyone, but Win12 will default to requiring TPM2 as well, and eventually the few folks without it will upgrade their hardware.

 

[2LtMashengo]

Forgive the conspiracy sperging but I'm thinking this is tied to Agenda 2030, ID2020 and the WEF's 'global goals'.

You vill install ze Vindows 11.

 

[SilentDuck]

The thing is, as soon as they make the switch everything that happens on that system from then on is your/linux' fault. Two seconds longer boot for some random reason? Your fault. That youtube video has bad sound? Linux broke my computer. And help you god if they want to play a video game and it runs somehow differently than in windows. Absolutely and utterly hopeless. They need to want to or you just adopted the person and their computer. If the make the switch by themselves and ask you for help, by all means, help but I strongly advise against advertisting for it and also don't understand people proselytizing Linux for normies. I kinda don't want Linux to catch on in the normie-sphere because the little, every-so-slighty degree it already catched on with that sphere was just a net negative for the entire culture so far. If you don't know what I mean, look at /r/linux.

Yes, by opening your mouth you just volunteered for the IT helpdesk except it doesn't pay and the customer is seething and resentful rather than grateful for your time.

Whenever there's a huge reason on the horizon that has normies wanting to ditch Windows (ahem Vista & 7 era) linux users and entire distributions ultimately take some sort of huge beatdown in the race to appear as the alternative.

Hopefully it doesn't happen on this go around, but it could also be a lot worse this time as its not just a matter of waiting for another version of Windows. You could point out the state surveilance advantages for the government having your OS and TPM module track you and de-anonymize you at all times but there is also huge if not larger commercial demand to track you, your location, your spending, your viewing and your clicking.

 

[caccoooo bird]

There's this weird irony in that older games are becoming much easier to run on Linux than modern Windows.

It's weird that not a lot of people bring this up, but if you can easily set your Windows version to XP or 7 in WINE and run a game in fine conditions. My friends trying to run the same .exe on Windows 10 run into compatibility issues and weird errors. Can't even imagine what it could be on Windows 11.

See this is why normies hate linux people, you're so goddamn smug. hurr durr just install linux and learn to use it bro. No. You aren't going to recruit people by being pricks all the time

Sure there are 16yo Archfags that feel so strong and poweruser-like from copy-pasting commands from the Arch Wiki, and sure they might be all over /g/ or reddit discussions explaining how they have gained some sort of profound understanding of their computers after installing Arch/Gentoo/any other minimal meme distro. But it's more like that camp of people are the loudest, not necessarily the largest, or the most well-versed.

requires a bunch of poweruser level knowledge just to do normal shit

I watched a guy install and proceed to use Ubuntu. Not once he needed the terminal, just go to the appstore and install whatever you need. But he did insist on learning about the terminal, so I showed him around and he was impressed about how smooth stuff is compared to cmd.exe, or Visual Studio and MSVC. A command line for daily usage might've been the case in the past, but it's definitely no longer the case.
And of course it's a new OS, a new paradigm, there will be new stuff to learn, but it's kind of retarded to think that an alternative OS should be exactly the same in usage as its rival.

 

[Pissmaster]

Sure there are 16yo Archfags that feel so strong and poweruser-like from copy-pasting commands from the Arch Wiki, and sure they might be all over /g/ or reddit discussions explaining how they have gained some sort of profound understanding of their computers after installing Arch/Gentoo/any other minimal meme distro. But it's more like that camp of people are the loudest, not necessarily the largest, or the most well-versed.

They're certainly the most prevalent. I tried looking for a post of mine where I talked about searching for how to run executables on Linux, only to come across some smug retard smugly explaining how Linux users don't get executables from websites, but instead smugly install them from their smug repositories. Couldn't find it, but I did find this post

I also tried to migrate to Linux earlier in the year only to get stonewalled yet again by another retarded Linux problem, where Grub just wouldn't work if you have a monitor hooked up via DisplayPort to an Nvidia GPU and there's just nothing you can do about it.

