Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[borsabil]

First of all nobody promised Russia shit with respect to NATO expansion. Bush Senior may have mentioned to Gorbachev that NATO would not expand east, but this was to the Premier of the USSR as the thing was literally shaking apart and nobody knew what was going to happen. It was also just him verbally saying something in the last year of Presidency. It wasn't even an executive order, let alone a treaty.

NATO policy has always been open door. The question Russia should be asking is not why NATO expanded, its why does every single country bordering Russia want to be in NATO. Somehow I doubt it's because Russia is a good boy who dindu nuffin, trying to get its life together, go to the moon and shit.

Nobody is MAKING the Ukrainians pay for anything. This is pure Russian cope. Part of the reason this war even started was Russias miscalculation on Ukrainian sentiments of national existence. The idea that dastardly American puppet masters and devious globohomo plotters in Kiev are frog marching hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians to fight against their will is farcical.

Keep in mind when the war started the US offered the Ukrainian Governmemt a golden parachute of comfy "government in exile" and they didn't take it.

What about the Minsk agreements? When the special military operation kicked off one of Putin's justifications was that the west had no intention of sticking to the agreement, not only that they went out of their way to sabotage it.

A transcript of a phone call between Putin and Macron was published by the French proving how 'crazy Putler is' when he made these exact claims before war broke out.

Turns out he was 100% correct about NATO powers being lying fucks as confirmed by Merkel and a whole bunch of other senior members of the western leadership class.

Or is having a written treaty with clear terms also a lolz we weren't serious matter?

 

[mindlessobserver]

What about the Minsk agreements? When the special military operation kicked off one of Putin's justifications was that the west had no intention of sticking to the agreement, not only that they went out of their way to sabotage it.

A transcript of a phone call between Putin and Macron was published by the French proving how 'crazy Putler is' when he made these exact claims before war broke out.

Turns out he was 100% correct about NATO powers being lying fucks as confirmed by Merkel and a whole bunch of other senior members of the western leadership class.

Or is having a written treaty with clear terms also a lolz we weren't serious matter?

The Minsk Agreements had a precondition of Ukraine regaining sovereignty over the Donbass in order for Minsk II to be fully implemented. The problem with the Minsk protocols was that they required answering the Chicken or the Egg first problem. Ukraine had to agree to stop fighting the seperatist governments, and the seperatist governments had to agree to let Ukraine back in.

Neither side could actually do the one thing required for them to live up to their end of the bargain. Which is why Russia pushed for its implementation. In Putins head, this would create another frozen conflict like what exists in Transnistria. What he did not count on was Ukraine using the time to begin building a massive army.

His bitch about Minsk was not it's failure. It was never going to work by design. His bitch was that it was giving Ukraine time to arm up and actually field an army that could threaten Russias designs on the region.

 

[Based Boy]

I am so glad that @mindlessobserver finally scored himself a job at CIA internet propaganda department while i was buying cigarettes.
What happened to other pro-Ukrainian regulars like UVB and Elbereth? Do they still post from time to time or just got bored?
And what about jannies asking for sources? Last time i checked it wasn't a requirement in Happenings. Case of janitorial misconduct?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I am so glad that @mindlessobserver finally scored himself a job at CIA internet propaganda department while i was buying cigarettes.
What happened to other pro-Ukrainian regulars like UVB and Elbereth? Do they still post from time to time or just got bored?
And what about jannies asking for sources? Last time i checked it wasn't a requirement in Happenings. Case of janitorial misconduct?

I think the neocons fell in the great email reset. but mindless has bravely taken up the standard and does his duty (although he should learn to be less convoluted and pick up decent writing skills if he's going to persist in posting fanfiction). We have new ones, including some poorly concealed socks but again, they aren't as fun.

 

[YumeNoHero]

I went out to buy cigarettes for a day and there's another derailing nigger in the thread, fucking hell.

 

[The Punished Mitch]

"Vast over simplification. People forget this all went down a few years after the Russo-Georgian war. THAT was the major turning point, because up until 2008 the consensus in Washington was the cold war was over and Russia could be worked with.

After that war the pro-Russian faction in DC intelligencia lost out to the hawks and the decision was made to fortify NATOs eastern flank. Ukraine was critical to this because if Ukraine remained in the Russian Camp it would be easy for Russia to isolate the Baltics."

