Microsoft is fucking butthurt no one wants Windows 11 so they're stopping the sale of Windows 10 licenses this month

"Desktop Linux is great as long as you barely do anything with it."
Plenty of people do "things" with desktop linux. It's well known plenty of programmers do but nowadays data analysts and really any number-crunchers have a decent subset that are Linux fanboys.
I personally know among astronomers a good chunk of them enjoy Linux for a variety of reasons.

Handwaving Linux away as "you can barely do anything with it" is the same amount of smug just thrown in the opposite direction.
Because they need their fucking software to work. This is like wondering why U-Haul doesn't give fleet Corvettes a try - it's bewildering that anyone would not find the reason intuitively obvious.
I mean normal people and am referring to how Windows is setting hardware requirements that quickly deprecate otherwise serviceable machines. They could get more life out of their old machines by repurposing them but they throw them in the trash, go get a new machine, then complain about whatever new version of Windows they have to put up with.
 
When I get to the pearly gates and answer all the questions they ask of me, I'll pass all but the ladt: why haven't you been using Temple OS, my child?

I will weakly sputter out an excuse before being pulverized into etheral dust.
 
I personally know among astronomers a good chunk of them enjoy Linux for a variety of reasons.

If the main applications you use are vim, gcc, scipy, and Paraview, Linux is just fantastic.

If you use a lot of Office, or Photoshop, or play a lot of games, it's just not a viable platform for that. WINE is a coping mechanism for people to poor to afford a Windows partition, not a real solution.

Has Thread Advisor support made it into the kernel yet?
 
If the main applications you use are vim, gcc, scipy, and Paraview, Linux is just fantastic.

If you use a lot of Office, or Photoshop, or play a lot of games, it's just not a viable platform for that. WINE is a coping mechanism for people to poor to afford a Windows partition, not a real solution.

Has Thread Advisor support made it into the kernel yet?
baitposting

Anyway, I'll stop shitting up this thread but don't mind shilling gentoo in the linux thread.
 
https://www.hiri.com/ (Very good email client).
Photoshop
https://www.photopea.com/ (Online photoshop clone that gets most of my work done if I need it done fast and absolutely need something mostly analogous to Photoshop)
"But it doesn't do XYZ" - Software and hardware are tools to be used in appropriate situations. If Linux isn't specifically the tool you need then it isn't a mark against Linux. However, it's disingenuous to claim that Linux has less uses than it has.
"Not a viable platform for games" - It absolutely has. X11 is mature and Wayland is just about feature complete and rolling out. Performance-focused Kernels and a lack of overhead because most distributions wont be running the sheer amount of software cruft that Windows has means that games will often perform as good, or better, on Linux. That, alongside the ability to actually use low-latency kernels and custom audio drivers and patches and low input latency, plus fantastic controller support across the majority of genres (sorry racing game fans) means that Linux is superior for rhythm games, fighting games, strategy games (which often have great ports) and shooters (with pretty much every retro shooter port having support for Linux baked in). You'll also find that the file-system not actively corrupting itself like NTFS does on Windows leads to a more enjoyable experience when gaming because everything is much faster and won't degrade over time, like Windows.
You also have great emulator support, including things like Fightcade.
If your argument is that it doesn't support 'popular games' or 'online games' then Windows can keep that nigger software.
So many front-ends make WINE so easy to use that you'll end up with better performance or general experience with Windows because of how much you can tune it for a low-input lag, responsive experience. Hell, you can get the vast majority of games working on Linux via Steam Proton with literally a single button press.

We also have a decent video editor now in the form of Kdenlive (https://kdenlive.org/en/) and a lot of miscellaneous software on Linux makes life easy. Windows is frankly unusable nowadays, and Microsoft is trying it's best to funnel everyone into the abortion that is Windows 11. Personally, I like that my computer is fast and Just Works(tm).
 
https://www.hiri.com/ (Very good email client).

https://www.photopea.com/ (Online photoshop clone that gets most of my work done if I need it done fast and absolutely need something mostly analogous to Photoshop)