It's like every few years I have to spend about 10 hours of my life trying to migrate to Linux only to get stonewalled by the stupidest shit and reminded why I still use Windows.

to which @Celebrate Nite elaborated, explaining that NVidia basically just hates Linux:

Blame NVidia. AMD some time ago had a big reset with how they do things with linux and now not only take their time with linux support/drivers, but since they went open-source, you have multiple people outside of AMD that are contributing to making shit easier for linux users to the point where it "just works".

NVidia, on the other hand, is just as closed and private/gated about their shit as Microsoft/Apple is. They have drivers for linux, but its a crap-shoot on whether or not it'll work well on your specific machine or not. I had experience with this when I was first starting linux and was using Ubuntu. I used to have a Nvidia graphics card that replaced the basic Intel Graphics that came built-into the pc. and half the time it wouldn't boot into Ubuntu but would instead send me to the dreaded black screen that to this day is still an issue for other people. So i just said "fuck it" and removed the NVidia card out of my computer and I never had that issue again. Granted I can't play certain games anymore, but I'll take that sacrifice.

So, Adobe software won't work, and my GPU won't play nicely with it. Linux will only cripple my computer.

 

[TrulyMan]

I'd Use Windows XP if they kept updating it for compatibility and security.

 

[Pee Cola]

I said it often before in various places on this forum but Linux userland is at it's absolute worst when it tries to be a poor man's windows.

Linux is a classic example of something that's fit for purpose when said purpose is a very specific use case. Web servers, SBCs, embedded systems and so on. I wouldn't use anything other than Linux for a webserver, preferably Debian.

Certain lightweight distros are also quite good as a daily driver desktop OS on obsolete hardware. But there are quite a few full-fat distros that try to be a poor man's Windows and fail miserably, many of which being as bloated as the real thing.

That being said, if you think of a poor man's Windows distro as being a dollar store MacOS distro, then it makes a lot more sense. The similarities under the hood are undeniable (even if MacOS borrows more from BSD than Linux). The main differences being that the MacOS desktop is very shiny and the stuff under the hood is tightly locked down. If you're coming from a Mac and are willing to trade bling for freedom, the move over to Linux may not feel like that much of a shock.

Cue the trashcans from Linuxfags with their fingers in their ears, unwilling to admit that their beloved OS isn't anything other than 100% perfect for 100% of use cases.

 

[Matt Damon]

So, Adobe software won't work, and my GPU won't play nicely with it. Linux will only cripple my computer.

"Linux is all about choice, as long as you use a specific subset of hardware to run a specific subset of software to do a specific subset of tasks, because why would anyone want to do anything with a computer but write little terminal-only programs?"

God, I hate Linux nerds. I swear none of them actually DO anything with their computers.

 

[byuu]

"Linux is all about choice, as long as you use a specific subset of hardware to run a specific subset of software to do a specific subset of tasks, because why would anyone want to do anything with a computer but write little terminal-only programs?"

No one's stopping nvidia or Adobe from properly supporting Linux other than the people that keep giving money to those companies.

 

[Matt Damon]

No one's stopping nvidia or Adobe from properly supporting Linux other than the people that keep giving money to those companies.

I don't give a shit why it doesn't work. I'm not going to use an OS because of the good intentions of the developers.

This is the crux of the problem - Linuxfags are rabid ideologues and expect other people to use substandard, dysfunctional tools because they purport to have a nicer philosophy than the people who make the stuff that actually works.

 

[Aidan]

I don't give a shit why it doesn't work. I'm not going to use an OS because of the good intentions of the developers.

This is the crux of the problem - Linuxfags are rabid ideologues and expect other people to use substandard, dysfunctional tools because they purport to have a nicer philosophy than the people who make the stuff that actually works.

Adobe stuff is known for not working though.

