Welfare

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raymond said:
The Dude said:
If someone legitimately needs it, they are so crippled or mentally handicapped that there is no possible way of supporting themselves, then yeah, help those people out.
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Then you should really reword what you said. Saying things like you would have people who are "unable to work" sink means something significantly more psychotic than "i hate welfare abusers".
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At this point my opinion really doesn't matter. The welfare critter is just going to get bigger and hungrier and nothing is going to change that. "Just, like, uh...my opinion, man" and all that.
 
GrandNumberOfPounds said:
I was going to say something, but decided not to. This thread pretty much illustrates why I hate politics.
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Considering that, I feel this image might sum things up if the thread gets out of hand.
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Being outraged so much by the welfare queens in society in which some attention whores from the media (for example) are richer than a miner or a sweatshop worker (despite never contributing to the society in any meaningful way) is like shouting Oh my God, look, the sink got clogged! while the house is on fire.

You know, I think that Chris is not so much of a burden to you as some people getting money for having money.
 
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The code among furries for getting awarded disability for their emotional condition is "winning the jackpot."

A jackpot it ain't, unless you equate [not working + just scraping by] as a victory of some sort. I had even more fun when I was banking $10K a month and working like madmen do than I have sitting here farting around on the Internet and wondering where cash to pay the power bill is coming from. I can't wait to get off this shit, with the caveat that I'm going to get back to what I was doing and if I have to wait, I wait. I'm not going to wait tables (not that I'd anything more than useless at it), or do something similar that would interfere with getting back to Real Life.

And none of you is paying for it; I already did, with the FICA tax they pried out of my hide every time a paycheck came along for a couple of decades. (I may have collected more than I paid -- inflation, you know -- but them was the rules when we signed up. All in all, the people that need a leg up deserve to get one, whether they're on straight welfare or retirement income or whatever. The trick is figuring out who exactly those people are; too many that really need help slip through the cracks, while too many that don't snicker all the way to the bank. What exactly "a leg up" means is nebulous, too. The formulas we're using aren't right, and it's imperative that they get fixed before another billion or two goes down the drain or another somebody starves to death that shouldn't have had to. Reform is essential, but so is the institution. It can't just be "gotten rid of" without worse consequences than anything we've got going on here at the moment.
 
Smokedaddy said:
The code among furries for getting awarded disability for their emotional condition is "winning the jackpot."A jackpot it ain't, unless you equate [not working + just scraping by] as a victory of some sort. I had even more fun when I was banking $10K a month and working like madmen do than I have sitting here farting around on the Internet and wondering where cash to pay the power bill is coming from. I can't wait to get off this shit, with the caveat that I'm going to get back to what I was doing and if I have to wait, I wait. I'm not going to wait tables (not that I'd anything more than useless at it), or do something similar that would interfere with getting back to Real Life.

And none of you is paying for it; I already did, with the FICA tax they pried out of my hide every time a paycheck came along for a couple of decades. (I may have collected more than I paid -- inflation, you know -- but them was the rules when we signed up. All in all, the people that need a leg up deserve to get one, whether they're on straight welfare or retirement income or whatever. The trick is figuring out who exactly those people are; too many that really need help slip through the cracks, while too many that don't snicker all the way to the bank. What exactly "a leg up" means is nebulous, too. The formulas we're using aren't right, and it's imperative that they get fixed before another billion or two goes down the drain or another somebody starves to death that shouldn't have had to. Reform is essential, but so is the institution. It can't just be "gotten rid of" without worse consequences than anything we've got going on here at the moment.
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Wait is that a thing? in the furry community?
 
Picklepower said:
Smokedaddy said:
The code among furries for getting awarded disability for their emotional condition is "winning the jackpot."A jackpot it ain't, unless you equate [not working + just scraping by] as a victory of some sort. I had even more fun when I was banking $10K a month and working like madmen do than I have sitting here farting around on the Internet and wondering where cash to pay the power bill is coming from. I can't wait to get off this shit, with the caveat that I'm going to get back to what I was doing and if I have to wait, I wait. I'm not going to wait tables (not that I'd anything more than useless at it), or do something similar that would interfere with getting back to Real Life.

And none of you is paying for it; I already did, with the FICA tax they pried out of my hide every time a paycheck came along for a couple of decades. (I may have collected more than I paid -- inflation, you know -- but them was the rules when we signed up. All in all, the people that need a leg up deserve to get one, whether they're on straight welfare or retirement income or whatever. The trick is figuring out who exactly those people are; too many that really need help slip through the cracks, while too many that don't snicker all the way to the bank. What exactly "a leg up" means is nebulous, too. The formulas we're using aren't right, and it's imperative that they get fixed before another billion or two goes down the drain or another somebody starves to death that shouldn't have had to. Reform is essential, but so is the institution. It can't just be "gotten rid of" without worse consequences than anything we've got going on here at the moment.
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Wait is that a thing? in the furry community?
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If it is a thing among the furry community, I'd like to hear the words of furries who aren't too keen on not working and scraping by.
 
The big problem with people taking advantage of the system is that some are so determined to do so that no matter what reforms or changes the system gets they will always find a way to cheat it.

However, like Smokedaddy said, they can have whatever "jackpot" or whatever they call it. I've never had welfare but I was on unemployment for 10 months or so and it sucked balls. I suspect most who take advantage of the welfare system have deep rooted disorders that make them think they deserve it or are getting one over on the man.

The one friend I had who mooched off the system didn't stay my friend very long because he was also trying to mooch off of me too. His excuse was that he had flat feet so he couldn't stand long enough to do any job and he wouldn't settle for most sit down jobs because they were shitty.
 
Zim said:
The big problem with people taking advantage of the system is that some are so determined to do so that no matter what reforms or changes the system gets they will always find a way to cheat it.

The one friend I had who mooched off the system didn't stay my friend very long because he was also trying to mooch off of me too. His excuse was that he had flat feet so he couldn't stand long enough to do any job and he wouldn't settle for most sit down jobs because they were shitty.
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Had friends like this also. They lived next door to me and my youngest was around her oldest age. Started out as playdates (where you get kids together that are before school age to play) but once we started to really hang out I learned all kind of odd things about welfare that I never knew. We had pizza one friday that I paid for. Just some crap 8$ a pie deal that my bugget could handle. The next week she got them take and bake pizza's from Papa Murphy's for the same amount of pizza she spent 40$ of her foodstamp :tugboat: I ended up making the joke to my husband about it "I wish I was that poor that I could toss money around" :x

I have no issues with people needing help. This set of parents where much younger then me mid 20's nothing wrong with them to not work a normal job.
 
Of course there are people who mooch off the system, but there are also people who are legit in need. I don't like when people demonize the poor, and lump them all into the same category. I bet a lot of republicans that claim to hate welfare, and "the guhment" have been on some kind of aid themselves, at some time, BUT ITS OK WHEN THEY DO IT GUIZ!!
 
Welfare could've helped my grandmother out when she had to raise seven kids alone.

Welfare could've helped my mom out when she had to raise me alone on minimum wage.

I definitely don't mind paying for it since I know what it's like to be dirt poor.
 
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Stalin said:
Welfare could've helped my grandmother out when she had to raise seven kids alone.
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Didn't they have it under communism?
 
Holdek said:
Stalin said:
Welfare could've helped my grandmother out when she had to raise seven kids alone.
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Didn't they have it under communism?
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Welfare didn't help when there was shortages of everything. They can't give you food that's not there.
 
My problem with queens is that they're the face of welfare, if we use them as a reason to cut welfare we're going to hurt a lot of innocent people.
 
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