Chinese Communist Party Megathread - Cold War 2: Electric Boogaloo

America's given us Netflix & BLM recently, they also sold the multicultural fucking meme to the world when the stark reality was multiculturalism from Europe itself will build a super country but multiculturalism from Mexicans and blacks will not.

Would we really want to preserve and persist with the United States of America, the revolution and the war is at home. Your local leftist is your enemy, not China.
Meanwhile, China runs an authoritarian surveillance state that puts anything America can do to shame. And it’s run by a loan shark that wants to take over the world. I think America is worth dealing with the bullshit.
 
Yeah, and more likely to get thrown in a van, and have your organs harvested.
Honestly, the water carrying for the CCP and regimes like it in the name of “not being woke” is a great way for the right to make a fool of itself.

Least your less likely to be sucker punched by blacks...
Enjoy your fifty cents, my man.
 
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Meanwhile, China runs an authoritarian surveillance state that puts anything America can do to shame.
Only because our rulers haven't gotten far enough to go full China yet. Gotta boil the frog first. But they sure want to and sure have gotten us ever closer.
And it’s run by a loan shark that wants to take over the world. I think America is worth dealing with the bullshit.
Belt and Road is NOTHING compared to what the IMF and World Bank have done for decades in enforcing Western rule over the world via loansharking. And that's not even considering actual, literal loansharks like Paul Singer (also a HUGE donor to RINOs and homosexual orgs BTW). In fact, the Belt and Road Project existing is a GOOD THING since it gives global finance (which is ran by Western nations so reflects their biases) competition.

Let's consider that in the long run, you'll have no freedom in either the US or China, but in China you have vaguely stable families and racial harmony since the country is like 92% Han Chinese/8% mostly other Asian minorities and the US/West will be a mutt hellhole where nobody speaks your language, all culture is spat upon and trampled on, and your children are taught to cut their dicks/breasts off and there's nothing you can do about it because they'll just import another million gimmegrants.
 
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LOOK UP IN THE SKY! IT’S A BIRD! IT’S A PLANE! IT’S A CHINESE SPY BALLOON​

Cartoon published 02/03/2023

There was a high-altitude spy balloon sent from communist China spotted hovering over our state of Montana. Now it is moving over the center of our nation heading towards North Carolina.

It was sent down over Canada and most likely engaged in spying on nuclear missile silos near Great Falls. Biden and his Pentagon traitors refused to shoot it down, claiming it might leave a debris trail and harm those below. This is a howler because Montana is very sparsely populated and it’s very likely the debris would fall harmlessly on prairie snow. Even if it did fall over a city it would be worth it to make a point—the US will not tolerate a spy balloon over its territory. Would the communist regime tolerate a US spy balloon over China? Of course not.


Apparently Trudeau is perfectly OK with such a balloon over Canada. He and Klaus Schwab have expressed admiration for the Chicoms and even think they serve as a template for global governance.


It’s foolish to expect any push back from Joe Biden. After all, he has left our borders wide open to invaders, crime, and drugs. Why should he object to Chinese invaders—especially since his son made lucrative business deals with Chinese communist companies and Joe got his cut. General Milley is also a traitor who undermined President Trump by making unauthorized phone calls to his communist counterpart in China. Our government is rife with compromised politicians, bureaucrats, and military men. Apparently they serve China, not the United States.


It’s foolish to expect any push back from Joe Biden. After all, he has left our borders wide open to invaders, crime, and drugs. Why should he object to Chinese invaders—especially since his son made lucrative business deals with Chinese communist companies and Joe got his cut. General Milley is also a traitor who undermined President Trump by making unauthorized phone calls to his communist counterpart in China. Our government is rife with compromised politicians, bureaucrats, and military men. Apparently they serve China, not the United States.


China Joe has once again proved he’s a traitor. We may as well have President Xi in the White House.

— Ben Garrison
 
War with China is not likely to happen, at least anytime soon. Both sides have ample reason to avoid conflict (economically, militarily, geo-strategically, etc.), and as much as China probably wants Taiwan to be formally part of the mainland, the current "strategic ambiguity" of the US' stance on Taiwan and Taiwan's refusal to formally declare independence is enough to at least not give China a strong casus belli. Plus, what a lot of people seem to forget, is that almost half of Taiwanese exports go to mainland China. Declaring war, blockading exports, or calling sanctions in TSMC will hurt China just as much as it does everyone else.

And as for wargaming, I think the result is more up in the air than anyone gives it credit for. China still definitely has disadvantages in technology, corruption, military experience, and the difficulty of amphibious invasions. However, they do well in local power projection, have a much easier logistics situation (assuming they're better at that than Russia), and are rapidly approaching parity with the US.