"But it doesn't do XYZ" - Software and hardware are tools to be used in appropriate situations. If Linux isn't specifically the tool you need then it isn't a mark against Linux. However, it's disingenuous to claim that Linux has less uses than it has.
"Not a viable platform for games" - It absolutely has. X11 is mature and Wayland is just about feature complete and rolling out. Performance-focused Kernels and a lack of overhead because most distributions wont be running the sheer amount of software cruft that Windows has means that games will often perform as good, or better, on Linux. That, alongside the ability to actually use low-latency kernels and custom audio drivers and patches and low input latency, plus fantastic controller support across the majority of genres (sorry racing game fans) means that Linux is superior for rhythm games, fighting games, strategy games (which often have great ports) and shooters (with pretty much every retro shooter port having support for Linux baked in). You'll also find that the file-system not actively corrupting itself like NTFS does on Windows leads to a more enjoyable experience when gaming because everything is much faster and won't degrade over time, like Windows.
You also have great emulator support, including things like Fightcade.
If your argument is that it doesn't support 'popular games' or 'online games' then Windows can keep that nigger software.
So many front-ends make WINE so easy to use that you'll end up with better performance or general experience with Windows because of how much you can tune it for a low-input lag, responsive experience. Hell, you can get the vast majority of games working on Linux via Steam Proton with literally a single button press.

We also have a decent video editor now in the form of Kdenlive (https://kdenlive.org/en/) and a lot of miscellaneous software on Linux makes life easy. Windows is frankly unusable nowadays, and Microsoft is trying it's best to funnel everyone into the abortion that is Windows 11. Personally, I like that my computer is fast and Just Works(tm).

You really can't turn around in a room full of Linux purists without bumping into somebody trying to share his fanfic about GIMP & LibreOffice replacing professional software. "Windows software all runs better in WINE than it does natively" is a new one for me, though.
 
You really can't turn around in a room full of Linux purists without bumping into somebody trying to share his fanfic about GIMP & LibreOffice replacing professional software.
"Trust me, bro, nobody needs Cubase or Ableton or Logic when Audacity is just as good. I turned up the gain on a voice recording I did one time, so I'm totally qualified to have an opinion about professional DAWs."

No wonder Linux nerds are satisfied with Linux. They have no life experience or personal interests outside of writing Linux code.
 
How is it the Linux faggots' fault that Adobe doesn't port their software to Linux?
The Linux userbase never exactly built themselves up as a destination for creatives, so I'm sure there's not nearly enough money in it for Adobe to release and support Linux ports of their software.

So you'd think there would be an effort to get Adobe software working, but that crowd seems to be more into pushing alternatives



I had those two things written up and was gonna elaborate more, but then had some IRL shit to do, and then this guy posts:
https://www.hiri.com/ (Very good email client).

https://www.photopea.com/ (Online photoshop clone that gets most of my work done if I need it done fast and absolutely need something mostly analogous to Photoshop)

"But it doesn't do XYZ" - Software and hardware are tools to be used in appropriate situations. If Linux isn't specifically the tool you need then it isn't a mark against Linux. However, it's disingenuous to claim that Linux has less uses than it has.
"Not a viable platform for games" - It absolutely has. X11 is mature and Wayland is just about feature complete and rolling out. Performance-focused Kernels and a lack of overhead because most distributions wont be running the sheer amount of software cruft that Windows has means that games will often perform as good, or better, on Linux. That, alongside the ability to actually use low-latency kernels and custom audio drivers and patches and low input latency, plus fantastic controller support across the majority of genres (sorry racing game fans) means that Linux is superior for rhythm games, fighting games, strategy games (which often have great ports) and shooters (with pretty much every retro shooter port having support for Linux baked in). You'll also find that the file-system not actively corrupting itself like NTFS does on Windows leads to a more enjoyable experience when gaming because everything is much faster and won't degrade over time, like Windows.
You also have great emulator support, including things like Fightcade.
If your argument is that it doesn't support 'popular games' or 'online games' then Windows can keep that nigger software.
So many front-ends make WINE so easy to use that you'll end up with better performance or general experience with Windows because of how much you can tune it for a low-input lag, responsive experience. Hell, you can get the vast majority of games working on Linux via Steam Proton with literally a single button press.

