Welfare

[More Spicey Than Coolwhip]

If you make over a certain amount of money they cancel your state provided insurance. Then you have no insurance unless you buy it. The way it is set up, you practically have to double your income to get by.

Work a job part time and get SSI/RSDI and income is close to a full time job. Except you can get free insurance due to earned income being below a certain amount. Go full time and abandon SSI though, and you have to buy insurance at a high price, and while you work more, net income is substantially less due to insurance cost. It makes it hard for people to get off the stuff.

If I were to have any say on welfare reform, this is where I would start. When it starts costing people more to actually get a job than to just stay suckling off of government checks as a sole source of income there is an issue. I'd be for the expansion of welfare to supplement low income earners for the purpose of transitioning people off of a solely state-dependent lifestyle.

In theory the cost of this expansion could be offset by the number of people transitioning off full dependence to the supplemental income. Granted, there would still be some lazy assholes who would prefer to live off handouts, but it would be a start.

 

[ICametoLurk]

lol how you find this ancient as fuck thread

 

[More Spicey Than Coolwhip]

Up way too late and randomly browsing the threads while my mind is already halfway to the bed.

also :autism:

 

[ES 148]

Up way too late and randomly browsing the threads while my mind is already halfway to the bed.

also :autism:

You should get to sleep, then.
Not trying to be bossy, I'm just concerned for your welfare.

now all I need to do is wait for positive ratings to flood in

 

[Duke Nukem]

If I were to have any say on welfare reform, this is where I would start. When it starts costing people more to actually get a job than to just stay suckling off of government checks as a sole source of income there is an issue. I'd be for the expansion of welfare to supplement low income earners for the purpose of transitioning people off of a solely state-dependent lifestyle.

In theory the cost of this expansion could be offset by the number of people transitioning off full dependence to the supplemental income. Granted, there would still be some lazy assholes who would prefer to live off handouts, but it would be a start.

But that would take work on the lawmakers' part. That's why it will probably never happen. Plus, gotta keep the poor poor so they continue to vote Democrat, not out of loyalty, but out of fear that the evil Republicans will take their precious entitlements away.

 

[nice]

Wouldn't it be wonderful that in this day and age where e-funding is so popular, people could decide where their money is going (and just how much of it) to individual cases instead of having it decided by the government?

As OP started with Chris, let's use him as an example: his patreon currently nets him $209 per month. That is what the charitable people have decided he is worth in total. That's several hundred dollars lower than what the government had decided to give him.
Chris is also offering things in return for their generosity via patreon tier rewards, much unlike what he could've done on welfare (funding Japanese game companies do not count imo).

For better or for worse, the market has made their decision knowing who Chris is and what he has done/is doing to earn those kindbux. This is the result.


Communities should not be forced to pay for something or someone that they do not agree are worthy of their hard-earned money.
If only the people were able to see how many there are abusing welfare while others far more deserving are left out, they would also be fighting for more private control over the benefits system.

 

[Pikimon]

Wouldn't it be wonderful that in this day and age where e-funding is so popular, people could decide where their money is going (and just how much of it) to individual cases instead of having it decided by the government?

E-funding is retarded because it funds a lot of really really dumb projects that are shit.

When you give people the choice, they'll throw 600k of their money to pay a man to make potato salad.

 

[Morose_Obesity]

My life often brings me into contact with professional welfare leeches. I drift in and out of poverty, one year I'm brainwashing people to buy some companies shinies (I'm manipulative, makes me a good freelance ad guy. I even appeared in some in house productions you'll never see) the next I'm fucking working at the mall and going to community meetings for the free pizza and scamming apps that earn gift cards and working events mainly for the leftover beer and food.Yep, I really care about that zoning change bullshit. Om nom nom. I couldn't get any work for the Pride parade this year and I'm kinda sick of seeing oily buff men for awhile anyway.
One month I may use a food pantry, the next I'm volunteering in it. It's fucked but I only take handouts when I have to.
I have a background in mental health (that's why I'm an asshole) but these days running a Taco Bell pays more and is less degrading. Haven't resorted to it in 15 years but it'll probably happen. I'm fucking fed up with the corruption. There are assholes worse than Chris, they blow their whole tugboats on drugs and smokes. My recent volunteer shift at a food bank featured old polocks snatching food out of each other's carts and the poor man's Deniro picking a fight with an old Filipino lady over a place in line. You haven't lived until you've seen a guy who looks like this try to throw a tantrum over nearly-rotten produce.

 

[Meat_Puppet]

About 10 years ago my aunt was diagnosed with lung cancer and ended up bed ridden until the day she died. She had 4 kids whom she had supported on her own and was damn proud of it. The moment her doctors told her she was no longer able to work and had to stay home she had to hold back her pride and ended up filling for SSI. It took her almost a year and a half to finally qualify after having to go through so much crap with the government. So to see peices of shit like Chris receiving a government check really pisses me off. Seriously fatty, go find a job.

 

[Piss Clam]

About 10 years ago my aunt was diagnosed with lung cancer and ended up bed ridden until the day she died. She had 4 kids whom she had supported on her own and was damn proud of it. The moment her doctors told her she was no longer able to work and had to stay home she had to hold back her pride and ended up filling for SSI. It took her almost a year and a half to finally qualify after having to go through so much crap with the government. So to see peices of shit like Chris receiving a government check really pisses me off. Seriously fatty, go find a job.

I use to drive people to the DHR. In five minutes they would get 200 dollars in food stamps and a 20 dollar gas card.

But...

Filling out SSI forms is a nightmare, there is no way a mentally ill person could do it let alone your aunt with cancer.

 

[Meat_Puppet]

I use to drive people to the DHR. In five minutes they would get 200 dollars in food stamps and a 20 dollar gas card.

But...

Filling out SSI forms is a nightmare, there is no way a mentally ill person could do it let alone your aunt with cancer.

See I have zero issues with there being someone with a mental disorder that would restrict them from working with the public being on SSI. But then you get people like Chris who abuse the shit out of it when there are others who desperately need to be able to take care of themselves and their families and it's so unfair.

 

[nice]

E-funding is exceptional because it funds a lot of really really dumb projects that are shit.

When you give people the choice, they'll throw 600k of their money to pay a man to make potato salad.

People spend money on dumb shit all the time. The critical difference here is that it's voluntarily given as opposed to being distributed unwillingly by the government.

 

[Piss Clam]

See I have zero issues with there being someone with a mental disorder that would restrict them from working with the public being on SSI. But then you get people like Chris who abuse the shit out of it when there are others who desperately need to be able to take care of themselves and their families and it's so unfair.

Yes that is a problem. You know the average time for SSI is shameful:

https://www.ssa.gov/appeals/DataSets/01_NetStat_Report.html

It's all these people clogging up the system and most of them don't have a case, and then some get the kickbacks between Judges and Lawyers.

I believe if I recall lawyers can only claim 20% of it, but if you have the inside road with a judge then you can claim, wad with SSDI and even get a decent payout on SSI for one meeting.

There was a guy who's mother was clearly disabled and he had spent seven years applying. I don't know what happened to him, but that was years ago.

The thing is also that people who have spent decades paying into the system get shutout by the same system.

Maybe we should pay off what we owe, then allow people to pay into some type of IRA from early life and it will stop these abuses.

You only get what you paid into the system.