Microsoft is fucking butthurt no one wants Windows 11 so they're stopping the sale of Windows 10 licenses this month

[Aidan]

Yes, decried by spergs who insisted you should just use GIMP instead of Photoshop and fuck around with Wine for your games, because the alternative is paying Microsoft something like fifty dollars (easy to get Win 11 on discount).

I've been an advocate of using Linux for things you need Linux for (which for most home users is nothing), and Windows for things you need Windows for, rather than trying to constantly hack together some bespoke solution out of FOSS and pirated software, since the beginning.

There are effectively 2 autistic camps in the thread right now. Technical Windows users and technical Linux users.
With no doubt, the Windows users are not the average Windows user, they are nerds. They are using software that normal people don't use. Normal people use software that tends to be cross-platform and this has been true ever since cross-platform became a big deal due to smartphones.

If a normal person is bothered by Windows for whatever reason, it would be trivial for them to use a Linux distro with a similar-ish interface. Focusing on FOSS extremists and the meme Linux experience is fine but dismisses the reality of how people use their computers now and some distros offer a comparable experience for normal people.
Even Microsoft has put their mainstream software in the browser (or in the cloud if you want to nitpick) and it's not because they expect people to stop using Windows, you'll find people using "Word" in the browser without giving it a second thought even though it's a less capable version. Only power users will be bothered by these web-based versions just like only nerds and gamers (not mutually exclusive) will be hampered by using Linux nowadays.

I'm sure it's a bit of a joke from people who hate smelly FOSSfags but the reality of modern computer use is almost everything normal people do is web-based. Accordingly, the issue with software usability is the least relevant it's ever been for the majority of users.

Not to say it's irrelevant, obviously the devout anti-Linux posters have specific software that is just too inconvenient to get to work on Linux, if that's even an option, but you're the exception, not the rule.

Anecdotally, I know a couple of boomers who actually do use Linux, though one is an actual scientist so that's cheating. I know other boomers who abandoned Windows for Mac which is a more jarring adjustment than Windows to Mint.


All of this to bow out and say that I believe it's not the big fuss that people make it out to be for the normal user. Change is just scary, people prefer the enemy they know.

 

[Kalsarikännit]

There's this weird irony in that older games are becoming much easier to run on Linux than modern Windows. As someone who prefers Linux and enjoys older titles it's been great.

True that, I can actually tab out of Fallout 3 on Linux without the game crashing. Same can’t be said for Windows 10.

 

[Matt Damon]

There are effectively 2 autistic camps in the thread right now. Technical Windows users and technical Linux users.
With no doubt, the Windows users are not the average Windows user, they are nerds. They are using software that normal people don't use. Normal people use software that tends to be cross-platform and this has been true ever since cross-platform became a big deal due to smartphones.

If a normal person is bothered by Windows for whatever reason, it would be trivial for them to use a Linux distro with a similar-ish interface. Focusing on FOSS extremists and the meme Linux experience is fine but dismisses the reality of how people use their computers now and some distros offer a comparable experience for normal people.
Even Microsoft has put their mainstream software in the browser (or in the cloud if you want to nitpick) and it's not because they expect people to stop using Windows, you'll find people using "Word" in the browser without giving it a second thought even though it's a less capable version. Only power users will be bothered by these web-based versions just like only nerds and gamers (not mutually exclusive) will be hampered by using Linux nowadays.

I'm sure it's a bit of a joke from people who hate smelly FOSSfags but the reality of modern computer use is almost everything normal people do is web-based. Accordingly, the issue with software usability is the least relevant it's ever been for the majority of users.

Not to say it's irrelevant, obviously the devout anti-Linux posters have specific software that is just too inconvenient to get to work on Linux, if that's even an option, but you're the exception, not the rule.

Anecdotally, I know a couple of boomers who actually do use Linux, though one is an actual scientist so that's cheating. I know other boomers who abandoned Windows for Mac which is a more jarring adjustment than Windows to Mint.


All of this to bow out and say that I believe it's not the big fuss that people make it out to be for the normal user. Change is just scary, people prefer the enemy they know.

I think that's a pretty reasonable stance.

Early on in this argument (and periodically throughout), several turbo-autist Linuxfags straight-up said "if you use nVidia GPUs, any niche hardware, or any Windows-exclusive programs, throw them away and switch to Linux; if you don't, you're a mindless sheep Windows fanboy" which is... unlikely to sway anyone's opinion.

My problem with Linux isn't even the problems with the OS. Every OS has problems and as long as you know what you're getting into, it's no big deal. What I find intolerable are the deceptive zealots who blithely say "the FOSS alternative is just as good as _____" without really having any experience with that software or understanding of what they're promising.

 

[Kalsarikännit]

My problem with Linux isn't even the problems with the OS. Every OS has problems and as long as you know what you're getting into, it's no big deal. What I find intolerable are the deceptive zealots who blithely say "the FOSS alternative is just as good as _____" without really having any experience with that software or understanding of what they're promising.