We also have a decent video editor now in the form of Kdenlive (https://kdenlive.org/en/) and a lot of miscellaneous software on Linux makes life easy. Windows is frankly unusable nowadays, and Microsoft is trying it's best to funnel everyone into the abortion that is Windows 11. Personally, I like that my computer is fast and Just Works(tm).
That list of software is completely worthless to me. I already have working solutions I've been using for years on Windows, and at this point I just want a 1:1 copy if I were seriously gonna uproot my whole setup for a new OS. I'm not a kid anymore, I don't have the time nor patience to wrestle with Linux when things go wrong. I even gave it one more shot as my primary OS last year, only to find out that Grub just straight up doesn't work because of my Nvidia GPU. So I ended up buying a newer Nvidia GPU, because I had lost all desire to give Linux another go. Linux has come a long way, I don't doubt that, but when I'm still hitting impassible problems where the solution is "buy a different brand", I'm out.

Computers are a tool. I wouldn't even consider dropping Windows if it weren't for the ever-lurking spectre of telemetry, which isn't a problem after you run a few scripts after install. There's nothing you can say to convince a person to migrate to a different OS if their software just doesn't work on it.
 
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Computers are a tool.
I think to many Linux users, OS choice is literally an ethos. Use of Linux and even choice of distro is something they have ego and sense of self tied up in.

Windows is just a host for the applications I use and I have zero interest in it beyond that. I don't spend my free time playing with it or tinkering with it or attempting to optimize it. There is an inverse correlation between how much I'm actively "using Windows" and how well my day is going.
 
When I get to the pearly gates and answer all the questions they ask of me, I'll pass all but the ladt: why haven't you been using Temple OS, my child?

I will weakly sputter out an excuse before being pulverized into etheral dust.
Deserved.
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In a weird twist I've found the extremely tech illiterate who don't surf the web much are more open to Linux since when they do use it it's just to check email or watch Youtube and Windows will manage to get in the way of that at times, often with updates and popups.
The demographic that the top desktop Linux distribution, ChromeOS, is perfect for. Pity it's a pain to install on random old hardware, at least if you want easy Android app compatibility.
 
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Looks like Dual-boot is going to be the way of the future. Windows 7 on one hand and botland on another.

There's this weird irony in that older games are becoming much easier to run on Linux than modern Windows. As someone who prefers Linux and enjoys older titles it's been great.
Which is many kinds of ironic since there is legitimately a great library of games in the past that simply shits on 90% of the games being produced nowadays. It also doesn't help that Windows cannot help being bloatware.
 
No one's stopping nvidia or Adobe from properly supporting Linux other than the people that keep giving money to those companies.
The Adobe people have already said that they won't make their products compatible with Linux because there's no money to be made. They believe that linux users want everything free and/or pirated.
 
I think to many Linux users, OS choice is literally an ethos. Use of Linux and even choice of distro is something they have ego and sense of self tied up in.

Windows is just a host for the applications I use and I have zero interest in it beyond that. I don't spend my free time playing with it or tinkering with it or attempting to optimize it. There is an inverse correlation between how much I'm actively "using Windows" and how well my day is going.

Yeah, they'll even get in slapfights about Ubuntu not being "real" Linux or RedHat being "sellouts" (because they actually make and support enterprise-quality software instead of janky dogshit). There are people who use computers, and people who make them their identity. I use the platform I need to do the job I need to do. I've been using Linux for work for 15 years, but I'm not going to jump through hoops to get Windows games to run on it, because it turns out that having a job means I can afford a $50 license key. There is no good reason to use all this crap built on top of WINE unless either
  1. You are poor, you have to pirate all your games, and your PC was scraped together by sniping ebay deals
  2. You're an ideologue who refuses to do anything the easy way because COMMERCIAL OPERATING SYSTEM BAD
  3. You are somehow unable to navigate the four or five clicks needed to set Compatibility Mode for an old Win 7 game, yet you effortlessly handle issues that crop up with WINE.
If you actually want Linux for something (I'm all thumbs in a Windows dev environment, for example), WSL is now supported natively in Windows 11. Open up cmd, type "wsl --list --online," follow some instructions, and presto, you've got Windows and Linux on the same desktop, no need to dual-boot.

The Adobe people have already said that they won't make their products compatible with Linux because there's no money to be made. They believe that linux users want everything free and/or pirated.

