Welfare

[The Dude]

So, not sure if someone already did this because there's already thirty-five pages, but I did the math on these purchases.

The high school is $50 and I believe he said there's eight of them?
The riding camp is a whopping $100.
Olivia's house is $75.
The dance class doesn't seem to be on Lego, but the karate class one is $10 so I'll guess they're the same. He bought two.

Not including taxes, but maybe he got a few of them on sale, this high school in its fundamentals cost the taxpayers $595. Almost six hundred dollars on Lego designed for young children.

Let that shit soak in.

Your tax dollars at work folks. NASA? Missile Defense? Feeding the starving? Housing the homeless? Paying our soldiers better and making sure their spouses and kids are taken care of by the VA if the soldier dies (a big one for me)? Funding our schools (Mrs. Dude is a middle school teacher, so this one really pisses me off)? Prisons and law enforcement (my Dad was in law enforcement, so another big one for me)? FUCK ALL THAT! A fat autistic man needs his fucking LEGOs!

 

[c-no]

So, not sure if someone already did this because there's already thirty-five pages, but I did the math on these purchases.

The high school is $50 and I believe he said there's eight of them?
The riding camp is a whopping $100.
Olivia's house is $75.
The dance class doesn't seem to be on Lego, but the karate class one is $10 so I'll guess they're the same. He bought two.

Not including taxes, but maybe he got a few of them on sale, this high school in its fundamentals cost the taxpayers $595. Almost six hundred dollars on Lego designed for young children.

Let that shit soak in.

Your tax dollars at work folks. NASA? Missile Defense? Feeding the starving? Housing the homeless? Paying our soldiers better and making sure their spouses and kids are taken care of by the VA if the soldier dies (a big one for me)? Funding our schools (Mrs. Dude is a middle school teacher, so this one really pisses me off)? Prisons and law enforcement (my Dad was in law enforcement, so another big one for me)? FUCK ALL THAT! A fat autistic man needs his fucking LEGOs!

Yes, let's have the tax dollars fuel the of a thirty-one year old man who will spend it on Lego play-sets rather than on things that are important. Let's get this man his Lego's, the schools and soldiers don't need funding at all *sarcasm*.

 

[Silver]

Your tax dollars at work folks. NASA? Missile Defense? Feeding the starving? Housing the homeless? Paying our soldiers better and making sure their spouses and kids are taken care of by the VA if the soldier dies (a big one for me)? Funding our schools (Mrs. Dude is a middle school teacher, so this one really pisses me off)? Prisons and law enforcement (my Dad was in law enforcement, so another big one for me)? FUCK ALL THAT! A fat autistic man needs his fucking LEGOs!

Yes, let's have the tax dollars fuel the of a thirty-one year old man who will spend it on Lego play-sets rather than on things that are important. Let's get this man his Lego's, the schools and soldiers don't need funding at all *sarcasm*.

Okay, that's not fair. It's not the government's fault that Chris has absolutely no idea how to use his tugboat. It's Borb's for not teaching him properly, as well as for using his autism to excuse him from many things that would otherwise be expected of him (the court-mandated psychiatry, for instance) and for raising him to a point where he now *needs* the welfare because there's no way now that Chris would be able to work. I really hate the way the US government works, but I'm also a huge supporter of welfare, so while yes I'm pissed that taxpayer dollars are going towards these Lego (and of course vidya) he's buying, I also know that that's gonna happen when the way welfare works is that taxpayer money pays people who aren't able to work. There's no way the government could keep tabs on every single person with welfare (I mean, actively, like studying the worth of what they do with their lives and money), and Chris is far from the only person abusing the system - and hell, he's not doing it to scam the system so much as because he wasn't taught a better way to live.

 

[The Dude]

Your tax dollars at work folks. NASA? Missile Defense? Feeding the starving? Housing the homeless? Paying our soldiers better and making sure their spouses and kids are taken care of by the VA if the soldier dies (a big one for me)? Funding our schools (Mrs. Dude is a middle school teacher, so this one really pisses me off)? Prisons and law enforcement (my Dad was in law enforcement, so another big one for me)? FUCK ALL THAT! A fat autistic man needs his fucking LEGOs!

