The Nazis in their own words combined with their own deeds. Hitler, Himmler, Goebbels, and other leading Nazis put out numerous statements regarding foreign policy, racial policy, etc. which advocates German supremacy as the chief exponents of the Aryan race (hence why the Nazis abducted Slavic children with Aryan features) and the need for Germany to gain lebensraum in Europe. It also includes the destruction of the Jewish people for being parasites and the subjugation of Slavs under the German thumb since to as Hitler said, "they are incapable of organizing their own states."
This ideology perfectly explains German conduct 1933-1945, while the progress of the war (namely failure to achieve naval dominance over Britain or quickly defeat the USSR) explains why extermination of the Jews was chosen over mass deportation. Generalplan Ost is the natural consequence (yes, it was just a proposal, but the actual plan was going to follow along those lines).
Right so this is just stuff you made up off your own head. No details, no books, no sources. You don't actually know anything, you just like to say stuff.
Hence why I brought up the Polish pro-Nazi faction you're desperate to claim were "Polish nationalists who deserved it" and the Chetniks too. And don't forget how Vlasov's army was constantly losing men to desertion and eventually turned on the Nazis. His fellow traitor Kaminski also lost many to desertion and was eventually shot not for the mass murder and rape his men committed, but for embezzling money for his anti-Soviet activities. Your argument is absolutely untenable, so I'm not surprised you refuse to address it.
You thought you could bring in something that happened to the OUN without source or historical backing that somehow proved a nazi intent to mass murder Slavs. You then simply ignored what I just told you about who was deporting Slavs.
Sure they do. That's why they are that deep. Probably helps prevent looting too.
Why are they empty? Whats wrong with a grave being mostly empty?
Because according to you, the Nazis were a hyper-efficient war machine that had no time to kill people. But somehow they did have time to dig a bunch of deep-ass graves because 133 Jews died. Holocaust denial has so many holes in its narrative that it's almost hilarious at times.
Of course, your logic is again faulty. A hyper efficient war machine would have time to do extra killing. So it's your job to argue that they were a hyper efficient war machine that would have all kinds of time and resources for extra killing rather than that they were not.
Anyway yes, looks like the graves likely go back to at least 1940.
See attached as to what Belzec was really about
Just the usual denialist playbook. Out of context witness statements, bringing up issues that aren't actually issues (no one denies there were multiple massacres on multiple days), deliberate falsehoods about science (the good ol' canard about how burning bodies en masse is somehow akin to a Hindu funeral crops up again). It's all so tiresome.
Massive cope. Numerous examples of bullshit are given and exposed as lies on simple technical grounds. Hindu burning exemplifies the issue of lack of trace and resource.
But of course peddlers just try and make excuses for the stories by pretending that funeral pyres are a radically different process without ever either explaining how they're different and offering found trace of said pyres in this area.
This article is instructive on the wider issue;
"Witness testimonies of the alleged Babi Yar massacre have been given full credence by historians even though these testimonies contradict each other and claim the most ridiculous impossibilities. Also, no one ever tried to secure any evidence in order to prove the murders. The Soviets after the end of the war turned the ravine of Babi Yar into a municipal garbage dump, and later into a garbage-incineration site. It is no less incomprehensible that the Soviets intended to build a sports facility over this site of the alleged mass murder of 33,771 Jews.[xxvi]
The air photo taken of the ravine of Babi Yar on September 26, 1943 shows a placid and peaceful valley. Neither the vegetation nor the topography has been disturbed by human activity. There are no burning sites, no smoke, no excavations, no fuel depots, and no access roads for the transport of humans or fuel. We can conclude with certainty from this photo that no part of Babi Yar was subjected to topographical changes of any magnitude right up to the Soviet reoccupation of the area. Hence, the mass graves and mass cremations attested to by witnesses at Babi Yar did not take place."
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The cans of Zyklon B were smashed open and the pellets poured in, so presumably they were already releasing vapors as they fell. Zyklon B is released very quickly at room temperature and not much is needed to kill.
Reproduction of a 1941 scientific paper by Peter and Rasch of DEGESCH describing how Zyklon-B is useful in killing insects even in winter temperatures.
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Paper by R. Irmscher, 1942, on Prussic acid evaporation from Zyklon.
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Although hosted by a Holocaust memorial group, both of these are Nazi-era studies regarding Zyklon-B in the context of fumigation. Note how quickly Zyklon-B is released, and then consider concentration camps used an order of magnitude more gas than was needed.
There is no evidence said window would have caused the gas chamber not to work since ZOMG, gas-tight windows exist.
