Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)

Western animation seems to be undergoing some anime-ification, having one main uniform style that people just edit off of. It makes sense as the 2010s got more and more filled with anime wannabes compared to any other decade. Artists are parroting the cheap chibi art style to write their, typically, magical girl show.

Other factors are just companies not funding animation and most show runners coming from the same clique. I can pull up the infamous Flapjack timeline, but it really does highlight how every big show from CN and Disney came from the same group of individuals. It is just a lot of writer stagnation and model sharing in an industry slowly being destroyed by higher ups.
The big problem is that generic anime still looks passable and chibi anime is stylised enough to be enjoyable. Calarts is just... ugly and plain, like a good contrast is Invader Zim is far more simplistic artistically but it's several times more recognizable, fun and nice to look at.

I think it's a matter of social cliques and a crab bucket, people who try to innovate and make pretty things don't survive art schools or is blacklisted, the only important thing is to be a fuckbody of someone at the top.
 
I’m of the belief that any art style or anything can be great if there’s a lot of care and effort put into it. SU gets a lot of shit for character models fluctuating episode to episode, but I’ve also seen a some really pretty and smooth animation come out of it. Hell, even Velma has some stand out animations when the animators go all in on the hallucinations.

The main problem is the vast majority tends to be cheap lazy copies of other popular shows that just makes the entire style seem like ass. I fully expect to see a lot of copies of Spiderverse/Puss in Boots animation style in the next few years that will make people sick of it.
 
And here we have another instance of the fans outdoing the multi-billion dollar corporation:

Archive, in case it gets taken down, which is extremely likely.
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Gave them a subscription, there's some genuinely admirable work there. It does taste heavily of Riverdale but charming despite that. Thanks for throwing it in.

The big problem is that generic anime still looks passable and chibi anime is stylised enough to be enjoyable. Calarts is just... ugly and plain, like a good contrast is Invader Zim is far more simplistic artistically but it's several times more recognizable, fun and nice to look at.

I think it's a matter of social cliques and a crab bucket, people who try to innovate and make pretty things don't survive art schools or is blacklisted, the only important thing is to be a fuckbody of someone at the top.
Calarts feels like there is no desire to improve. Generic anime at least makes the effort to do so as the years go by but with the Calarts you can almost feel them screaming that they will never change because an easy to replicate mould has been found and deviating is expensive.

Ended up not watching Gargoyles this weekend but instead giving some episodes of Amphibia a rewatch. I don't think the show will have a fanatical following in the future but I really do believe it deserves much more than the attention it got. Perhaps I'll be wrong and it will get some focus in the future but I doubt it. That said much like Gravity Falls if a DVD release does come out I will throw money. Though I'll hunt it down second hand rather than enable Disney directly.

This scene one sticks with me. Simple animation, no ludicrous effort in dialogue and done in less than a minute and a half but dealing with some heavy stuff and doing it well.

 
Apparently King Ramses "teeth" is actually his mouth, I always thought they were his teeth due to watching on CRT tv's.
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Kinda late but the new puss in boots movie was legitimately the most fun i've had watching any movie in years period, and seeing it come out of dreamworks just shows how disney/pixar has really shit the bed regarding movie quality.
I saw a few clips of it and noticed they do this thing where they'll selectively remove frames from the footage to make it appear slower. I don't know why you would want a slower framerate in a CG movie when going to higher FPS easily is a major advantage in using CG.
 
Seems people are freaking out about the Clone High leaks putting people's jobs in jeopardy.
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I actually saw more than a few minutes of the reboot, and it was just not good at all. There were no jokes to be made about this one, and there was also no Gandhi. What’s even worse about this is that the teenage version of Confucius is a purple haired jock that’s in the club for inviting the old Clone High characters to integrate with the New Age ones, yet he looks nothing like or talk like Confucius.
 
