Diseased Sanctioned Suicide - "Kill yourself" but unironically with sodium nitrite. Higher death count than the Farms. Targeted by parents, legislators, and journalists looking to alter Section 230.

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This isn’t about freedom of speech

When you target an American website and Section 230 it most definitely is.

as it stands if I did what the member did with Joe, in person I would be prosecuted, which is why it is now becoming law that what is illegal offline will be illegal online. The coroner who carried out the inquest stated that the members who had held discussions with Joe were breaking the UK law of assisting suicide.

Outlawing an American site in the UK will not stop any determined Brit from accessing it with a VPN or Tor, both of which are free, easy to install, and increasingly well-known as global censorship rises (crazy how that works, huh?).

suicide will always exist, but accessing a forum where many act on impulse, or realise they don't want to die suicide rates may drop.

This is kind of poorly written, but if you meant to say something along the lines of "pushing for legislation against Sanctioned Suicide might cause suicide rates to go down", then you are delusional. If you are not saying that, then my apologies.

It's a sad situation all round, not only because people are so hopelessly distressed to find themselves in a place like SS in the first place, but also because people are cunts and love to be cunts. Some examples of cunts:

Tantacrul is a cunt, because his virtue signalling video was full of outright lies, half-truths, speculation and faux outrage. He whipped up a storm against a place that many people find comfort in. However, it's not such a safe space as it's made out to be, which I'll touch on later.

The people who want the site taken down are cunts. Fixthe26 or whoever. The ones who speak out most vocally are behaving irrationally, which yes I can understand your grief, but you don't come across as particularly sane. Taking down a site like SS might give you your 'win' but it's not gonna bring your loved ones back and it's only going to isolate distressed and suicidal people even more.

Rain and Sadness is a total cunt. Rules with a rod of iron and talks to people like cunts. Threatens them, twists what they say, and is so far up FuneralCry's arse, although I don't believe they're the same person at all.

Sometimes members are cunts. There was a member called motelrooms/hotelbeneathground who, just like FuneralCry, was allowed the free run of the forum to harass and bully anyone he felt like. He did eventually get banned - over FuneralCry ironically, because as we now know, she is untouchable and The One Who Must Be Protected At All Costs, "because she's autistic" don't you know. Incidentally, many of the posters are also autistic, mentally ill, neurodiverse etc yet none are afforded the same treatment.

FuneralCry is a cunt, despite her protestations of, and I quote "I am the kindest person on this forum" and "I am the most compassionate person here". She has written just shy of 18,000 posts now, all with the exact same wording. She starts by making low-key passive aggressive attacks on other users who she deems "pro-life", "delusional" (for being suicidal but not wanting to go through with it in case life gets better) and she polices the forum saying these people shouldn't be allowed on there. She says she envies people who die, people who have SN (yet doesn't get any herself, for some unknown reason). Many people have retaliated to her harassment and the situation always gets turned around to her being the victim and people getting banned and ostracised. That cunt Rain and Sadness has enabled this behaviour and now doesn't even know how to deal with it other than allowing it to continue and having anyone critical of FC put on the naughty step and labelling them as a bully clique.

Quite recently a person posted who had found his wife at death's door due to a suicide attempt. He saved her and he felt guilty on top a load of other emotions as it was obviously traumatic for him. FuneralCry's response? Well let's see what this kind and compassionate person had to say:

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All this said, I do believe this place has a right to exist and can be comforting for people. I don't believe legislation is the answer. People will still kill themselves and at startling rates due to the collapse of society that we are seeing happen in real time. Just let them be, and weed out anyone breaking the rules, basically.

If people could just stop being cunts to each other every day, that'd be a start. Taking away people's rights through legislation is tyranny. I don't want these people to die, but I certainly think they deserve a safe space to discuss what they're going through.