In my opinion, which I expressed earlier in this thread, the only reason to hold out is for specific software that lacks a Linux version and isn't worth the hassle of trying to get to work on Linux.
The vast majority of computer users nowadays do everything in the browser or via electron apps which may as well be the same. Aside from the interface most people would be fine on some generic Linux distro. Companies get more of a pass due to enterprise solutions Microsoft offers which is where Microsoft makes far more sense, and even then behind the scenes there's a lot of Linux.

People who actually use their computers tend to use whatever works for their workflow, whether it's Mac, Windows, or Linux. And if they're on Linux then it's usually with an autistic setup they've tailored to their own experience over time.

The "ideologue" stuff is from retards and/or genuine bafflement at how much people will complain about Windows but never step away from it. Microsoft can do everything but totally lock people out of their computer and concessions will be made because it's all they've ever used. Linux nerds are eager to push alternatives, only to get the usual "Well I can't because X" where X is a cop out excuse because most people genuinely just do not want to try new things. This will continue with every major Windows update.

People will buy a new computer and straight up trash their old one before trying not-Windows. In a weird twist I've found the extremely tech illiterate who don't surf the web much are more open to Linux since when they do use it it's just to check email or watch Youtube and Windows will manage to get in the way of that at times, often with updates and popups.

 

[Pissmaster]

"Linux is all about choice, as long as you use a specific subset of hardware to run a specific subset of software to do a specific subset of tasks, because why would anyone want to do anything with a computer but write little terminal-only programs?"

God, I hate Linux nerds. I swear none of them actually DO anything with their computers.

Reminds me about how I heard about how wonderful Raspberry Pis are for years, seeing entire websites and magazines dedicated to them, only to dive in it and find that most of what you can do with them, you can just do with an old PC anyway. They treat them like tiny general purpose computers you can use like a desktop, but the specs in even the RPi4 are very low-end, so they're miserable to use. They're best enjoyed as toy computers to give a kid who wants to learn about programming and robotics.

 

[byuu]

I don't give a shit why it doesn't work. I'm not going to use an OS because of the good intentions of the developers.

This is the crux of the problem - Linuxfags are rabid ideologues and expect other people to use substandard, dysfunctional tools because they purport to have a nicer philosophy than the people who make the stuff that actually works.

I don't expect you to use Linux. It's just silly to blame problems unrelated companies cause on Linux.
It's like going "Windows sucks" because HP's printer drivers on Windows are so awful.

If you want a chance of anything improving and if you don't want to be stuck with whatever crap Microsoft comes up with next forever, you have to place proper blame and avoid buying from them if you can.

 

[Aidan]

Reminds me about how I heard about how wonderful Raspberry Pis are for years, seeing entire websites and magazines dedicated to them, only to dive in it and find that most of what you can do with them, you can just do with an old PC anyway. They treat them like tiny general purpose computers you can use like a desktop, but the specs in even the RPi4 are very low-end, so they're miserable to use. They're best enjoyed as toy computers to give a kid who wants to learn about programming and robotics.

You missed the point of what made (past tense) Pis so great. If you have an old computer lying around that can do the same thing then use it. If you have a project in need of low power computing and/or small form factor then a Pi was a wonderfully cheap option with great official and unofficial support.

 

[Matt Damon]

In a weird twist I've found the extremely tech illiterate who don't surf the web much are more open to Linux since when they do use it it's just to check email or watch Youtube and Windows will manage to get in the way of that at times, often with updates and popups.

"Desktop Linux is great as long as you barely do anything with it."

People will buy a new computer and straight up trash their old one before trying not-Windows.

Because they need their fucking software to work. This is like wondering why U-Haul doesn't give fleet Corvettes a try - it's bewildering that anyone would not find the reason intuitively obvious.

If you want a chance of anything improving and if you don't want to be stuck with whatever crap Microsoft comes up with next forever, you have to place proper blame and avoid buying from them if you can.

I haven't bought a Windows pre-built or license since the early 2000s, so I'm doing my part. It's the Linux faggots who aren't holding up their end of the bargain.