I actually saw more than a few minutes of the reboot, and it was just not good at all. There were no jokes to be made about this one, and there was also no Gandhi. What’s even worse about this is that the teenage version of Confucius is a purple haired jock that’s in the club for inviting the old Clone High characters to integrate with the New Age ones, yet he looks nothing like or talk like Confucius.
They should've made him a Daniel Dae-Kim clone in my opinion
 
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I actually saw more than a few minutes of the reboot, and it was just not good at all. There were no jokes to be made about this one, and there was also no Gandhi. What’s even worse about this is that the teenage version of Confucius is a purple haired jock that’s in the club for inviting the old Clone High characters to integrate with the New Age ones, yet he looks nothing like or talk like Confucius.
yeah out of the new "designs" of these historical figures, Confusious has got to be the worst. He shouldn't be this fat, turtle neck lookin zoomer mf. He was this average looking philosopher of his time, not some multicolored lookin dyke. Should've just made him look like the rest of the cast and not abide to make him fit in with the times of Current Year.
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Hasn't there been one?
Don’t reply to posts that are several years old.
I think it's a matter of social cliques and a crab bucket, people who try to innovate and make pretty things don't survive art schools or is blacklisted, the only important thing is to be a fuckbody of someone at the top.
I can see where you’re coming from.

To this day social cliques and crab bucket theory(crab mentality) remain a problem.

The whole "if I can't have it, neither can you", mentality where people in a group try to pull each other down out of spite, jealousy, resentment or competitive feelings, to halt their progress. But it usually results in the group’s collective downfall.
 
So I thought of breaking up the "woke ruins everything" train by sperging about something else.

You know what's another show where revivals never seem to get it right?

This little thing you may have heard of called....


While my favorite 1980s cartoon is He-Man, Thundercats is a close second. Fun music, fun adventures....

But what makes it fun is its overall premise. If you've never seen it, well, ask your dad to buy DVDs next time he's at Wal-Mart--the full series has been available for yonks now.

It takes a few episodes to get going though even the first four are showing some interesting stuff.

But basically, the eponymous Thundercats are the last survivors of Thundera, having got off just before it exploded, and thanks to their enemies the Mutants, they crash-land on Third Earth and are basically fucked with no choice but to set up shop. Now, Third Earth is implied to be Earth in the far future, so far past the apocalypse its come back around and become primitive again (think Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind after the bugs succeed in making most forests re-grow). There are anomalies everywhere which could, potentially, be because of past shit. And any other intelligent society the Cats find (and usually ally with) are a lone village with no clue if there's anything past that.

And this is what makes Thundercats interesting: Third Earth is an awesome setting. It's primitive, its mysterious, its dangerous. Exploring it is legitimately cool, but tempered by the knowledge that if Lion-O didn't carry around the Sword of Omens, the cats would probably be screwed.

And the show is good about highlighting some things about how this changes your priorities. For example, there's an episode where they meet a ghost obsessed with gold... but they don't even know what gold is, until they somehow get clued in and realize they have tons of the stuff... they kept thinking it was impurities in Thundrillium, a resource they are *actually* looking for, and were actually about to throw a ton of it out!

Getting back to the Sword of Omens... I love that thing. One fun aspect is watching each episode to see what new bullshit that sword will pull next. In fact its almost worth sitting through the final story arc just to see what the Sword pulls in the final episode (trust me, a lot of the impact is lost if you skip episodes or just have it spoiled for you).

And yes, Thundercats is one of the few eighties cartoons that actually has story arcs, continuity, and an actual ending.

It's not a perfect cartoon. The animation in season one is obviously on a budget, and for some reason all of Rankin-Bass' shows have this weird, stilted voice acting where its like everyone over-enunciates (its most noticable with Mumm-Ra, though you could argue in his case that its on purpose). It also has the usual eighties flaw of episodes that introduce lesser nobody villains that you don't care about... one of which also introduces a woman named Mandora the Evil Chaser, a sort of galactic cop. On that note one other issue I have is that the Thundercats are rarely ever challenged... I mean, okay, I just mentioned the Sword of Omens, but what I mean is there's a couple of major battles the Cats win without even having to put up a fight. The episode "The Last Day" is a good example.