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This is the sanest, most realistic-sounding, and most backed-up-by-proof post made by an outsider so far. Thank you for disproving my eye-roll and annoyed groan when I saw another new person replying to the thread, and please continue to post, lmfao

From what I've seen so far, I think I agree with pretty much everything in your post. Fixthe26 and Tantacrul should back the fuck off of Section 230 before another #DropKiwiFarms-level situation kicks into gear and they start attracting the ire of even more volatile communities that rely on 230 to operate (like Doxbin, BreachForums, rDrama / WPD, the Fediverse, O&A Forums, I could go on and on), and - honestly what should be the main takeaway after seeing the collective message from both pro- and anti-SS people - R&S and FuneralCry clearly require a lot more scrutiny.

 

[Sjm411]

I'm very sorry about what happened to your son, but the Online Safety Bill would have not prevented the site or any of the speech in it. The speech in that bill (before it was gutted) would have chilled much speech on the internet (in the UK) and wouldn't had much effect on most sites outside of the UK.

With all due respect your sympathies don’t mean anything. When we spoke on the phone you stated on there that you had eyes and ears everywhere and you knew what was going on.
You said your site at the time didn’t allow encouragement of suicide but when we showed you the evidence of this, you became argumentative, and may I add it still goes on, members still send evidence of this. So let’s leave that there.
If you say have left the site you’ve really not left it in very good hands have you?

We aren’t attacking section 230. That’s fixthe26/Kelli. We are in the UK and section 230 isn’t relevant to us.

What many may not know, or you may. I’m only carrying out my sons final wish, which he left in a suicide note to the police. Happy to share if you’d like to see.

 

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This isn’t about freedom of speech, as it stands if I did what the member did with Joe, in person I would be prosecuted, which is why it is now becoming law that what is illegal offline will be illegal online. The coroner who carried out the inquest stated that the members who had held discussions with Joe were breaking the UK law of assisting suicide.

Freedom of speech online is a global issue, but the website is an American one, and at best what you might accomplish is getting the site blackholed to the UK. Anyone there with a modicum of determination is just going to access it via TOR. I would think that someone with enough determination to follow through on suicide is going to have that level of determination. But even if not they'll just go through with it anyway, using the numerous tried and true methods out there that people have used for thousands of years now.

SN has become a popular method, which is why the sale of it has become restricted.
Suicide should be spoken about we aren’t about stopping suicide because that isn’t going to happen, suicide will always exist, but accessing a forum where many act on impulse, or realise they don't want to die suicide rates may drop.

While I'm inclined to believe people like FuneralCry are akin to ghouls, who are getting off on romanticizing death while having no intent to pursue it themselves, a lot of people who have suicidal ideation craft plans about it in their head in advance. Sometimes they discuss them out loud or bounce them off of people willing to listen, as a method of processing their feelings and making them tangible in conscious human terms. This process sometimes acts as a form of release that actually helps them find a pathway forward from them towards recovery.

About the only issues pretty much anyone really has with the site are its moderation problems, and users like FC who seem to want to practically push everyone there off the proverbial bridge while not jumping off it themselves. Those are content issues with a single site. I promise you that even if activism somehow gets SS taken offline or blackholed, something will immediately replace it, because the root cause of the site's existence - societal problems that are leading more people than ever to feel compelled to end their own lives - isn't being addressed. There is a need and the site fills it. Address the need.

 

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I will never get comfort from loosing my son. We have said all along we believe there should be a space for people to be able to talk about their feelings. However a place that openly gives methods, encourages suicide, giving step by step guides to the information should not be there. This isn’t about freedom of speech, as it stands if I did what the member did with Joe, in person I would be prosecuted, which is why it is now becoming law that what is illegal offline will be illegal online. The coroner who carried out the inquest stated that the members who had held discussions with Joe were breaking the UK law of assisting suicide.
SN has become a popular method, which is why the sale of it has become restricted.
Suicide should be spoken about we aren’t about stopping suicide because that isn’t going to happen, suicide will always exist, but accessing a forum where many act on impulse, or realise they don't want to die suicide rates may drop.

I will agree with you on the idea that there are cases where someone commits suicide out of impulse where they pretty much robbed themselves of the rest of their life just because it seemed impossible in the present moment. But what scares me the most is if we do go down that path of taking down information that "should not be on there" I don't think it will give the result you think it will.

