Plagued The Alt-Right

[Abethedemon]

Weren't Greek paintings and statues highly stylized? And what does he mean by "pretty because of cosmetic tricks"? Most of Ingres' paintings look like that.

From what I recall, they were very idealized. Oftentimes, especially in the later periods, the sculptures would be 7-8 feet tall.

 

[Lorento]

Weren't Greek paintings and statues highly stylized? And what does he mean by "pretty because of cosmetic tricks"? Most of Ingres' paintings look like that.

It's funny, because all of the sculpted statues of naked men in Ancient Greece represent an ideal and obviously not every motherfucker was going to look as youthful, muscular or....well, perfect, though I loath to use the word. In other words, sculptors used cosmetic tricks to create the perfect man (I might add that this still exists for men and women today in advertising)

So idealising mens' bodies because of their muscles, penis size or looks is perfectly okay. But if you do that to a woman, you are a cuck and a complete decadent imbecile.

In conclusion, the Ancient Greeks found naked men appealing in statue form and they enjoyed having anal sex with other men. This man also idealises naked men (From Classical Greece no less) so I can only assume that he too would like have anal sex with other men, particularly ones who are black and have large penises.

 

[Lensherr]

The funniest thing about a lot of these wanna-be Greco-Roman pederasts is their lack of self-awareness--which admittedly is the funny thing about a lot of the alt-right. The male body is "pudgy and amorphous" as well if you don't work out (and surprise surprise, most alt-righters tend to be keyboard jockeys). The reason ancient Greek men were all buff and fit was that they were expected to fight and generally participate in the world while ancient greek women were kept mainly at home (with some exceptions, such as those of the Spartans). In a society where women can hit the gym, surprise surprise, we have girls that look like Maria Kang rather than "amorphous blobs."

They like to think of themselves as this:

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But really, they're more like this:

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[on a serious note]

They like to think of themselves as this:

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But really, they're more like this:

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Lol theyre definitely not Spartans. A spartan mother would have chucked them off a cliff shortly after birth.

 

[Tookie]

What's going on in the last one

They're North Korean refugees in the Chinese city of Shenyang trying to get past the Chinese police into the Japanese consulate to appeal for asylum before the Chinese deport them back to NK.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/09/world/north-koreans-seek-asylum-at-consulates-in-china.html

Seven people tried to barge into consulates in the northeastern Chinese city of Shenyang today, the latest in a string of attempts by desperate North Koreans to gain political asylum by taking refuge in Western diplomatic compounds in China.

Two people successfully scaled the wall of the American Consulate in Shenyang and were still inside as of nightfall. Another five, including a family with a 2-year-old, were caught by the Chinese guards as they rushed the open gate at the Japanese Consulate, according to South Korean aid groups concerned with the plight of North Korean refugees.

Japanese diplomats in Beijing lodged a protest with the Chinese Foreign Ministry this afternoon, asserting that the Chinese police had actually entered the Japanese compound to arrest two of the people, in violation of consular agreements.

 

[Linako 2.0]

 

[Feline Darkmage]

An alt-right podcast by a lolcow is live right now

 

[Lorento]

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Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't one of the Pillars of Islam about giving money to the less well off?

 

[GL99]

Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't one of the Pillars of Islam about giving money to the less well off?

Yup. Zakat, I believe.

 

[FlamingPie]

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What's that? You want terrorists to suicide bomb people?

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Also, as far as Muslims are concerned, much of the hate Jews got in medieval Europe was precisely because many of them supported the Muslim caliphate in the South of Spain during the reconquista. Jews lived pretty well over there (this guy comes to mind, for example). But whatever, there's no point reasoning with a complete twat.

Is this opposite day? The vast majority of Jews did not support the Muslim caliphate for the majority of its existence. Yes, at first the Moors were not so bad and for some periods life for both Jews and Christians was pretty good under them but that was only for the first couple hundred years. By 900 things were getting already more tense, after the Berber invasion and collapse of the Umayyads persecutions grew, by the mid 1000 you had the Granada Pogrom that killed 4,000 and lead to the beginning of the major exodus, and in 1150 when the Almoravids (the Salafists of their day) took over all hell broke lose. The Rabbi you linked to? He was forced to flee Spain at 15 with his family because the persecutions were so severe, along with tens of thousands if not more that year.

The vast majority of Spanish Jews ended up siding with Catholic, not Muslim, Spain while those two cohabited because life under the Catholics was nowhere near as bad as its been portrayed, and life under the Muslims nowhere near as good as its been either.

The only time life is good for any minority under Muslim rules is when those Muslims are Muslims In Name Only. The second they get religious it always goes bad for everyone else (Muslims not religious enough/from the wrong branch as well).