That's funny @mindlessobserver because https://www.nato.int/docu/update/2008/04-april/e0403h.html was produced as a result of the april 2-4 2008 NATO summit and it states, among other things:

"At the Bucharest Summit, NATO Allies welcomed Ukraine's and Georgia's Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership and agreed that these countries will become members of NATO."

"The Membership Action Plan (MAP) is the next step for the two countries on their direct way to membership."

Was this summit before or after Russia decided to get busy in Georgia?

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

"Vast over simplification. People forget this all went down a few years after the Russo-Georgian war. THAT was the major turning point, because up until 2008 the consensus in Washington was the cold war was over and Russia could be worked with.

After that war the pro-Russian faction in DC intelligencia lost out to the hawks and the decision was made to fortify NATOs eastern flank. Ukraine was critical to this because if Ukraine remained in the Russian Camp it would be easy for Russia to isolate the Baltics."

That's funny @mindlessobserver because https://www.nato.int/docu/update/2008/04-april/e0403h.html was produced as a result of the april 2-4 2008 NATO summit and it states, among other things:

"At the Bucharest Summit, NATO Allies welcomed Ukraine's and Georgia's Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership and agreed that these countries will become members of NATO."

"The Membership Action Plan (MAP) is the next step for the two countries on their direct way to membership."

Was this summit before or after Russia decided to get busy in Georgia?

NATO summit took place on April 2 in 2008, the shit in Georgia flared up on August 1 in 2008.

Frankly, I am amazed at the number of people practicing Orwellian double-think, going "Har har, Putin has no balls, Russia is toothless and keeps redrawing its red lines, we must push them harder" and then making a surprised Pikachu face when the red lines actually get enforced.

Both Georgia and Ukraine were called red lines as early as 2007 by Putin in his Munich speech, by the way.

 

[Meh123]

That's funny @mindlessobserver because https://www.nato.int/docu/update/2008/04-april/e0403h.html was produced as a result of the april 2-4 2008 NATO summit and it states, among other things:

"At the Bucharest Summit, NATO Allies welcomed Ukraine's and Georgia's Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership and agreed that these countries will become members of NATO."

"The Membership Action Plan (MAP) is the next step for the two countries on their direct way to membership."

Was this summit before or after Russia decided to get busy in Georgia?

Shh, don't confuse him with the actual timeline of the events, you'll ruin his bluepill experience.

 

[Fatniggo1488]

NATO summit took place on April 2 in 2008, the shit in Georgia flared up on August 1 in 2008.

Frankly, I am amazed at the number of people practicing Orwellian double-think, going "Har har, Putin has no balls, Russia is toothless and keeps redrawing its red lines, we must push them harder" and then making a surprised Pikachu face when the red lines actually get enforced.

Both Georgia and Ukraine were called red lines as early as 2007 by Putin in his Munich speech, by the way.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens between the US and China over Taiwan. The situation is largely similar though nothing to the extent of ethnic Russians being killed in the Donbass, but still, there's a clear provocation that the US is acting like just doesn't exist. In Taiwan it's primarily that you do actually have the Taiwanese government trying to claim it's the legitimate government of China. It's not as clear cut as the Donbass situation, but certainly something which could easily be handled diplomatically but most likely wont be.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

"Vast over simplification. People forget this all went down a few years after the Russo-Georgian war. THAT was the major turning point, because up until 2008 the consensus in Washington was the cold war was over and Russia could be worked with.

After that war the pro-Russian faction in DC intelligencia lost out to the hawks and the decision was made to fortify NATOs eastern flank. Ukraine was critical to this because if Ukraine remained in the Russian Camp it would be easy for Russia to isolate the Baltics."

That's funny @mindlessobserver because https://www.nato.int/docu/update/2008/04-april/e0403h.html was produced as a result of the april 2-4 2008 NATO summit and it states, among other things:

"At the Bucharest Summit, NATO Allies welcomed Ukraine's and Georgia's Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership and agreed that these countries will become members of NATO."

"The Membership Action Plan (MAP) is the next step for the two countries on their direct way to membership."

Was this summit before or after Russia decided to get busy in Georgia?

What can you expect from someone who posts a revisionist history of Russia penned by glowniggers Ukronationalists pretending Ukraine was never part of Russia as far back as 882?