For one it's pretty easy to find things that will get you killed on the Internet, I could learn how to tie a noose directly from Youtube, I could go to drugs.com and find a medicine that I could get access to that won't OD me in a way that's too painful, I saw a video of a dude kill himself instantly by inhaling solvents incidentally when I used to lurk 4chan, there's a whole thread on this site around videos of people dying, I'm sure you get the idea. There is a possibility that numbers go down if SS is gone but I find it more likely that the people so desperate they go a website around suicide that they have the will and the way to find somewhere else to do it. If there's a forum where users are specifically pushed towards killing themselves over seeking help that would be horrifying, I'm sure it happens to some degree from some users on SS and I was expecting to find a lot of posts on this thread showing just that but that is not the impression I am getting now. I agree that the existence of this website could possibly lead to deaths of people who really shouldn't have given up on life but the problem is we can't see the alternate realities of where these people go and do if one website didn't exist. Which leads me to why I really do not want to see this sort of regulation.

Let's say we do ban the site. Where? In the UK? What can they do, the site isn't hosted there. Block the site? Sorry but unless you're China or Iraq anyone can circumvent government blocks if they are motivated to go to a website - just look at how blocking piracy sites stopped people for two seconds before they went on reddit to figure out what to do. Honestly the only way I see it happening is America starts to police content more strongly (which will either involve Section 230 or make it illegal similar to CP and people can still find that) or if tier 1 ISPs make a conceited effort to begin regulating what traffic is being transited. Both of these events we've already had some near misses with which would affect a lot more than just Kiwifarms or Sanctioned Suicide. And if any of that happens to get rid of Sanctioned Suicide or all of the other things on the Internet that might kill people if they try it themselves there will still be suicide instructions out there even if it is illegal. Police have a hard enough time getting rid of CSAM or drug sites that mail shit to people (which actually doesn't all happen over TOR). How is anyone supposed to police the entire Internet when anyone could start a site where they just upload a .txt file shared around with methods written on them that pops up in search results once the site's made. All I see is a wasted effort and a less free Internet.

 

[Sjm411]

Freedom of speech online is a global issue, but the website is an American one, and at best what you might accomplish is getting the site blackholed to the UK. Anyone there with a modicum of determination is just going to access it via TOR. I would think that someone with enough determination to follow through on suicide is going to have that level of determination. But even if not they'll just go through with it anyway, using the numerous tried and true methods out there that people have used for thousands of years now.

It has happened in Italy, Germany and Australia. So if that what we accomplish than so be it.

 

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It has happened in Italy, Germany and Australia. So if that what we accomplish than so be it.

Imagine admitting that you don't give a fuck if what you're advocating for is even effective, and that you just want the government to censor the Internet more.

 

[Sjm411]

I will agree with you on the idea that there are cases where someone commits suicide out of impulse where they pretty much robbed themselves of the rest of their life just because it seemed impossible in the present moment. But what scares me the most is if we do go down that path of taking down information that "should not be on there" I don't think it will give the result you think it will.

For one it's pretty easy to find things that will get you killed on the Internet, I could learn how to tie a noose directly from Youtube, I could go to drugs.com and find a medicine that I could get access to that won't OD me in a way that's too painful, I saw a video of a dude kill himself instantly by inhaling solvents incidentally when I used to lurk 4chan, there's a whole thread on this site around videos of people dying, I'm sure you get the idea. There is a possibility that numbers go down if SS is gone but I find it more likely that the people so desperate they go a website around suicide that they have the will and the way to find somewhere else to do it. If there's a forum where users are specifically pushed towards killing themselves over seeking help that would be horrifying, I'm sure it happens to some degree from some users on SS and I was expecting to find a lot of posts on this thread showing just that but that is not the impression I am getting now. I agree that the existence of this website could possibly lead to deaths of people who really shouldn't have given up on life but the problem is we can't see the alternate realities of where these people go and do if one website didn't exist. Which leads me to why I really do not want to see this sort of regulation.