That Rabbi you linked to, he ended up living in a cave for almost a decade years after arriving in Morocco when the same thing happened almost right after they arrived. There was a revolution by the Almohads and they took over the same place as well. He ended up hating Islam and the Quran even though he served (not by choice) as the personal physician of Saladin.

Muslims pretty much blamed the loss of Spain on Jewish collaboration with the Catholic and rant about it to this day.

 

[Lensherr]

An alt-right podcast by a lolcow is live right now

Didn't this guy get kicked out of the Free State Project because he threatened to kill cops and then joined up with the Alt-Right?

 

[Internet War Criminal]

And as a closer to my last post, here's what that Rabbi wrote to close his letter to Yemenite Jews:

But the Muslim nation is not only needed as a precursor for the Messiah, but also as a punishment for the Jews, as Maimonides explains in the last chapter of the letter. Reminding the readers of the letter, he explains that “on account of the vast number of our sins God has hurled us into the midst of this people, the Arabs, who have persecuted us severely, and passed baneful and discriminatory legislation against us … Never did a nation molest, degrade, debase, and hate us as much as they.”

That's what he thought about life under Muslim rule.

 

[Sheikh_Speare]

By 900 things were getting already more tense, after the Berber invasion and collapse of the Umayyads persecutions grew, by the mid 1000 you had the Granada Pogrom that killed 4,000 and lead to the beginning of the major exodus, and in 1150 when the Almoravids (the Salafists of their day) took over all hell broke lose.

The Almoravids finished their Spanish conquests in the 1090's, not 1150. In fact, 1150 is a little bit after the end of the Almoravid kingdom in 1147.

You are probably thinking of the Almohads. Neither the Almoravids nor the Almohads are really comparable to Salafists except in extremely superficial ways.

The Almoravids started as a religious/tax-protestor movement, but the religious elements of their rise were less important than their latent Berber nationalism.

The Almohads were a messianic movement heavily inspired by esoteric Shi'ism, Sufi mysticism, and Neoplatonism (Ibn Tumart's epistles are saturated with Greek philosophy). They resemble the Salafis only in the sense of being a militant religious movement, but doctrinally are the polar opposite. The Almohad sultans were trying to be Platonic philosopher-kings. I can't think of anything less similar to Wahhabism.

The vast majority of Spanish Jews ended up siding with Catholic, not Muslim, Spain while those two cohabited because life under the Catholics was nowhere near as bad as its been portrayed, and life under the Muslims nowhere near as good as its been either.

Medieval society was strongly hierarchical and that was true in Muslim and Christian kingdoms. However, it's a little stupid to go the opposite direction and pretend that medieval Spain was a candy-colored wonderland for Jews.

The only time life is good for any minority under Muslim rules is when those Muslims are Muslims In Name Only. The second they get religious it always goes bad for everyone else (Muslims not religious enough/from the wrong branch as well).

You're engaging in some heavy confirmation bias there.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

You are probably thinking of the Almohads. Neither the Almoravids nor the Almohads are really comparable to Salafists except in extremely superficial ways.

I edited that sentence four times, and apparently erased the wrong section. You can see me reference 'the same thing that happened with the Almohads' later on when talking about the first time they took over in his lifetime in Spain.

As far as them being comparable superficially only to Salafists I'd mostly agree but I'm addressing people who have never heard of them before, so how else do you want me to explain that concisely? 'They were extremists bearded men who were not happy with the State of Islam and took over' is about as good as it gets. As you said yourself:

They resemble the Salafis only in the sense of being a militant religious movement

The rest is minutiae that's irrelevant re:the point I was making.

Medieval society was strongly hierarchical and that was true in Muslim and Christian kingdoms. However, it's a little stupid to go the opposite direction and pretend that medieval Spain was a candy-colored wonderland for Jews.

Up to the expulsion off Spain, it kinda was. Jews, since the destruction of the Temple and expulsion from the Romans, had never gotten even close to the kind of freedoms, prosperity, successes in commerce and society as a whole, as they did all the way to the expulsion. It was not a candy-colored wonderland, but in terms of Jewish history up to that point, it was pretty damn near. And by far most of it happened under the Catholics and not the Muslims.

You're engaging in some heavy confirmation bias there.

I was born as a minority in a Muslim-majority country. It's the story of my people in Muslim lands, and the story of every single minority that lived in Muslim land that I've studied. There is no one that fares well under Islam once the religious take over. Confirmation bias? Maybe. Reality? Absolutely.