1/ Why would nazis just smash open a can of zyklon b that is designed to be opened normally?
2/ Why would vapors come straight out of the can killing Jews on the way down when the gypsum the hcn is contained by was designed to aid slow steady release of pesticide for safety reasons?
3/ Or rather, in real gas execution, in a real gas chamber with hcn, for one person, hcn is dropped in two buckets of sulphur acid, which throws up a cloud of hcn gas immediately, death took about nine minutes. To kill hundreds in moments thus one requires a similar technique.
4/ Rudolf uses Irmscher in the study and explains the chemical reactions therein.
Instead of using authoritative and extensive works of scholarly research such as Pressac's work on the gas chambers you used an obscure author with no published work or responsive argument.
5/ Lastly, you admit gas tight windows are used and thus are for gassing clothes which are unable to smash glass as hundreds of desperate humans are. Again proving the gassing at Auschwitz to be fake. Congrats on another self own.
More explanation here at min 36.
The Death Panel provide their (excellent) rebuttal.
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Crack open an actual recent-ish book on the Holocaust or just go to one of like a dozen sites that have documentation of the Holocaust. You're the alleged researcher on the Holocaust after all.
Ok, since you obviously don't have a study to name, then name one of these books on the holocaust dealing with this issue we should all 'crack open'..
High rank officers would obviously visit the camp often given its importance. He could have said just a high ranking officer but he said Himmler. This is not the first time such bullshit claims about Himmler visiting have been made. It seems to be a likely selling point for the stories in the pro exterminationist community at the time.
And I said he might have been mistaken.
He was in fact mistaken about the whole thing.
Yeah it does make sense. Because good atrocity propaganda depends on lots of bullshit stories in order to hide the truth. This has been extensively examined. It totally makes sense and has recent historical precedent. You actually admit and agree that it does make sense.
What recent historical precedent? I can think of lies spread about Syria and Russia, but those are just a few incidents compared to the innumerable ones that make up the Holocaust. You'll note that the lies are few and vaguely plausible, like "oh noes, Russians be raping" or "muh Bucha massacre" or "muh chemical attack." If the Holocaust is fake, they wouldn't have made up hundreds of obscure massacres in obscure villages or made up THAT MANY death camps for the same reason Ukraine or the Syrian rebels keep their lies about Russia and Assad to within reasonable bounds.
Atrocity propaganda about Germany was a feature in British intervention for ww1.
They wouldn't have made up numerous massacres and death camps? Why ever not? We already know about attempts to turn other camps into death camps.
Why even refute vague nonsense? Is there a devastating argument or point here?
You ignore every argument I make that refutes your nonsense. There's nothing vague about it.
For instance, regarding the smaller height of Jews, here is a favorite Nazi anthropologist, Otmar von Verschuer, confirming in the late 30s the average male Jew in Central Europe was between 161-164 cm compared to Germans at 166-173 cm.
The Racial Biology of Jews (an anthropology essay) by Baron Otmar von Verschuer, M.D and translated by Charles E. Weber, Ph.D.
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I'm going to assume based on the shorter stature of Russians compared to Germans that Soviet Jews were at least as short, if not shorter. Point is, if your denialists aren't taking this scientific metric into account, their calculations are inherently bunk.
Ok then, show us this taking into account?
Revisionists explain how it does not work but you say that conveniently Jews from the east were small enough to gas as described, therefore you must show us your work.
In fact just explain how a gassing worked. For example how did they make sure to gas the infirm ?
Perhaps just quote the Van Pelt report, a derivative of Pressac's work. Whatever really, just show us something either a real argument, a picture, a chemical equation, a document that shows gassing at Auschwitz.
Right, so you believe in witches then.…
That's a pretty bold leap of logic from someone allegedly interested in history, who allegedly knows how it works, and is allegedly "just a revisionist." I notice that when you're blatantly exposed as being wrong you make these hilarious leaps of logic or just go "nuh-uh, Johnny Holocaustdenier says it's wrong in his book!"
Not a leap at all, you say it happened because people said it did, hundreds if not thousands of people took part in the idea of the reality of witches, therefore it's very likely they existed by your own metric.
Here's some more history for you. Do you also believe jesus rose from the dead? Or that the old church was correct about the order of planets?
The old maps look like they have issues with perspective/scale, while Kola's map is a professional site map as is typical in archaeology. There are graves on the eastern side of the camp as well BTW. In any case, it's not unusual for archaeology to contradict historical descriptions.
Nope the cremations are on the other side. That's not just having issues.
As for archeology on Belzec,
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