Let's say we do ban the site. Where? In the UK? What can they do, the site isn't hosted there. Block the site? Sorry but unless you're China or Iraq anyone can circumvent government blocks if they are motivated to go to a website - just look at how blocking piracy sites stopped people for two seconds before they went on reddit to figure out what to do. Honestly the only way I see it happening is America starts to police content more strongly (which will either involve Section 230 or make it illegal similar to CP and people can still find that) or if tier 1 ISPs make a conceited effort to begin regulating what traffic is being transited. Both of these events we've already had some near misses with which would affect a lot more than just Kiwifarms or Sanctioned Suicide. And if any of that happens to get rid of Sanctioned Suicide or all of the other things on the Internet that might kill people if they try it themselves there will still be suicide instructions out there even if it is illegal. Police have a hard enough time getting rid of CSAM or drug sites that mail shit to people (which actually doesn't all happen over TOR). How is anyone supposed to police the entire Internet when anyone could start a site where they just upload a .txt file shared around with methods written on them that pops up in search results once the site's made. All I see is a wasted effort and a less free Internet.

What I’m saying is that other people should not be openly discussing those methods, giving links on where to purchase SN, N etc. That in my opinion is encouraging suicide not all agree on that which I appreciate but I’m sure you can see why I see it as encouraging suicide.
It does happen on there if you want to see I will share. We don’t say things without being able to back it up.
The site has been blocked in Italy, Germany and Australia and has been for a couple of years now.

 

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With all due respect your sympathies don’t mean anything. When we spoke on the phone you stated on there that you had eyes and ears everywhere and you knew what was going on.
You said your site at the time didn’t allow encouragement of suicide but when we showed you the evidence of this, you became argumentative, and may I add it still goes on, members still send evidence of this. So let’s leave that there.
If you say have left the site you’ve really not left it in very good hands have you?

That's fine. Good day, I am done engaging with you. I'm not having this back and forth.

 

[Sjm411]

That's fine. Good day, I am done engaging with you. I'm not having this back and forth.

Are you like Diego then can’t handle the truth. He soon ran away, left you to pick the pieces up.
You’ve left your forum in the hands of rain and sadness that really wasn’t a smart move and given by your response you know that.

Imagine admitting that you don't give a fuck if what you're advocating for is even effective, and that you just want the government to censor the Internet more.

I’ve explained what it is we believe should and shouldn’t be there.

 

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I’ve explained what it is we believe should and shouldn’t be there.

Do you think posting a diagram of how to tie a noose, linking an Amazon listing of a rope, and saying "kill yourself" should be illegal? Because your previous posts read like you think it should.

 

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What I’m saying is that other people should not be openly discussing those methods, giving links on where to purchase SN, N etc. That in my opinion is encouraging suicide not all agree on that which I appreciate but I’m sure you can see why I see it as encouraging suicide.
It does happen on there if you want to see I will share. We don’t say things without being able to back it up.
The site has been blocked in Italy, Germany and Australia and has been for a couple of years now.

Those countries have already had blocklists. I'm pretty sure that Kiwifarms, the very site we're using to have this conversation, is blocked in a few countries as well. That doesn't make it an illegal website or something that needs to be taken down. SS, like Kiwifarms, hosts legal information that is protected by US law and there's really nothing that can be done there. I'm pretty sure Kiwifarms is also blocked in many countries, that doesn't make it an illegal site that needs to be taken down.

Are you like Diego then can’t handle the truth. He soon ran away, left you to pick the pieces up.
You’ve left your forum in the hands of rain and sadness that really wasn’t a smart move and given by your response you know that.

Not really interested in the guilt-trips or emotionally charged talk I'm just here to give my perspective on the site and information.

I like Rainandsadness, she was left with the forum because she is really the best person to take care of it. I think she is doing a good job considering the circumstances of the community and her own personal struggles. I don't think any other person would have been able to put up with the stress of running a site like that and I don't know how I put up with it for so long. There's always been staffing issues considering the nature of the site and I do think the site could be moderated better, but I think I left the site in good hands.