They're not wrong. It's true about The Linux People, i.e. most people with Linux desktops at home, but there are plenty of business machines running RHEL or SLES that are loaded up with thousands and thousands of dollars' worth of commercial software. It's just all science & engineering applications; there's no Photoshop market there.
 
Reminds me about how I heard about how wonderful Raspberry Pis are for years, seeing entire websites and magazines dedicated to them, only to dive in it and find that most of what you can do with them, you can just do with an old PC anyway. They treat them like tiny general purpose computers you can use like a desktop, but the specs in even the RPi4 are very low-end, so they're miserable to use. They're best enjoyed as toy computers to give a kid who wants to learn about programming and robotics.
Well shit... that just reminded me that I DO have some experience with Linux. Most of my retro games are on an RPi3 running Retropie. It's kinda tedious trying to upload new firmware and integrate multi-disc playstation games. Single file games like NES. SNES, or Genesis games are easy enough to load though.
 
As Microsoft doubles down on the spyware and increasingly retarded UI and usability decisions, the ratio of "damn, that sucks, sorry you have to deal with that winbros" to "whatever, you deserve it" skews ever more towards the latter. At a certain point, you've made the decision to go along with Microsofts model. Ok, fine. But complaining when you get fucked by it becomes increasingly hilarious the more we move along Microsofts corporate strategy of Fisher-Price products but with spyware. At a certain point just biting the bullet, being a grown up and learning a new thing (Linux) becomes less time-consuming than making Microsofts bullshit workable. But no, can't do that. Can't have personal initiative.

I also don't want to hear a goddamn thing about Linux's terminal, when managing a Windows deployment of any kind becomes increasingly impossible without knowledge of Powershell, aka the only decent thing Microsoft has put out recently.
 
As Microsoft doubles down on the spyware and increasingly retarded UI and usability decisions, the ratio of "damn, that sucks, sorry you have to deal with that winbros" to "whatever, you deserve it" skews ever more towards the latter. At a certain point, you've made the decision to go along with Microsofts model. Ok, fine. But complaining when you get fucked by it becomes increasingly hilarious the more we move along Microsofts corporate strategy of Fisher-Price products but with spyware. At a certain point just biting the bullet, being a grown up and learning a new thing (Linux) becomes less time-consuming than making Microsofts bullshit workable. But no, can't do that. Can't have personal initiative.

I also don't want to hear a goddamn thing about Linux's terminal, when managing a Windows deployment of any kind becomes increasingly impossible without knowledge of Powershell, aka the only decent thing Microsoft has put out recently.

What sort of day-to-day desktop OS tasks did you find unacceptably difficult in Windows 11 that got smooth & easy when you switched to Linux?
 
I also don't want to hear a goddamn thing about Linux's terminal, when managing a Windows deployment of any kind becomes increasingly impossible without knowledge of Powershell, aka the only decent thing Microsoft has put out recently.
I can count on one hand the number of times I've opened Powershell. I've rarely looked up how to do even trivial tasks in Linux (take your pick of distro) that DIDN'T involve terminal commands.

Not that I'm terribly put off by using a command line if it's reasonably straightforward, but to pretend there's an equivalent amount of it in Windows is pure delusion. I mean, you're just writing fanfiction about what you imagine Windows to be like.
 
I used PowerShell to install OpenSSH in Windows 10 so that I could use VS Code on my Windows laptop with the actual compiling & testing done remotely on a Linux server node. That's about it. OpenSSH is native in Win 11, as is WSL. Even Android apps can install and run in Win 11. It's a much more all-around friendly environment for multi-platform use than Win 10.

The annoyances I have with Win 11:
  1. The hybrid Bing/App search bar. It's retarded. It's the stupidest thing created at Microsoft since Bob.
  2. RDP is only in Pro. I have a Win 11 Laptop and a Win 11 desktop, the fact I can't RDP from one to the other is gay. The feature is not worth spending $200 on Pro. RDP should be standard.
  3. Cross-device account sync just doesn't work very well compared to OSX, since the desktop usually has icons for locally installed apps. It very much feels like something that was patched onto idioms and structures that were built under the assumptions of the 00s, which is exactly what it is.
 
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