I just read through multiple pages of your sperging. You started by saying the CAD software you work with won’t work anywhere else but windows. Fair, but that’s work. I and many others don’t choose their work computer, so what OS it runs is of no consequence. What you fail to mention, seemingly, is that the vast majority of computer users don’t use CAD software on their personal machines. Adobe software, sure, GIMP sucks and I would never defend it. But I have MacOS for that.

For basically anything that isn’t Solidworks on a personal machine (or excel if you don’t want to use the browser version), there’s really no reason the average person can’t use Linux as their daily operating system. Work stays on work computers, but there’s really very few use cases that actually require windows. And I’m not even that big a fan of Linux, I just switched off of it because Proton supports the games I play.

Please understand that your situation is unique and many people can switch with minimal impact on their lives, especially since most people use their personal computers as portals to a web browser/electron app anyway.

 

[byuu]

Early on in this argument (and periodically throughout), several turbo-autist Linuxfags straight-up said "if you use nVidia GPUs, any niche hardware, or any Windows-exclusive programs, throw them away and switch to Linux; if you don't, you're a mindless sheep Windows fanboy" which is... unlikely to sway anyone's opinion.

No, there is a very simple point that you keep refusing to understand: You shouldn't blame Linux for nvidia's fuckery.
That does not mean you have to use Linux, or throw your GPU away. It simply means put the blame where it belongs.

Is this such a complicated concept to you?

 

[Matt Damon]

What you fail to mention, seemingly, is that the vast majority of computer users don’t use CAD software on their personal machines.

Of course, but people like me and @Pissmaster were explicitly being told that using such applications was an "excuse" to stay on Windows and "everyone suddenly has to use CAD and Photoshop when suggested to switch to Linux".

You're technically correct, but ignoring the outrageous context that's been going on throughout this thread.

 

[Pissmaster]

I think that's a pretty reasonable stance.

Early on in this argument (and periodically throughout), several turbo-autist Linuxfags straight-up said "if you use nVidia GPUs, any niche hardware, or any Windows-exclusive programs, throw them away and switch to Linux; if you don't, you're a mindless sheep Windows fanboy" which is... unlikely to sway anyone's opinion.

Mac users be like “Yes, you should buy a Mac instead. It will run the software you’re familiar with, and all of the under-the-hood stuff is already taken care of, because everything from software to hardware is in-house at Apple”

Linux users be like “It’s clearly a you problem, you should take the time to learn brand new software, and also only support manufacturers of hardware cohesive to Linux. No I won’t help you with your obscure problem, just google it and find forums where other insufferable faggots told another guy to google it without actually answering the question”

Please understand that your situation is unique and many people can switch with minimal impact on their lives, especially since most people use their personal computers as portals to a web browser/electron app anyway.

Most people get thrown off when going between Android and iOS. A file system is some esoteric voodoo knowledge to anyone who didn’t grow up with a desktop OS. You are vastly overestimating the amount of time and effort the average person is willing to put forth when working with computers.

 

[byuu]

Of course, but people like me and @Pissmaster were explicitly being told that using such applications was an "excuse" to stay on Windows and "everyone suddenly has to use CAD and Photoshop when suggested to switch to Linux".

You're technically correct, but ignoring the outrageous context that's been going on throughout this thread.

Yeah one dude posted a sentence like that ten pages ago and hasn't been heard of since.
And it's just been you crying that Linux doesn't magically support your favourite hardware or software in the mean time.

 

[Matt Damon]

No I won’t help you with your obscure problem, just google it and find forums where other insufferable faggots told another guy to google it without actually answering the question

I thought Windows help forums were the worst place in the world, full of retarded pajeets responding to every single problem with "please sar run sfc/scannow " until I looked at Linux help forums.

Every goddamn question asking how to accomplish even the most trivial, mundane tasks has ten people writing novel-length posts about how you should never do what you're doing, the method you're using to do it is wrong, the software you using is wrong, and the distro you're using is wrong. And naturally, the advice each person gives is mutually exclusive.

 

[Pissmaster]

I thought Windows help forums were the worst place in the world, full of retarded pajeets responding to every single problem with "please sar run sfc/scannow " until I looked at Linux help forums.

Every goddamn question asking how to accomplish even the most trivial, mundane tasks has ten people writing novel-length posts about how you should never do what you're doing, the method you're using to do it is wrong, the software you using is wrong, and the distro you're using is wrong. And naturally, the advice each person gives is mutually exclusive.

>be me
>teenager
>hear about how great Linux is
>all software is free and there's a free alternative to everything paid for on windows with no viruses
>sounds great
>installs on a new partition
>makes it to desktop
>neat
>can't find my hard drives
>go on forums
>"Where's my E: drive?"
>Linux users reply
>"Lol, here comes another baby crawling out of the Windows cave!!"
>"Linux mounts drives differently. You would know that if you read literally anything before you started mashing buttons."
>"If you have to ask, you really should kill yourself. Literally only Windows uses drive letters. Unironically kill yourself and bring Windows with you, retard."
>I reply
>"yeah okay but seriously, where does Linux mount my drive? What do I click to get to my files? It's true, I'm coming from Windows, but I'm just trying to learn here."
>an admin replies
>"Think for yourself for two minutes and you will figure it out. You need critical thinking skills to use Linux, unlike other operating systems. Maybe you should ask your mommy for a Mac instead. Thread locked."
>still have no clue where it mounted E: to
>my account got banned
>delete Linux partition
>go back to using Windows
>repeat essentially this same retarded shit once a decade to see if Linux is viable yet, only to wind up stonewalled by something stupid with no solution again and again

 

[The Ugly One]

Yeah one dude posted a sentence like that ten pages ago and hasn't been heard of since.
And it's just been you crying that Linux doesn't magically support your favourite hardware or software in the mean time.

