Eliezer Schlomo Yudkowsky / LessWrong

[AnOminous]

I don't profess to know Roko's post history that well, but it would be funny if it turned out that he was just having a laugh by reframing something the website derides in the site's own terms and watching the site melt down over it.

It's also funny if he was serious. Or just committing a thougth-experiment and they Yuddo flipped his wig over it. It's just funny period. It's like a college sophomore who just took Phil 101 first encountering solipsism and actually freaking out about it instead of just viewing it as an interesting proposition at best.

After all it's not like you can actually do anything about it. There's no Gangster Computer God Worldwide Secret Containment Policy you can actually donate to or anything.

 

[teriyakiburns]

After all it's not like you can actually do anything about it. There's no Gangster Computer God Worldwide Secret Containment Policy you can actually donate to or anything.

Anyone know how to set up a gofundme? Asking for a friend.

 

[Dr. Butt]

2. https://alfredmacdonald.substack.com/p/vibecamp-and-its-consequences — this is thorough, but very long; ~9500 words. At normal reading speed this is about 40 minutes, assuming no breaks. Make sure you have time, or at least can break your reading into parts.

Thanks for telling us how reading and the passage of time work, Rationalist Jesus.

 

[melty]

Before I forget: here are things related to the "postrationalists", which some people were interested in:

Aside from your personal drama, this was pretty cathartic to read, in fact. I recently got sucked into tpot briefly and it felt like what I imagine it's what being in a cult feels like.
This was primarily drug-fueled, some of your screencaps from the technoyogi bullshit article are exactly the kind of stuff I'd write high and think was really insightful.
Ultimately I realized these people are not only degenerate, but just kind of losers. Though I don't agree with your premise regarding privacy and anonymity, you probably hit on something with the idea that they have to hide their identity because it would be too obvious they are losers and fewer people would want to listen to them or take them seriously, as well as your point that they take themselves too seriously and all the "opsec" is kind of cringe.
They also have a cargo cult approach to social interaction where they observe it, and they pick it apart and try to recreate it, but just seem to miss the point overall and end up acting out a pale imitation of it that really only works on one another. They need to spend more time, like, just talking to people, bro.

 

[Madoka Magica]

Kiwifarms (and Encyclopedia Dramatica) gets a mention in Scott's latest post (archive):
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What "false allegations" is he referring to? Is crying about others not being "good Bayesians" simply rationalist copemode whenever some unfavorable facts about them come to light?

 

[demicolon]

When true AI comes, it will figure out the simple relation of God->Humans & Humans->AI therefore God==ProbablyTrue, then start a jihad and torture everyone who doesn't pray 5 times a day to secure eternal afterlife for them.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

What "false allegations" is he referring to? Is crying about others not being "good Bayesians" simply rationalist copemode whenever some unfavorable facts about them come to light?

In present day context, "Bayesian" basically means "your probability calculations are worthless baseless conjecture, while MY probability calculations are unassailable baseless conjecture, because Science™".

 

[Alfred MacDonald]

"Markass the Worst" (I don't know why he is the worst) said future stuff about LW people should go here so I am doing that.

Here's an example of an email exchange between himself and a site moderator because the site didn't work in portrait mode: https://pastebin.com/raw/e2wp95L8

This hits. Like, I feel this guy. I've had this exact kind of exchange with them, and I've tried to articulate why it's flawed and I've done my best but I am only one guy.

Most of the IRL people come from an upper middle class background; I know this because I polled them. If we combine upper middle class and upper class into a single category (I call this "comfort class") then my pulled out of ass estimate is at least 70% come from that background, maybe 80%.

They're extremely used to polite norms, even in subtle ways. I usually type with all-lowercase and I'm not doing it here because I know what I type will be read by a general audience. The lowercase thing was something LessWrongs complained about until whenever Twitter and/or Aella/Eigenrobot made them get over it. (As in, "you should capitalize properly because Halo Effect." It took everything in me to resist saying "yes well you should be less ugly because Halo Effect.")

This is their Achilles.