 

[Gentleman of Entropy]

Stefan Molyneux is becoming more and more alt-right nowadays, blaming the Jews for what the migrant crisis has done to Sweden

(around the 13 or 14 minute mark)

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Stefan Molyneux is becoming more and more alt-right nowadays, blaming the Jews for what the migrant crisis has done to Sweden

I'm sure all those 12 Swedish Jews had a huge hand in all of this. Also Fable sucked anyway.

 

[Sheikh_Speare]

Up to the expulsion off Spain, it kinda was. Jews, since the destruction of the Temple and expulsion from the Romans, had never gotten even close to the kind of freedoms, prosperity, successes in commerce and society as a whole, as they did all the way to the expulsion. It was not a candy-colored wonderland, but in terms of Jewish history up to that point, it was pretty damn near. And by far most of it happened under the Catholics and not the Muslims.

Ah yes, because the "Golden Age of Jewish culture in Spain" happened mostly in Castile and Galicia...

Oh wait, no it didn't.

I'm only half-Jewish and I don't claim to be a scholar on Jewish history, but this is the first time I'm ever heard anyone tout how awesome medieval Christian Spain was for Jews. Most of the influential Spanish Jews I can name lived during the period of Umayyad rule. There's a reason why most famous medieval Spanish Jews are known by Arabicized names.

The period of greatest Jewish persecution was when the Banu Umayya collapsed and Andalus fell into an anarchy that saw a lot of inter-communal violence in general. The Taifa period was essentially a huge race war. I don't think you can blame the Taifa King period on Islamic religiosity, especially when it was also the period of greatest cooperation between Christian and Muslim kings (one of the reasons it was seen as an irreligious period by devout Muslims at the time).

The Almoravid period was fairly placid for Jews and they had a lot of Jews in the court. It wasn't as great for Jews as the Umayyad period, but I know of no major abuses.

As for the Almohads, their early rule was terrible for Jews, but it was bizarre in a lot of other ways as well. Even they calmed the fuck down after they stopped pretending it was the End Times and that Ibn Tumart had been the Mahdi (most of the Jews were gone by then though).

I was born as a minority in a Muslim-majority country. It's the story of my people in Muslim lands, and the story of every single minority that lived in Muslim land that I've studied. There is no one that fares well under Islam once the religious take over. Confirmation bias? Maybe. Reality? Absolutely.

Are you one of those Middle Eastern Christians who espouses hardcore right-wing opinions and supports fascist regimes in principle, but also likes to whine about how the way your ethnic group is treated is anudda shoah?

 

[Trombonista]

This Karol Traven doesn't even appear to exist.....

I bet Ex-Army is Karol Traven.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

I'm only half-Jewish and I don't claim to be a scholar on Jewish history, but this is the first time I'm ever heard anyone tout how awesome medieval Christian Spain was for Jews

Then you should read more about it. There are a lot of misconception about this period, mostly by Muslim and Orientalist historians who want to paint the 'Golden Age' of Muslim Spain much differently than what it truly was, and in order to do so present Christian Spain as much worse than it was.

The period of greatest Jewish persecution was when the Banu Umayya collapsed and Andalus fell into an anarchy that saw a lot of inter-communal violence in general. The Taifa period was essentially a huge race war. I don't think you can blame the Taifa King period on Islamic religiosity, especially when it was also the period of greatest cooperation between Christian and Muslim kings (one of the reasons it was seen as an irreligious period by devout Muslims at the time).

The Almoravid period was fairly placid for Jews and they had a lot of Jews in the court. It wasn't as great for Jews as the Umayyad period, but I know of no major abuses.

As for the Almohads, their early rule was terrible for Jews, but it was bizarre in a lot of other ways as well. Even they calmed the fuck down after they stopped pretending it was the End Times and that Ibn Tumart had been the Mahdi (most of the Jews were gone by then though).

If that's the case, why is it that the biggest exodus of Jews either North or toward Portugal beginning in the 12th century and not a couple hundred years before that? As bad as the Taifa period was, there was nowhere near the amount of Jews who fled Spain as they did starting in the 12th century. A lot of it has to do with the Taifa period where it was mostly autonomous principalities so while it might be terrible in X place, in Y it wasn't so bad so people would just move over there. Starting around the early 1100s, however, things were bad all over and by the mid-centuries they were literally fleeing or converting and pretending to be Muslims to be left alone

Are you one of those Middle Eastern Christians who espouses hardcore right-wing opinions and supports fascist regimes in principle, but also likes to whine about how the way your ethnic group is treated is anudda shoah?

I'm not gonna dox myself, since my ethnic group is pretty small. And anyway I feel like we should go back to the Alt-Right and if we open that can of worms we're gonna get further down that derail