The point of a platform is to support the jobs you want it to do. You don't choose the jobs you do based on how they can support your platform.

 

[George Floyd]

Everyone is a professional photographer AND AutoCAD designer AND a pro gamer playing that one Windows-only game when it comes to actually switching. I get it, Linux is intimidating, that's good, and yes we want you to stay on Windows where you're buttfucked by Microsoft every day, told what to do and when, and get all your personal files scanned for illegal terrorist content. Bringing W**dows plebeians over can only have negative consequences for Linux, and can be seen reading redditors talking about their "rice" or whatever gay shit they come up with when they switch for street cred.

 

[The Ugly One]

Normal person: what technology should i use?
Other normal person: depends on what you need it to do
Linux fag: you should use Linux even if it is objectively bad for your use case because otherwise you're a bad person

 

[Pissmaster]

Bringing W**dows plebeians over can only have negative consequences for Linux, and can be seen reading redditors talking about their "rice" or whatever gay shit they come up with when they switch for street cred.

Linux users should build a wall to keep out Windows migrants. We're not going to integrate into your culture and we're going to bring over UWP software and official driver support for RGB lighting, and we're crossing the border in bouncing cars blasting Pitbull

 

[George Floyd]

Normal person: what technology should i use?
Other normal person: depends on what you need it to do
Linux fag: you should use Linux even if it is objectively bad for your use case because otherwise you're a bad person

Seething faggot: I'm too dumb to use Linux so it must be its fault

 

[SilentDuck]

True that, I can actually tab out of Fallout 3 on Linux without the game crashing. Same can’t be said for Windows 10.

Could alt-tab out of Fallout 3 just fine on XP with an intel CPU, the operating system and hardware it was designed for 15+ years ago. I actually remember many of the new Ubuntu fanatics at the time feeling quite upset that their very loud plans to abandon Windows forever were dashed and this exciting video game had them installing Windows JUST THIS ONE LAST TIME.

there’s really no reason the average person can’t use Linux as their daily operating system.

If that were true they would be, rather than 2 decades of online arguments about it with zero tangible results.

Please understand that your situation is unique and many people can switch with minimal impact on their lives

Every user's situation is unique whether linux savants feel that the little people have a right to one or not. What few tasks simple users actually use a machine for tends to be of significance to them and they don't care about package management, FOSS, ipv6, systemd, or whatever listserv holywar took place when over what. It either works and continues to work on demand or it doesn't. In the hands of the unwashed masses, it will not.

 

[Pissmaster]

No, there is a very simple point that you keep refusing to understand: You shouldn't blame Linux for nvidia's fuckery.
That does not mean you have to use Linux, or throw your GPU away. It simply means put the blame where it belongs.

Is this such a complicated concept to you?

I'd rather just use an OS that already works than sit and seethe at giant corporations like a retard because they don't support an OS niche to desktop use that they wouldn't see enough of a profit from supporting anyway

 

[byuu]

The point of a platform is to support the jobs you want it to do. You don't choose the jobs you do based on how they can support your platform.

And who told him he should drop doing CAD so he can switch to Linux? I certainly didn't.
I only object to
>BAWWW why do those useless Linux trannies not magically make nvidia hardware and Adobe software work on Linux

I'd rather just use an OS that already works than sit and seethe at giant corporations like a retard because they don't support an OS niche to desktop use that they wouldn't see enough of a profit from supporting anyway

Instead you sit and seethe about mean Linux nerds bullying you. How is that more productive?

 

[Pissmaster]

I saw an average Linux user at a grocery store in Silicon Valley yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.

He said, “Oh, are you trying to run telemetry on me?”

I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen NVMe drives in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the drives and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

 

[Kalsarikännit]

>be me
>teenager
>etc.

This happened to me too... when I was 13. I came back as an adult and know how to get good answers out of Google now. Also, Linux today isn't the linux of 10+ years ago. There's a lot of noob help nowadays.

Most people get thrown off when going between Android and iOS. A file system is some esoteric voodoo knowledge to anyone who didn’t grow up with a desktop OS. You are vastly overestimating the amount of time and effort the average person is willing to put forth when working with computers.

I can't agree with this. As someone who dailys MacOS and uses Linux and Windows, Windows has the most annoying filesystem. Windows explorer flat out doesn't work more often than not, and God help you if you saved something to one of Windows' temp folders. You can fix this with an app like Everything, but that's something totally new to learn and at that point, Linux is more familiar in terms of structure.

Besides, the answer to most of these questions really is one Google search away. Or a couple, if you're not so good at phrasing the questions right. This isn't a Linux thing, I've had to google how to do x on Windows AND Mac, too.