 

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What I’m saying is that other people should not be openly discussing those methods, giving links on where to purchase SN, N etc. That in my opinion is encouraging suicide not all agree on that which I appreciate but I’m sure you can see why I see it as encouraging suicide.
It does happen on there if you want to see I will share. We don’t say things without being able to back it up.
The site has been blocked in Italy, Germany and Australia and has been for a couple of years now.

I'm on the fence with what is and isn't encouraging suicide, it was a while ago but the one thread I did see on Sanctioned Suicide was where a dude wanted to die due to illness or disability so bad he planned to jump off a building, asked for advice on how to not fuck it up and supposedly posted back saying he fucked it up and ruined his body even more. I think if there is no convincing them to live, I would rather them die than live a life as a vegetable. As to cases where people were on the fence and were talked into suicide and then impulsively did it like I said I think that is horrifying and I think everyone in this thread would love to see your examples of those. Kiwifarms is all about archiving things and the only reason we don't see that here is because the website is closed to the public.

As for the content blocking the blacklists are 99% never blackholing - which is the really bad one none of us here want but rather DNS blocking which is essentially the same technology public schools across the world use for content blocking, which is infamously easy to bypass. What you're advocating for will have consequences much bigger than the scope of Sanctioned Suicide. My point is as Null keeps quoting "If you had to chose your censor, who would it be?" and allowing organisations public or private to make more of those decisions at their sole discretion as time goes on is something I think nobody would like once it starts to overreach to their side of the Internet (which these things always do, we see it all over big tech websites).

 

[Sjm411]

Those countries have already had blocklists. I'm pretty sure that Kiwifarms, the very site we're using to have this conversation, is blocked in a few countries as well. That doesn't make it an illegal website or something that needs to be taken down. SS, like Kiwifarms, hosts legal information that is protected by US law and there's really nothing that can be done there. I'm pretty sure Kiwifarms is also blocked in many countries, that doesn't make it an illegal site that needs to be taken down.


Not really interested in the guilt-trips or emotionally charged talk I'm just here to give my perspective on the site and information.

I like Rainandsadness, she was left with the forum because she is really the best person to take care of it. I think she is doing a good job considering the circumstances of the community and her own personal struggles. I don't think any other person would have been able to put up with the stress of running a site like that and I don't know how I put up with it for so long. There's always been staffing issues considering the nature of the site and I do think the site could be moderated better, but I think I left the site in good hands.

Those countries have already had blocklists. I'm pretty sure that Kiwifarms, the very site we're using to have this conversation, is blocked in a few countries as well. That doesn't make it an illegal website or something that needs to be taken down. SS, like Kiwifarms, hosts legal information that is protected by US law and there's really nothing that can be done there. I'm pretty sure Kiwifarms is also blocked in many countries, that doesn't make it an illegal site that needs to be taken down.


Not really interested in the guilt-trips or emotionally charged talk I'm just here to give my perspective on the site and information.

I like Rainandsadness, she was left with the forum because she is really the best person to take care of it. I think she is doing a good job considering the circumstances of the community and her own personal struggles. I don't think any other person would have been able to put up with the stress of running a site like that and I don't know how I put up with it for so long. There's always been staffing issues considering the nature of the site and I do think the site could be moderated better, but I think I left the site in good hands.

I’m not talking about kiwi farms I’m talking about SS. That’s the whole point of this thread isn’t it. You know I have the issue with SS it was there where my son was advised and encouraged how to kill himself.

Judging by a lot of the comments in this thread they don’t have that same judgement that you have left it in good hands. They have all given their view on how she lets specific members get away with a lot where as others get banned.

Didn’t you also say you didn’t agree with the derogatory comments towards the parents. This still happens and has got worse, and one of the worse offenders is rain and sadness.

Do you think posting a diagram of how to tie a noose, linking an Amazon listing of a rope, and saying "kill yourself" should be illegal? Because your previous posts read like you think it should.

