Microsoft is fucking butthurt no one wants Windows 11 so they're stopping the sale of Windows 10 licenses this month

I do so love how Linux nerds will deny and discredit and minimize the importance of everyone else's use case and workflow, but also fight decade-long holy wars over which forked distro of a forked distro of a forked distro is the best.
I just think you're overestimating how many people are similar to you in that they use software that's Windows-only. We can agree to disagree, I'm not an evangelist but I do think most normal end users would be fine if they switched to Linux, especially with how many "apps" are all online now.
 
The best feature of Windows 10 is Windows Subsystem for Linux. Using Windows for work, half the time I'm in WSL anyway. It's the only way for anyone who uses more than one type of VPN to not spend significant parts of the workday figuring out why their goddamn connections aren't working.

I'd love to see Crostini, the ChromeOS (best Linux desktop distro) equivalent, advance to deliver the same functionality.
 
Forget the dogshit that is Windows 11, let's talk about the beauty of Windows Vista.
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Vista was the reason I moved to linux and haven't looked back. Of course, I don't use Photoshop or any software that only works with windows but if I did I'd just run it in a VM.
Vista isn't as bad as people make it out to be, especially since Windows 7 is basically Vista with some changes here and there.

I never hated Windows until 8 released, and that was when it quickly shifted downhill. Windows 11 would end up making me switch to Linux.
 
Just set the registry key WeWontSpyOnYouWePromise to 1 and all is dandy. I never got that either. I always had the theory that microsoft spreads that shit itself and people who activate it probably get some additional telemetry targeted at more advanced users.
The Microsoft way is to constantly deprecate and replace the policies with other versions of those pinky swear promise we won't spy on you settings. The best is when they make it so you have to run an Enterprise SKU for the policy to work as expected too. (e.g. Turn off Microsoft consumer experiences and Allow Telemetry)
 
Let me guess: all the people that are complaining about Linix didn't RTFM and are blaming an OS for their own user errors? There are a lot of distros that are unstable and buggy as fuck, but as a person that uses Debian/Ubuntu for like 8 years now, I have never encountered a problem that wasn't my fault or couldn't be solved by some basic Googlefu, even when I just started using it. Sure, you could argue that's too much work in mantaining an OS but this happens extremely rarely on these mainline, wasy to install distros. It's one thing to say you don't want to use Linix because all of your worlflow is in Windows and MacOS. Don't blame the OS for your incompetance though. Many other people have found ways to get their systems working.
 
Apple has the highest market cap in the fuckin' world because it's too much of a hassle for most people to bother leaving their ecosystem that's designed to keep you in their walled garden. You can go to Android, but everything's a little different and you have to learn the quirks, and yes, that's a bridge too far for a seriously significant amount of people.

Shieet, man, 100 years ago you'd be calling people retards for looking at Esperanto and saying "lol I'm not learning that shit". There's just no tangible, clear-cut benefit. It never caught on. Linux won't catch on for home use until there's enough benefit for laptops to start commonly shipping with them as opposed to Windows. In a world where average people find the jump from iOS to Android is a bridge too far, how the hell do you think an OS where you're expected to know how to compile from source from the get go is supposed to catch on? How much free time and willpower to relearn something do you think the entire rest of the planet has?
Oh shit, I almost completely forgot about Esperanto! 🤣 I vaguely remember all the progressive faggots 10-15 years ago trying to push this as some sort of revolutionary easy to use new language that anyone can pick up and we would all be speaking it in no time! As if it was some sort of trial run for the globohomo push. All it sounded like to me was some kind of SJW virtue signaling while trying to sound cultured and intelligent.... and coming across as if they were speaking with down's syndrome. 🤣

And as far as the back and forth between Android and iOS, in the end they both are heavily tweaked Linux distros anyway. Well, Linux-like UNIX in iOS' case. In the mobile device market, a cumbersome and tedious OS is counterproductive, a lesson that Microsoft had to learn the hard way. The difference there, and my argument, and I think probably many others when it comes to the Windows vs Linux back and forth, is compatibility and ease of use. There are Office, Excel, Adobe, and various other proprietary software that "don't work with Linux" that you can get off of an Android app store right now, that work just fine with the Linux-based android operating systems. The difference between those and the PC versions is that the software developers realize that there is potential for growth and success in a market where roughly 70% of the smart phone market is android based vs somewhere in the 5% of home computers run some sort of Linux based OS, with unknown compatibility issues with common hardware and software.

Like I said before, when one type of operation system has ~75% of the PC market, of course the vast majority of software will be designed to work with it natively. And as someone else said, despite their walled garden and Locked-Down-For-Tards design philosophy, the slick integration of all of the Apple devices and how they can interface together almost flawlessly is clever. Despite the very limited cross-compatibility between Apple and Android systems, both are successful. And they're both large enough players in the market that the Android vs. Apple battle is a constant meme. A couple hundred basement dwellers sperging about their Very Special™️ Linux distro that's "Just like Windows, but better!" and "so simple that your 80 year old grandma can figure it out in 20 seconds, while hacking the CIA!", meanwhile their dirty secret is that you can't run industry standard software like Office or Excel without WINE or a VM. And some stuff just plain wont work, or arbitrarily crashes for no reason. 🤷‍♂️
 
Let me guess: all the people that are complaining about Linix didn't RTFM and are blaming an OS for their own user errors? There are a lot of distros that are unstable and buggy as fuck, but as a person that uses Debian/Ubuntu for like 8 years now, I have never encountered a problem that wasn't my fault or couldn't be solved by some basic Googlefu, even when I just started using it. Sure, you could argue that's too much work in mantaining an OS but this happens extremely rarely on these mainline, wasy to install distros. It's one thing to say you don't want to use Linix because all of your worlflow is in Windows and MacOS. Don't blame the OS for your incompetance though. Many other people have found ways to get their systems working.