Yes, let's have the tax dollars fuel the of a thirty-one year old man who will spend it on Lego play-sets rather than on things that are important. Let's get this man his Lego's, the schools and soldiers don't need funding at all *sarcasm*.

Okay, that's not fair. It's not the government's fault that Chris has absolutely no idea how to use his tugboat. It's Borb's for not teaching him properly, as well as for using his autism to excuse him from many things that would otherwise be expected of him (the court-mandated psychiatry, for instance) and for raising him to a point where he now *needs* the welfare because there's no way now that Chris would be able to work. I really hate the way the US government works, but I'm also a huge supporter of welfare, so while yes I'm pissed that taxpayer dollars are going towards these Lego (and of course vidya) he's buying, I also know that that's gonna happen when the way welfare works is that taxpayer money pays people who aren't able to work. There's no way the government could keep tabs on every single person with welfare (I mean, actively, like studying the worth of what they do with their lives and money), and Chris is far from the only person abusing the system - and hell, he's not doing it to scam the system so much as because he wasn't taught a better way to live.

Yeah? Well, y'know, that's just like, uh...your opinion, man. Please explain why my money, which I earned, has to go to people who squander it? Why am I and every other tax payer responsible for these people? Because they're "special"? Is that why they get to live off of my back? Fuck that noise, man. I wasn't raised that way. I was raised to either sink or swim. You either make it or you don't and if you don't make it you sure as hell don't drag other people down with you. People like Chris are the most selfish, entitled people I know. They don't respect you or have any gratitude for what you're providing them. They see it as free money, and it is. You don't earn that money just because you're mentally defective.

 

[Kosher Dill]

@ The Dude
The way I see it: his tugboat is much cheaper than a prison cell or a bed in the ICU, which is where he'd inevitably end up without it. Instead, he's jailing himself for only $12K a year. It's still a disgrace, but it's the best bargain we're going to get, given that we don't let people literally die in the streets anymore.

 

[CWCissey]

Yeah? Well, y'know, that's just like, uh...your opinion, man. Please explain why my money, which I earned, has to go to people who squander it? Why am I and every other tax payer responsible for these people? Because they're "special"? Is that why they get to live off of my back? Fuck that noise, man. I wasn't raised that way. I was raised to either sink or swim. You either make it or you don't and if you don't make it you sure as hell don't drag other people down with you. People like Chris are the most selfish, entitled people I know. They don't respect you or have any gratitude for what you're providing them. They see it as free money, and it is. You don't earn that money just because you're mentally defective.

I agree! I may be a massive supporter of the welfare state AS A SAFETY NET and nothing more! Recently some chav slag who's never worked a day in her life got a £600,000 super house made for her and her litter because she can't keep her legs closed. Does that sound fair?

If you can work, do it. If you can't find work, do something useful with your time to EARN your keep. Like perhaps volunteering with those who ACTUALLY deserve handouts.

 

[Silver]

Yeah? Well, y'know, that's just like, uh...your opinion, man. Please explain why my money, which I earned, has to go to people who squander it? Why am I and every other tax payer responsible for these people? Because they're "special"? Is that why they get to live off of my back? Fuck that noise, man. I wasn't raised that way. I was raised to either sink or swim. You either make it or you don't and if you don't make it you sure as hell don't drag other people down with you. People like Chris are the most selfish, entitled people I know. They don't respect you or have any gratitude for what you're providing them. They see it as free money, and it is. You don't earn that money just because you're mentally defective.

Well, I think we have different views on the subject from the get-go so all I can say is, agree to disagree? I could try and explain my viewpoint better but I really don't want to end up derailing the thread.

 

[The Dude]

@ The Dude
The way I see it: his tugboat is much cheaper than a prison cell or a bed in the ICU, which is where he'd inevitably end up without it. Instead, he's jailing himself for only $12K a year. It's still a disgrace, but it's the best bargain we're going to get, given that we don't let people literally die in the streets anymore.

If he was jailed or in a ward somewhere he wouldn't be free to harass business owners, run over innocent people trying to protect their businesses, vandalize other peoples' property, mooch free wi-fi and take up TWO FUCKING TABLES with his LEGO hugbox at local eateries, or back his POS Caddy into other peoples' vehicles. I'd much rather my tax dollars going to PROTECT innocent people from his idiocy than it going to making Baby Huey happy for five minutes with material possessions and have him free to terrorize the good people of Virginia.