Like, comedians can call it like they see it. There is an epistemology to this that relies on more subtle social dynamics and they just haven't figured it out — but that means any pro comedian would be banned eventually in their space. Tom Segura would be banned. Probably even John Mulaney! I don't put stock in any community that would ban either of those two.

And I know this isn't insensitivity, because the more empathetic people in the group were able to figure out when I was joking vs when I wasn't. I don't think it's an autism spectrum thing either. I really think they've just taken themselves too seriously and developed a model for it to conform to so that they reinforce this behavior.

so, TLDR: Gwern was ridiculous in that exchange. The guy went ridiculously out of his way to provide good feedback. LessWrongs have an extremely poor tolerance to perceived hostility.

And btw — my ex fiancée was a black woman and we A/B tested this tone thing by posting replies I'd think of under her name. You don't even need me to finish this story — you know how it turned out, lol. She coined a term for this called "formality blanket", i.e. people who enforce formality because it's comfortable.

 

[Polish Businessman]

1. They kept their own lists, and are hyper-paranoid in spite of that. The Austin scene banned a local poet by mistake for a few months because they thought she was a journalist, I believe for the NYT in particular.

This doesn't seem too paranoid at all, given what happened to Scott's job for example. Not everyone has a job immune to reputational attacks.

 

[Zonga]

This doesn't seem too paranoid at all, given what happened to Scott's job for example. Not everyone has a job immune to reputational attacks.

As if to underline the point:

Effective Altruism Has a Hostile Culture for Women, Critics Say

Seven women connected to effective altruism tell TIME they experienced harassment and worse within the community

t.co

 

[Polish Businessman]

As if to underline the point:

Effective Altruism Has a Hostile Culture for Women, Critics Say

Seven women connected to effective altruism tell TIME they experienced harassment and worse within the community

t.co

I don't know what's worse here - this hippie communal lifestyle (assuming it's even true) or these Elevatorgate-like attacks. I tried to write some more, but I would get hats. It's just all extremely grim.

 

[Markass the Worst]

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I don't know what's worse here - this hippie communal lifestyle (assuming it's even true) or these Elevatorgate-like attacks. I tried to write some more, but I would get hats. It's just all extremely grim.

Welcome to the farms where we hate everyone equally.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

Lots of fun here:

 

[Polish Businessman]

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Lots of fun here:
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Yea, she was being "groomed" in 2018. Because of course in 2018 she just an inexperienced child. She only co-founded one business at that point.



The absolute state of California

Edit: Yep, time to shove some CoC up your rationalist ass:

 

[melty]

I don't think this has been posted here and it's too hilarious not to. Yuddo can read HTML but not CSS:


....Can he code? He mentions Python once in awhile but it doesn't seem like something he uses much.

 

[Polish Businessman]

I don't think this has been posted here and it's too hilarious not to. Yuddo can read HTML but not CSS:

I can't read or write CSS either, I have to google "how to vertically center a div" every time. I'm not into memorizing phonebooks.

He mentions Python once in awhile but it doesn't seem like something he uses much.

This is more worrying.

 

[Markass the Worst]

....Can he code? He mentions Python once in awhile but it doesn't seem like something he uses much.

He's in the same boat as Aella who literally had to be hand held through learning hello world in Python by her twitter simps. Seems like a common affliction with all rationalists.

 

[Flatline]

Seems like a common affliction with all rationalists.

They pawn off any serious dev work to simps.

 

[AnOminous]

I don't know what's worse here - this hippie communal lifestyle (assuming it's even true) or these Elevatorgate-like attacks. I tried to write some more, but I would get hats. It's just all extremely grim.

It sounds like a degenerate sex cult using wokeshit to justify the abhorrent behavior of its members.

 

[Polish Businessman]

It sounds like a degenerate sex cult using wokeshit to justify the abhorrent behavior of its members.

Maybe. Or maybe not. I'm skeptical, because the only time I witnessed "X community has rape problem" headline about people I know personally, it was entirely false.

Spoiler: true story

At a conference some lady cheated on her husband, accidentally with a guy who knew the husband, but didn't know it was his wife. When shit hit the fan, she cried rape. She also managed to recruit additional accusers, whose stories turned out to be physically impossible (requiring bilocation of multiple persons).