Just for clarity and because no one here will RTFM anyway, is 8 year of experience in something as challenging as Ubuntu desktop considered grey wizard or full blown white wizard territory?
 
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Just for clarity and because no one here will RTFM anyway, is 8 year of experience in something as challenging as Ubuntu desktop considered grey wizard or full blown white wizard territory?
I wouldn't say I'm an expert at using Linux as I mostly use it for programming, games and basically regular desktop use, but basic problem solving skills go a long way when diagnosing any problem on Linux.
 
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The best feature of Windows 10 is Windows Subsystem for Linux. Using Windows for work, half the time I'm in WSL anyway. It's the only way for anyone who uses more than one type of VPN to not spend significant parts of the workday figuring out why their goddamn connections aren't working.

I'd love to see Crostini, the ChromeOS (best Linux desktop distro) equivalent, advance to deliver the same functionality.

WSL is native in Windows 11, and so is support for Android apps (just in case you can't live for five minutes without playing a Unity-based tower defense game). It's kind of ironic that in 2023, it's easier to use Linux-native applications under Windows than it is to use Windows-native applications under Linux.

With the planned obsolescence of Windows PCs and laptops older than 8th gen Intel

Win 10 EOL is at the end of 2025, at which point 7th gen Intel will be almost 9 years old.
 
Just for clarity and because no one here will RTFM anyway, is 8 year of experience in something as challenging as Ubuntu desktop considered grey wizard or full blown white wizard territory?
Ubuntu competence is about as exciting to people as Tide-pod-eating competence. Pick literally any other distribution and there's more wizardry associated with it, save maybe Linux Mint.

If you're using a distro with .DEB files that isn't Debian, you're in the filter, save maybe Kali/special-purpose-Linuxes.
 
WSL is native in Windows 11, and so is support for Android apps (just in case you can't live for five minutes without playing a Unity-based tower defense game). It's kind of ironic that in 2023, it's easier to use Linux-native applications under Windows than it is to use Windows-native applications under Linux.
But WSL is something only autistic nerds would use, WSL 2 just lets you set up linux virtual machines using a hypervisor. This has come full circle to just running programs on the operating systems they were designed for.
 
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Vista isn't as bad as people make it out to be, especially since Windows 7 is basically Vista with some changes here and there.

I never hated Windows until 8 released, and that was when it quickly shifted downhill. Windows 11 would end up making me switch to Linux.
Vista was full of retarded decisions. Like optimizing it for hardware (hybrid drives - HDDs with SSD cache) no one has.
 
Imagine that.
Right, which was said previously in the thread as a way to get the best of both worlds within software limitations and decried. Trying to flip it to say "oh but you can run linux programs on Windows via a virtual machine" plays right into "Just use a Windows VM to run [thing]."

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Just saw this in my subs. Doing a basic comparison of Windows telemetry.
It's not surprising or enlightening but for those who want an actual, simple verification that is also easy to replicate there ya go. I'm sure there are much more in depth videos out there using sysinternals and the like to identify specifics.
 
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Right, which was said previously in the thread as a way to get the best of both worlds within software limitations and decried.

Yes, decried by spergs who insisted you should just use GIMP instead of Photoshop and fuck around with Wine for your games, because the alternative is paying Microsoft something like fifty dollars (easy to get Win 11 on discount).

I've been an advocate of using Linux for things you need Linux for (which for most home users is nothing), and Windows for things you need Windows for, rather than trying to constantly hack together some bespoke solution out of FOSS and pirated software, since the beginning.
 
Linux trannies should really write a compatibility layer for it instead of pretending FOSS creative software is worth its salt at all.
They were too busy being upset at the name GIMP. They forked the program, made a Photoshop skin then abandoned the project because nobody was giving them money.
 
Let me guess: all the people that are complaining about Linix didn't RTFM and are blaming an OS for their own user errors? There are a lot of distros that are unstable and buggy as fuck, but as a person that uses Debian/Ubuntu for like 8 years now, I have never encountered a problem that wasn't my fault or couldn't be solved by some basic Googlefu, even when I just started using it. Sure, you could argue that's too much work in mantaining an OS but this happens extremely rarely on these mainline, wasy to install distros. It's one thing to say you don't want to use Linix because all of your worlflow is in Windows and MacOS. Don't blame the OS for your incompetance though. Many other people have found ways to get their systems working.
Linux will literally not run software I use. Lord Almighty I'd rather discuss computers with the kind of people that try to form castes over iOS vs. Android.
 
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