But, y'know, that's just my opinion, man.

 

[DykesDykesChina]

@ The Dude
The way I see it: his tugboat is much cheaper than a prison cell or a bed in the ICU, which is where he'd inevitably end up without it. Instead, he's jailing himself for only $12K a year. It's still a disgrace, but it's the best bargain we're going to get, given that we don't let people literally die in the streets anymore.

I think that people who cannot work (e.g. very low-functioning autistics) have a right to be supported by the community. So has anyone who has lost his/her job (it's not always their own fault) and is looking for a new one.

Okay, I know: Chris probably IS able to work and he's not at all looking for employment. If his tugboat was taken away, he'd probably starve... I don't want that, I don't think anyone deserves to starve in the street. But I also think that some sort of employment would be the best that could happen to Chris - not even primarily for economic reasons, but for him personality-wise (social interaction, sense of accomplishment, etc). He won't look for a job by himself. As I said, a professional carer would be great.

 

[The Dude]

@ The Dude
The way I see it: his tugboat is much cheaper than a prison cell or a bed in the ICU, which is where he'd inevitably end up without it. Instead, he's jailing himself for only $12K a year. It's still a disgrace, but it's the best bargain we're going to get, given that we don't let people literally die in the streets anymore.

I think that people who cannot work (e.g. very low-functioning autistics) have a right to be supported by the community. So has anyone who has lost his/her job (it's not always their own fault) and is looking for a new one.

Okay, I know: Chris probably IS able to work and he's not at all looking for employment. If his tugboat was taken away, he'd probably starve... I don't want that, I don't think anyone deserves to starve in the street. But I also think that some sort of employment would be the best that could happen to Chris - not even primarily for economic reasons, but for him personality-wise (social interaction, sense of accomplishment, etc). He won't look for a job by himself. As I said, a professional carer would be great.

You want to help those people out? Fine. More power to you. There are several churches and other charities you can donate your own money to. Welfare is forced, tax payer funded charity. You get no choice as to where your money goes. Is it sad that person has mental impairments? Is it sad that person lost their job? Sure it is. Help them if you want. Just don't force me to do it because of some bullshit, feel-good "civic duty, communal responsibility" nonsense. I don't owe those people a damn thing. Like I said, you don't automatically deserve money because you're down on your luck or a mental defective. I've lost jobs before and no one gave me a fucking thing. I went back out and found another fucking job.

 

[QI 541]

Okay, I know: Chris probably IS able to work and he's not at all looking for employment. If his tugboat was taken away, he'd probably starve... I don't want that, I don't think anyone deserves to starve in the street.

I'm not so sure about that. Chris gets welfare because he's disabled, not because he's poor. Considering how much he spends on toys and crap, I'm not sure he needs it to survive.

Help them if you want. Just don't force me to do it because of some bullshit, feel-good "civic duty, communal responsibility" nonsense.

You're forced to do it because it's necessary for society to function. Whether you choose to feel good about it is up to you.

 

[PvtRichardCranium]

The only reason I'm on disability is because if I'm not on disability than I lose access to Medicaid and then I can't afford my meds and then I go crazy and then I get a bunch of teenage girls praising me for shooting up a movie theater or something. I use it to pay bills and buy groceries because my job doesn't pay enough to do either of that. Sure, if I didn't have the job I'd be getting the full 800 or so dollars or whatever, but I don't just want to sit on my ass all day and do nothing, plus I can't live off of 800 a month. Do I want to be on welfare? Not really. I could get a better job that would pay a lot more money, or work more hours on the job I work now to get more money, but if I do that, I can't have meds because my disability is the only thing that qualifies me for my meds, which are REALLY FUCKING EXPENSIVE because they're the kind of meds that druggies use to kill themselves with superduper mind blowing trips. So yeah, I feel like shit because I can't afford to keep myself from going completely fucking insane without government assistance.

Chris doesn't feel any remorse and he doesn't even need the social security! He uses the welfare he doesn't even need to buy Legos and video games. He doesn't need it for medication! It's people like him that make people like The Dude hate people like me!

Chris needs to die in a fire.