If China can capture Taiwan (peacefully through subversion or militarily), they can deny America all of the technology it's military and economy needs to continue functioning.
Fabs in America are still under construction and they are not anywhere near the sophistication or volume of Taiwan. China would hypothetically rise to #1 barring the US response.

I could see US glowies blowing up and sabotaging all the TSMC fabs on the island and blaming it on Chinese forces or Taiwanese nationalists leaving every westerner in the stone age and a new computer costing as much as a new car.

Very high risk to China but an ultra high reward. The more Americans are out of their minds obsessed with Ukraine and Putin the more opportunity China has to land a deathblow. The defence plan so far is "well they wouldn't dare because x,y,z". Putin certainly did dare and Xi/China are far more capable and ideologically obsessed with ushering in the age of Chinese supremacy. All they need is "their island" back.

All of the logistical challenges China faces in delivering an invasion force to the tune of hundreds of thousands 100km away, the US faces 100 fold by being an ocean away. What will Russia, Turkey, Iran and NK start if America commits to a game of grabass on the Pacific islands?
 
Let's consider that in the long run, you'll have no freedom in either the US or China, but in China you have vaguely stable families and racial harmony since the country is like 92% Han Chinese/8% mostly other Asian minorities and the US/West will be a mutt hellhole where nobody speaks your language, all culture is spat upon and trampled on, and your children are taught to cut their dicks/breasts off and there's nothing you can do about it because they'll just import another million gimmegrants.
Look, Ma! I found the wumao!
 
I could see US glowies blowing up and sabotaging all the TSMC fabs on the island and blaming it on Chinese forces or Taiwanese nationalists leaving every westerner in the stone age and a new computer costing as much as a new car.
I believe that's a contingency if China were about to take Taiwan militarily, but not likely to happen. Even if you believe there's some grand conspiracy by the feds/jews/whatever to oppress everyone, that conspiracy seems pretty heavily reliant on tech.
Very high risk to China but an ultra high reward.
Risk is much higher than the reward in this case, especially since China typically likes to play things relatively safe militarily.
The more Americans are out of their minds obsessed with Ukraine and Putin the more opportunity China has to land a deathblow
Eh, not really. We really haven't touched our more advanced stockpiles in giving shit to Ukraine (especially since a conflict with China would mostly be in the air and sea), and combinant command means intelligence can effectively split its focus between Russia and China without really sacrificing much.
The defence plan so far is "well they wouldn't dare because x,y,z". Putin certainly did dare and Xi/China are far more capable and ideologically obsessed with ushering in the age of Chinese supremacy. All they need is "their island" back.
Aside from being a drastically different situation, China seems a lot more cautious and militarily prudent than Russia. China wants to finish updating its armed forces, establish effective power projection up to and probably past the island chain, and further insulate itself against economic and technological blowback before it even thinks of amassing its forces for invasion.
All of the logistical challenges China faces in delivering an invasion force to the tune of hundreds of thousands 100km away, the US faces 100 fold by being an ocean away.
Kind of. They are definitely in auch more advantageous logistical situation, but the US isn't completely fucked on that front. I believe the idea is that our bases on Japan, for example, can be supported by the Japanese until an effective logistics train is set up.
What will Russia, Turkey, Iran and NK start if America commits to a game of grabass on the Pacific islands?
Russia's already started something and it isn't going too well for them. Iran is already pulling shit with the Saudis yhrough the hoithis and seems pretty comfortable fighting their proxy war. Greece and South Korea are pretty prepared to defend themselves if Turkey or NK tries something. It's possible one of them might try something but really there isn't much you can do about that other than making sure their potential targets can defend themselves enough to deter something.
Look, Ma! I found the wumao!
I'm pretty sure he's just a tard who jerks himself off to any anti-west propaganda he can find.
 
The Taiwan question is certainly has plenty of unknown factors that make an outcome hard to judge on the surface.

We don't know the actually quality of the Chinese army against a competent foe; they seem very good a shooting civilians, but last time they fought a war was Vietnam in '79, and they got BTFO'd there. Granted that was decades ago, but the recent skirmish in the Himalayas with India doesn't inspire much confidence there.
An army can have all the upgraded weapons and better tech all they want, but we ultimately don't know how much corruption might have eaten in to their performance, early Russian performance in Ukraine comes to mind, where the impressive convoys broke down early on, and the Russians have been scrambling to try clean the shit out of their system. Makes one wonder how bad the Chinese are in this regard (and Taiwanese to be completely fair)

We don't know how resistant to casualties the Chinese will be, as while Historically they throw tens of thousands throughout Chinese history, past isn't indicative of casualties. Russia historically has been pretty casualty resistant, and is proving so in Ukraine, but for the Soviet Union, 14 thousand dead in Afghanistan was too many to bear, and then for China we have to consider the already abysmal state of their demographics weighing further.