That is giving somebody the information on how to hang, that is assisting somebody with their death. If I did that in person to someone then it is illegal, so yes it should be illegal online too.

 

[afounder]

I’m not talking about kiwi farms I’m talking about SS.

The thread is about SS, but if you got your way and SS went down, then places like this would be next. Censorship of the internet doesn't stop just because you took one site down. If people see that they can take a site down by campaigning to have it shutdown no matter whether is legal or not, they will undoubtedly use that ability to shut down any speech they want. It's not just about SS, it's about any site that allows free speech that would be in danger if SS went down.

Even worse if the government has the power to censor. Just look at Australia and Italy right now, which has SS blocked, they would undoubtedly use that ability to block other sites too.

Judging by a lot of the comments in this thread they don’t have that same judgement that you have left it in good hands. They have all given their view on how she lets specific members get away with a lot where as others get banned.

It's not a popularity content. People from all walks of the internet give their opinions on stuff every day. I know that the decisions that I made, including giving the site to Rain, was the best one to make at the time, and I don't really need an outsider's opinion on it either.

Didn’t you also say you didn’t agree with the derogatory comments towards the parents. This still happens and has got worse, and one of the worse offenders is rain and sadness.

My personal opinion really doesn't matter here. As I don't really have control over the site or its contents anymore,

 

[iffywas]

What I’m saying is that other people should not be openly discussing those methods, giving links on where to purchase SN, N etc. That in my opinion is encouraging suicide not all agree on that which I appreciate but I’m sure you can see why I see it as encouraging suicide.
It does happen on there if you want to see I will share. We don’t say things without being able to back it up.
The site has been blocked in Italy, Germany and Australia and has been for a couple of years now.

Sorry, but why are you assuming to tell people what they can and can't talk about? People were discussing methods online on alt.suicide.methods 20-25 years ago. Do you really think getting the site banned in certain countries will help anyone? Whoop de do, it's been blocked in Italy, Germany and Australia. I can tell you now straight up there are members from those countries still actively accessing the website and posting. All you're doing is harming vulnerable people, causing them unnecessary distress and keeping them from being able to freely discuss how they feel with others who understand.

 

[muffin123]

It's a sad situation all round, not only because people are so hopelessly distressed to find themselves in a place like SS in the first place, but also because people are cunts and love to be cunts. Some examples of cunts:

Tantacrul is a cunt, because his virtue signalling video was full of outright lies, half-truths, speculation and faux outrage. He whipped up a storm against a place that many people find comfort in. However, it's not such a safe space as it's made out to be, which I'll touch on later.

The people who want the site taken down are cunts. Fixthe26 or whoever. The ones who speak out most vocally are behaving irrationally, which yes I can understand your grief, but you don't come across as particularly sane. Taking down a site like SS might give you your 'win' but it's not gonna bring your loved ones back and it's only going to isolate distressed and suicidal people even more.

Rain and Sadness is a total cunt. Rules with a rod of iron and talks to people like cunts. Threatens them, twists what they say, and is so far up FuneralCry's arse, although I don't believe they're the same person at all.

Sometimes members are cunts. There was a member called motelrooms/hotelbeneathground who, just like FuneralCry, was allowed the free run of the forum to harass and bully anyone he felt like. He did eventually get banned - over FuneralCry ironically, because as we now know, she is untouchable and The One Who Must Be Protected At All Costs, "because she's autistic" don't you know. Incidentally, many of the posters are also autistic, mentally ill, neurodiverse etc yet none are afforded the same treatment.

FuneralCry is a cunt, despite her protestations of, and I quote "I am the kindest person on this forum" and "I am the most compassionate person here". She has written just shy of 18,000 posts now, all with the exact same wording. She starts by making low-key passive aggressive attacks on other users who she deems "pro-life", "delusional" (for being suicidal but not wanting to go through with it in case life gets better) and she polices the forum saying these people shouldn't be allowed on there. She says she envies people who die, people who have SN (yet doesn't get any herself, for some unknown reason). Many people have retaliated to her harassment and the situation always gets turned around to her being the victim and people getting banned and ostracised. That cunt Rain and Sadness has enabled this behaviour and now doesn't even know how to deal with it other than allowing it to continue and having anyone critical of FC put on the naughty step and labelling them as a bully clique.