 

[Marvin]

@ The Dude
The way I see it: his tugboat is much cheaper than a prison cell or a bed in the ICU, which is where he'd inevitably end up without it. Instead, he's jailing himself for only $12K a year. It's still a disgrace, but it's the best bargain we're going to get, given that we don't let people literally die in the streets anymore.

I think that people who cannot work (e.g. very low-functioning autistics) have a right to be supported by the community. So has anyone who has lost his/her job (it's not always their own fault) and is looking for a new one.

Okay, I know: Chris probably IS able to work and he's not at all looking for employment. If his tugboat was taken away, he'd probably starve... I don't want that, I don't think anyone deserves to starve in the street. But I also think that some sort of employment would be the best that could happen to Chris - not even primarily for economic reasons, but for him personality-wise (social interaction, sense of accomplishment, etc). He won't look for a job by himself. As I said, a professional carer would be great.

You want to help those people out? Fine. More power to you. There are several churches and other charities you can donate your own money to. Welfare is forced, tax payer funded charity. You get no choice as to where your money goes. Is it sad that person has mental impairments? Is it sad that person lost their job? Sure it is. Help them if you want. Just don't force me to do it because of some bullshit, feel-good "civic duty, communal responsibility" nonsense. I don't owe those people a damn thing. Like I said, you don't automatically deserve money because you're down on your luck or a mental defective. I've lost jobs before and no one gave me a fucking thing. I went back out and found another fucking job.

But... without centralized, public services, you wouldn't be able to have private property in the first place. There are tons of federal services that everyone benefits from, things like the interstate highway system. Ultimately, at the end of the day, I don't feel bad about taxing people and using that tax for the greater good.

Okay, I know: Chris probably IS able to work and he's not at all looking for employment. If his tugboat was taken away, he'd probably starve... I don't want that, I don't think anyone deserves to starve in the street.

I'm not so sure about that. Chris gets welfare because he's disabled, not because he's poor. Considering how much he spends on toys and crap, I'm not sure he needs it to survive.

Well, Chris' financials are kind of tricky. He spends a lot of money on credit. Ultimately, if Chris lost the tugboat, it'd be up to Barb to support them and whether or not they'll be able to survive, things will at least be a lot harder for them.

 

[sparklemilhouse]

@ The Dude
The way I see it: his tugboat is much cheaper than a prison cell or a bed in the ICU, which is where he'd inevitably end up without it. Instead, he's jailing himself for only $12K a year. It's still a disgrace, but it's the best bargain we're going to get, given that we don't let people literally die in the streets anymore.

I think that people who cannot work (e.g. very low-functioning autistics) have a right to be supported by the community. So has anyone who has lost his/her job (it's not always their own fault) and is looking for a new one.

Okay, I know: Chris probably IS able to work and he's not at all looking for employment. If his tugboat was taken away, he'd probably starve... I don't want that, I don't think anyone deserves to starve in the street. But I also think that some sort of employment would be the best that could happen to Chris - not even primarily for economic reasons, but for him personality-wise (social interaction, sense of accomplishment, etc). He won't look for a job by himself. As I said, a professional carer would be great.

You want to help those people out? Fine. More power to you. There are several churches and other charities you can donate your own money to. Welfare is forced, tax payer funded charity. You get no choice as to where your money goes. Is it sad that person has mental impairments? Is it sad that person lost their job? Sure it is. Help them if you want. Just don't force me to do it because of some bullshit, feel-good "civic duty, communal responsibility" nonsense. I don't owe those people a damn thing. Like I said, you don't automatically deserve money because you're down on your luck or a mental defective. I've lost jobs before and no one gave me a fucking thing. I went back out and found another fucking job.

and this is why I have you on my ignore list.

 

[Suloxide]

Re: YT 11/05/13 - Lego Manchester High Video

@ The Dude
The way I see it: his tugboat is much cheaper than a prison cell or a bed in the ICU, which is where he'd inevitably end up without it. Instead, he's jailing himself for only $12K a year. It's still a disgrace, but it's the best bargain we're going to get, given that we don't let people literally die in the streets anymore.