Every Mr. Xing that dies in Taiwan is a family that likely only had this one child and invested everything into him, and now he's dead and that's a valuable 20 something that can't work or consume product for the economy going forward. And alongside that the entire family line is now gone going forward too. That causes trauma.

What if they first initial waves of the Invasion fail, or it instantly bogs down into a shitty urban guerilla fuckfest? Is there a prolonged limit to how much they're willing to expend over the island? The West has shown it's willing to fight to the last Ukrainian, maybe the last Taiwanese is worth it to exhaust China.

How much would the Taiwanese population tolerate in that circumstance? We heard a lot about the balance between those would are willing to acceed to China and those who want to be independent, but as we have observed in Ukraine, counting on the enemy to just immediately flip to you because you are similar to them is a risky plan. (And the Russians had more reason to expect it than the Chinese do, Crimea flipped in '14 without much effort, Taiwan and China have been apart far longer than that.

Can't guage western reactions either; while we all love to observe how western leadership bends over backwards to China, the reaction to Ukraine will have likely conditioned people to demand a similar response to Chinese aggression. And some corps will likely take action outside of government direction, but we don't know how extensive these actions could be. But Ukraine has shown that the West is willing to throw sanctions around like STDs if it wishes. If TSMC was obliterated and the populations of the west denied access to new iPhones, is there a point where they just go "to hell with it" and go all in on retaliation? Can they sustain a seabased supply train to Taiwan if it comes down to it?

We don't know how self-insulated China can make itself prior to going for the invasion, if it'll be enough to see them through or if it's a vulnerability they can't square the circle for. How much could a blockade outside Chinese waters like say the strait of Mallaca really do to the Chinese economy?

So many what ifs. A lot of these have been known for years but Ukraine has certainly provided observations that one would be fools to completely dismiss. It's not unreasonable to assume the winning move is not to play, at least not until another major factor tilts the balance far more in your favour.
 
We don't know the actually quality of the Chinese army against a competent foe; they seem very good a shooting civilians, but last time they fought a war was Vietnam in '79, and they got BTFO'd there. Granted that was decades ago, but the recent skirmish in the Himalayas with India doesn't inspire much confidence there.
A bunch of border guards fighting =/= the Chinese military. It's like judging the US Army based on the times Mexico rounds up our guys and march them back across the border.

Keep in mind that the last peer opponent the US battled was...China back in the Korean War, and the Chicoms did a very good job on the US/NATO (even if they took terrible losses) despite having just won a 40 year civil war and being one of the poorest countries on Earth as a result. The US has never fought a country since the Korean War that wasn't a war-torn hellhole (Saddam Hussein's Iraq, North Vietnam, Afghanistan) or an insignificant shithole with barely any military like Panama or Grenada. In all US victories, overwhelming air power and naval power has been a key factor. This will not be the case in the Taiwan Straits because air superiority will be contested. Contesting air superiority means sending in a CVBG and that means risking the huge shock that losing one of America's supercarriers would be to Chinese missiles.
How much would the Taiwanese population tolerate in that circumstance? We heard a lot about the balance between those would are willing to acceed to China and those who want to be independent, but as we have observed in Ukraine, counting on the enemy to just immediately flip to you because you are similar to them is a risky plan. (And the Russians had more reason to expect it than the Chinese do, Crimea flipped in '14 without much effort, Taiwan and China have been apart far longer than that.
Polls show up to 11% of Taiwanese support reunification even under current conditions, although it assumes Taiwan would have the same Hong Kong-style system China just trampled. No doubt at least some of this number are active Chinese spies or other subversive agents, and this group skews older so are not going to be on the front lines. However, around 40-50% of the population is in favor of closer relations with China and working toward reunification, and once again, this group skews older.
 
They aren't border guards. India and China have an ongoing border dispute, with multiple skirmishes in the last few years. Both sides have multiple divisions permanently stationed there.
Back in reality land, it was literally just a scuffle between border guards. If you're trying to draw any deeper meaning from it, then you might as well presume that any day now Mexico is going to BTFO the US because they disarmed our soldiers once. Oh look, here's another one from the past few years where 4 Chinese died compared to 20 Indians.
 
Good thing nobody was using anything bigger than a rock. Got anything else to back your silly claim?
I really don't understand why you're so determined to deny that these were regulars from both country's militaries getting into stupid fights. It's a region where both countries have competing claims to territory and where both have large military units permanently stationed to prevent the other from invading. They don't have border guards there.
 
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