 

[Meh123]

NATO general: "We're ready to take Russia head-on"
Also NATO general: "We have strengthened the battlegrous in ... Hungary"

I'm fairly certain that NATO have no battlegroup in HU, and also last I checked Orbán's stance was firmly "no passage of military equipment through the HU borders"

 

[just a banana]

well well well
"Given that all the trading companies that received the order are affiliated with military or public security agencies, North Korea appears intent to send soldiers or police personnel – not civilians – to eastern Ukraine.2

https://www.dailynk.com/english/north-korea-orders-trading-companies-russia-select-personnel-send-ukraine/

 

[Feline Supremacist]

well well well
"Given that all the trading companies that received the order are affiliated with military or public security agencies, North Korea appears intent to send soldiers or police personnel – not civilians – to eastern Ukraine.2

https://www.dailynk.com/english/north-korea-orders-trading-companies-russia-select-personnel-send-ukraine/

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Vaya, por fin la vaina



Commie Bloc 21st century edition.

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

The Oligarchs that looted Ukraine after the fall of the Soviet Union were not Russians, they were Ukrainian born Oligarchs like Poreshenko and co who are the reason for Ukrainians woes more so than the West or Russia. Ukraine did this to themselves for 20 years after the fall.

Vatniggers justify invading Ukraine in the same way an incel justifies attempts to rape his own sister. "She refused the sexual advances of her onii-chan, and she was always bringing her boyfriend around, so I had no choice."

 

[AgendaPoster]

many Euros think of Texas as landlocked due to all the western films set in it, cowboys, indians, alamo, mexican war, etc. Very little is ever talked about in Europe about its water connection.

Nah that was just my mistake, it was late and I didn't really bother to open the map to make sure. Point stands for other states which are landlocked.

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

well well well
"Given that all the trading companies that received the order are affiliated with military or public security agencies, North Korea appears intent to send soldiers or police personnel – not civilians – to eastern Ukraine.2

https://www.dailynk.com/english/north-korea-orders-trading-companies-russia-select-personnel-send-ukraine/

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North Korea does similar things in China with regards to exporting slave labor.

 

[RobotDog]

Brand new prediction from Oleksii Reznikov just dropped, after accurately informing the world about Russia's new mobilization and closing of borders in early january, The Oracle of Kiev now says: [Russia] will try something around February 24

https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1621093821705588738

https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/02...ensive-in-february-ukraines-defense-minister/

 

[AgendaPoster]

De Welt says it's over for Ukraine. Chances of winning are practically zero.

Even if it loses, at least they'll get to lob 2.2B worth of long range missiles at the vatniklands and cause some mayhem
But who cares.
In much better, funnier news, the antifa tranny Soloviev has yet again spent his TV time, paid by the vatnik state, to moan about The Evil Zapad and Muh Ebil Natzees. His own crew might be sabotaging him too, lmao, which yet again results in a typical HRT abstinence ragefit. He's just like Ethan Ralph, an impotent ragepiggie, but I will give it to him that he lost weight.
Enjoy the Antifa TV!

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Even if it loses, at least they'll get to lob 2.2B worth of long range missiles at the vatniklands and cause some mayhem
But who cares.
In much better, funnier news, the antifa tranny Soloviev has yet again spent his TV time, paid by the vatnik state, to moan about The Evil Zapad and Muh Ebil Natzees. His own crew might be sabotaging him too, lmao, which yet again results in a typical HRT abstinence ragefit. He's just like Ethan Ralph, an impotent ragepiggie, but I will give it to him that he lost weight.
Enjoy the Antifa TV!

Hilariously enough, that post got moved to the A&N thread. No harm in discussing it here, though.

Aren't you concerned that after the government collapses there, Ukraine can just as easily turn those missiles south and east, putting your own country firmly within their reach? You know how quickly the balance of power can shift in a failed state like Ukraine or Afghanistan, there are no guarantees they won't turn on their western paypigs after being fully saturated with weapons and extremist propaganda. All it takes is one coup, Zelya's head is on a pike, and now Ukrainian generals are aiming everything they have eastward.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

CIA Director William Burns reportedly offered Russian President Vladimir Putin a fifth of Ukraine's territory to end the war as part of a peace plan drawn up on behalf of President Joe Biden.

Burns is believed to have submitted the plan in mid-January to put an end to the war

According to the newspaper, the proposal offered "around 20 percent of Ukraine's territory"—approximately the size

Kyiv reportedly shut down the proposal "because they are not willing to have their territory divided" while Russian officials said they "will win the war in the long run anyway," NZZ reported.

This shows that neither Biden nor the CIA believe Ukraine can win anymore. Interesting.

Hilariously enough, that post got moved to the A&N thread. No harm in discussing it here, though

Just quote the important paragraphs of your post and post that here.