If he was jailed or in a ward somewhere he wouldn't be free to harass business owners, run over innocent people trying to protect their businesses, vandalize other peoples' property, mooch free wi-fi and take up TWO FUCKING TABLES with his LEGO hugbox at local eateries, or back his POS Caddy into other peoples' vehicles. I'd much rather my tax dollars going to PROTECT innocent people from his idiocy than it going to making Baby Huey happy for five minutes with material possessions and have him free to terrorize the good people of Virginia.

But, y'know, that's just my opinion, man.

I don't see how minor vandalism of a store display and taking up two tables at a McDonalds is terrorizing people. Realistically if you plan on doing business, it's inevitable that you're going to run into someone like Chris. The people I encounter while working graveyard at a 7-11 make Chris' antics look childish, interestingly if Chris was a body of work he would be Sonichu and the crap I got during graveyard would be the Mona Lisa.
Nobody at McDonalds cares that he's there with Legos, they'd care if he was actually harassing other people but just doing that video doesn't matter to any of them.
The only person that had to worry was Snyder and look where that landed Chris.

 

[Burning Love]

@ The Dude
The way I see it: his tugboat is much cheaper than a prison cell or a bed in the ICU, which is where he'd inevitably end up without it. Instead, he's jailing himself for only $12K a year. It's still a disgrace, but it's the best bargain we're going to get, given that we don't let people literally die in the streets anymore.

I think that people who cannot work (e.g. very low-functioning autistics) have a right to be supported by the community. So has anyone who has lost his/her job (it's not always their own fault) and is looking for a new one.

Okay, I know: Chris probably IS able to work and he's not at all looking for employment. If his tugboat was taken away, he'd probably starve... I don't want that, I don't think anyone deserves to starve in the street. But I also think that some sort of employment would be the best that could happen to Chris - not even primarily for economic reasons, but for him personality-wise (social interaction, sense of accomplishment, etc). He won't look for a job by himself. As I said, a professional carer would be great.

You want to help those people out? Fine. More power to you. There are several churches and other charities you can donate your own money to. Welfare is forced, tax payer funded charity. You get no choice as to where your money goes. Is it sad that person has mental impairments? Is it sad that person lost their job? Sure it is. Help them if you want. Just don't force me to do it because of some bullshit, feel-good "civic duty, communal responsibility" nonsense. I don't owe those people a damn thing. Like I said, you don't automatically deserve money because you're down on your luck or a mental defective. I've lost jobs before and no one gave me a fucking thing. I went back out and found another fucking job.

I nominate this for worst post of the year.

Jobbychu's gonna have to try harder next time. The bar has been lowered.

 

[The Dude]

Marvin, there is a huge difference between taxes going to roads and public services that everyone uses and people who sit on their ass all day building LEGO hugboxes, playing vidya, or just happened to shit out a few kids and dropped out of school. One is the greater good because it benefits everyone, one is just twselfish and lazy. I have no problem having my money go to schools, roads, national parks, the military, law enforcement, or EMS and fire fighters. Giving free money that someone else earned to someone that does nothing to benefit society is not the greater good.

And I'm done with my welfare ranting.

Sparklemillhouse, I'm honored to be on your ignore list.

 

[Mitsunari]

Where I come from, welfare is widespread and given to people in exchange for votes, since those in power want to stay in power. We still live.

 

[Null]

I would gladly give a billionth of every penny I earn to Chris if I didn't have to give a twentieth of it to blowing up brown people.

 

[IanBrannanSOMETHING]

Marvin, there is a huge difference between taxes going to roads and public services that everyone uses and people who sit on their ass all day building LEGO hugboxes, playing vidya, or just happened to shit out a few kids and dropped out of school. One is the greater good because it benefits everyone, one is just twselfish and lazy. I have no problem having my money go to schools, roads, national parks, the military, law enforcement, or EMS and fire fighters. Giving free money that someone else earned to someone that does nothing to benefit society is not the greater good.

And I'm done with my welfare ranting.

Sparklemillhouse, I'm honored to be on your ignore list.

...Wow. So basically people with actual severe mental handicaps, or people with serious illnesses, or debilitating disabilities don't deserve to be able to live? People who in no way could hold down a job through no fault of their own shouldn't be able to have a roof over their heads or food put in front of them?

I agree that spongers are the worst type of tax drain but don't tar everyone with the same brush.