Quite recently a person posted who had found his wife at death's door due to a suicide attempt. He saved her and he felt guilty on top a load of other emotions as it was obviously traumatic for him. FuneralCry's response? Well let's see what this kind and compassionate person had to say:

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All this said, I do believe this place has a right to exist and can be comforting for people. I don't believe legislation is the answer. People will still kill themselves and at startling rates due to the collapse of society that we are seeing happen in real time. Just let them be, and weed out anyone breaking the rules, basically.

If people could just stop being cunts to each other every day, that'd be a start. Taking away people's rights through legislation is tyranny. I don't want these people to die, but I certainly think they deserve a safe space to discuss what they're going through.

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Excellent post, you summed it all up quite nicely.

I will never get comfort from loosing my son. We have said all along we believe there should be a space for people to be able to talk about their feelings. However a place that openly gives methods, encourages suicide, giving step by step guides to the information should not be there. This isn’t about freedom of speech, as it stands if I did what the member did with Joe, in person I would be prosecuted, which is why it is now becoming law that what is illegal offline will be illegal online. The coroner who carried out the inquest stated that the members who had held discussions with Joe were breaking the UK law of assisting suicide.
SN has become a popular method, which is why the sale of it has become restricted.
Suicide should be spoken about we aren’t about stopping suicide because that isn’t going to happen, suicide will always exist, but accessing a forum where many act on impulse, or realise they don't want to die suicide rates may drop.

I’m sorry for your loss. Are you guys fighting against "lostallhope" as well? Or any other websites that are accessible and available with information in terms of methods too? Before I found SS, I would google methods and what would most often pop up for me was the "lostallhope" website along with in detail research papers and studies, with pictures included at times of the bodies, on how people successfully suicided.

SN/Sodium Nitrite is restricted in most of the EU and in the UK. However, a lot of people on the forum order from IC (a canadian company) and customs don’t regularly check the SN or cease the package, making it easy to obtain regardless of where you live. You just need to post 10-20 messages and then you can unlock the DM feature, which is where most people will share their sources with those who ask for it. I actually did not find out about what IC was from anyone and didn’t ask, I read through an insane amount of threads on SN until I stumbled upon 1 profile that had some sort of blog outside of SS where they discussed methods and IC in detail, they mentioned IC by their full name and who ran the site as well on that blog. There’s a reddit post that is still up from September 2022, that actually has the full name of the IC website too.

SN is not a very impulsive method, when you compare it to hanging for example. SN requires a lot of time, planning and dedication due to it’s nature of being poisionous. The more impulsive an SN attempt is, the higher the risk of failure. To increase odds of being successful you have to fast for at least 8 hours, ideally get a bunch of additional medicines such as anti-emetics so you don’t vomit it all up, you need to be home alone or book a place, you need to make sure you take the right dosage, etc.

Freedom of speech online is a global issue, but the website is an American one, and at best what you might accomplish is getting the site blackholed to the UK. Anyone there with a modicum of determination is just going to access it via TOR. I would think that someone with enough determination to follow through on suicide is going to have that level of determination. But even if not they'll just go through with it anyway, using the numerous tried and true methods out there that people have used for thousands of years now.


While I'm inclined to believe people like FuneralCry are akin to ghouls, who are getting off on romanticizing death while having no intent to pursue it themselves, a lot of people who have suicidal ideation craft plans about it in their head in advance. Sometimes they discuss them out loud or bounce them off of people willing to listen, as a method of processing their feelings and making them tangible in conscious human terms. This process sometimes acts as a form of release that actually helps them find a pathway forward from them towards recovery.