But I can forgive these flaws, because Thundercats is a very unique cartoon. To this day there's never been another with its concepts and ideas, or even a close approximation.

This despite Thundercats getting a bunch of reboots.

The first one I heard of was a DC Comics take that went some of the usual Darker and Edgier routes. It retcons the ending so Mumm-Ra won and enslaved them all and Lion-O now fights as a gladiator in an arena....

Okay wait.... gladiator? Arena? There's actual societies now?

I never read this interpretation because... well frankly, if I wanted this kind of take, that's what Fanfiction.net is for. I wasn't interested in dark-and-edgy takes back then (to my mind the only franchise that ever had a dark and edgy take that actually worked is Lucky Luke) and its rare that I am nowadays. Especially from DC Comics where I know how it'll go.

But then there's the 201X Cartoon Network version.

I gotta be honest... I own the DVDs of this, and I caught it on its original broadcast. My exact feelings started out as pessimism but as the first episode (or two episodes) went on, I started to like it. I liked the second episode as well.

But I never got past the episode "Song of the Petelars."

I'll save my sperging for a later post, but just saying, "Song of the Petalars" is such a stupid story that it made me not even care to watch more. But thing is, this story would be stupid even if it were part of an original series and not a Thundercats reboot.

The big problem I have with this reboot as a whole is the fact that its now a fantasy adventure series about a party of heroes on a quest. So basically, Dragonlance Animated.

It's the same problem a lot of people have with things like Minecraft Dungeons or Minecraft Story Mode. It's like... what is even the point? You lost the part of the thing that made it interesting. Well okay, the Sword of Omens is still overpowered bullshit but I highly doubt the 201X version ever topped the sheer brilliant nonsense of the original.

And now I hear there's a new version called Thundercats Roar, which is apparently closer to the original concept... except its a comedy.

This is me facepalming.

Seriously, what about this is hard? Characters on a primitive world where civilization is only just getting past the hunter-gatherer stage, possibly kept down by an ancient sorcerer, and where the characters' only leg-up is some overpowered magic and whatever technology they could salvage from their wrecked ship.

Unpopular opinions, by the way: One, I actually like Snarf (his nephew from later in the show though, I could live without). I think Mumm-ra is cooler *before* he transforms into his muscular form... dude in a red cloak looks sinister, muscular dude... well he works but I look at red-cloak dude and I think "he's up to something."

Final unpopular opinion... I never hated the new characters that were introduced for the "Thundercats Ho" five-parter--Lynx-O, Pumyra, and Bengali. In fact I actually really like Bengali. and his hammer. There used to be a myth that every episode involved him fixing the sword of Omens... but the people who said that were on drugs. Also I really like the Luna-Taks, new villains introduced shortly after the new Thundercats. Unfortunately by the time they show up, the show is at its halfway point. Which kinda sucks... for me the episodes between "Thundercats Ho" and "The Last Day" are the shows' highest point.

Oh, and this is one of those cartoons that just casually drops a dark premise in one episode--the episode "Chain of Loyalty" basically outright says that all the Thundercats are only good because of brainwashing (except Lion-O, who apparently is naturally good). Seriously, just wow.

Anyway, I just thought I'd talk about a good cartoon to get everyone's spirits up.

EDIT: I also love the Ending Credits sequence. Seriously, for some reason seeing the camera pan across the desert with the red sky both takes me back to the past... and yet also makes me feel like I'm glimpsing into an unexplored world. It's like I'm a time-traveller and an archeologist at the same time.
 
Western animation is way better than Japanese
Wrong, both have their gems and absolute garbage
The west has gems like Teen Titans (2003), Batman: The Animated Series, and Avatar the Last Airbender
in terms of garbage you have Legend of Korra, Steven Universe, and Powerpuff Girls (2016)

Anime has gems like JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, Dragon Ball, and Mob Psycho
and in terms of garbage you have Dragon Ball GT, Berzerk (2016), and Ex Arm
to judge one side for quality while ignoring criticism for your side is quite dumb.
 
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