About the only issues pretty much anyone really has with the site are its moderation problems, and users like FC who seem to want to practically push everyone there off the proverbial bridge while not jumping off it themselves. Those are content issues with a single site. I promise you that even if activism somehow gets SS taken offline or blackholed, something will immediately replace it, because the root cause of the site's existence - societal problems that are leading more people than ever to feel compelled to end their own lives - isn't being addressed. There is a need and the site fills it. Address the need.

The really odd thing about FC is that they never discussed any suicide plans. They claim that they can’t access any methods such as SN for example, for whatever reason.

It has happened in Italy, Germany and Australia. So if that what we accomplish than so be it.

The site is indeed "blocked" in Italy, Germany and Australia, but I still know several members on the site from those countries, and people from these countries do continue to sign up. The 17 year old that Tantacrul "knew" was in Italy.

What I’m saying is that other people should not be openly discussing those methods, giving links on where to purchase SN, N etc. That in my opinion is encouraging suicide not all agree on that which I appreciate but I’m sure you can see why I see it as encouraging suicide.
It does happen on there if you want to see I will share. We don’t say things without being able to back it up.
The site has been blocked in Italy, Germany and Australia and has been for a couple of years now.

I’ve personally used SS in several countries, including in Germany this past year. If the site gets taken down and has to result to being accessible through Tor only, I don’t think that will have a massive effect either in todays society. One of the first things I learned about in my IT classes was the dark web, what you can find on there (including banned books with guides on how to suicide) and how to use Tor. If someone really wants to die, they will find these sites, those books and go through the loops to access it.

 

[HRT Heisenberg]

Even worse if the government has the power to censor. Just look at Australia and Italy right now, which has SS blocked, they would undoubtedly use that ability to block other sites too.

I absolutely know this is already the case, one Australian politician had a huge spergout over anime which resulted in any sexual content from Japan being outright banned, in that same year there was also a ban on copyrighted content, both of these things were DNS blocked to varying degrees. Italy also did a similar thing with piratebay and the others and also required ID for public wifi. Outing myself as a pirate here but I have traveled to both of these countries after the fact and can tell you now it was always DNS and even worse the blacklists in both countries were poorly maintained - if a website was hosted on a mirror or changed its domain you were free to go until they fixed it, if they ever did. I guarantee that if some of these countries were armed a free pass to blackhole things it will be whatever the politicians want or get paid to support (copyright, etc.).

Hey @Sjm411 given that this is Kiwifarms and most of us here support SS in at least big part for anti-censorship reasons maybe the best way to change minds here is to post all the content you say you have? I'm sure people can keep going around debating regulation and what action to take forever so maybe it's best that we have as many relevant posts from the site we possibly can here for people to see and let the chips fall.

 

[Sjm411]

Sorry, but why are you assuming to tell people what they can and can't talk about? People were discussing methods online on alt.suicide.methods 20-25 years ago. Do you really think getting the site banned in certain countries will help anyone? Whoop de do, it's been blocked in Italy, Germany and Australia. I can tell you now straight up there are members from those countries still actively accessing the website and posting. All you're doing is harming vulnerable people, causing them unnecessary distress and keeping them from being able to freely discuss how they feel with others who understand.

If you look back at what I’ve said you will see that yes there should be somewhere for people to talk freely about how they are feeling, but it is not necessary to discuss methods of suicide.
I’m well aware there are still members from those countries on there, because the site directs you on how to be able to access it, but it will not come up to others who are searching. I know you can sign up as a new member and there’s the loophole on how to sign up if you are trying to sign up from a banned country.

 

[iffywas]

If you look back at what I’ve said you will see that yes there should be somewhere for people to talk freely about how they are feeling, but it is not necessary to discuss methods of suicide.
I’m well aware there are still members from those countries on there, because the site directs you on how to be able to access it, but it will not come up to others who are searching. I know you can sign up as a new member and there’s the loophole on how to sign up if you are trying to sign up from a banned country.

You agree people should be able to talk freely, yet want to police what they talk about. Make it make sense then.
I am truly sorry for the loss of your son but with all due respect, you are doing harm, not good, to vulnerable people.

 

[Prince Vegeta]

Nigger stop double triple posting.