Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[Blewberry Nausea]

What the FUCK? I can't wrap my mind around those numbers.
So basically, at the current (Oryx claimed, lmao) rate, Russia would have to fight in Ukraine for 52 years to lose as many fixed-wing aircraft and 73 years to lose as many helicopters. And it is Russia who gets dunked on???? I'm sorry but losing almost 10,000 aircraft hardly qualifies as 'we got tired and left'.

This reminds me of an opening quote from the first Top Gun as to why they established it. Obviously they were talking about different numbers but the point was made all the same, US air superiority declined from Korea to Vietnam so bad and it scared the shit out of them. Now thankfully we will never have to know if the US actually got it it’s shit together because WW3 never happened but even if it did I don’t know what the hell is going on with it now.

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/45b675ed-5e0c-4367-9374-7fa25c0f6343

 

[Burgerasssand]

> seething
> coping
Yep, checks out.

Europe Is Heading For ‘Deep Recession’, Deindustrialization

The European Union and the UK are scrambling to rewind their radical energy policies to end its destructive energy crisis.

www.forbes.com

Europe Is Heading For ‘Deep Recession’, Deindustrialization

archived 7 Feb 2023 23:54:19 UTC

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Europe’s descent into deindustrialisation

The rapid economic collapse that Britain is facing is simply an accelerated version of what the whole of Europe is about to go through; unsustainable borrowing to fund the gap between high energy prices and what households can actually afford. With the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipeline, there...

www.spectator.co.uk

Europe’s descent into deindustrialisation | The Spectator

archived 7 Nov 2022 01:49:29 UTC

archive.ph

Come on, tell me more how Europe isn't in danger of deindustrialization. There's a way out, though. Bend the knee to Putin and you can have your industry back.

There has been too much violence. Too much pain. None here are without sin. But I have an honorable compromise. Just walk away. Just walk away and there will be an end to the horror.


I'm sure they can run their industry just as well as before on sunshine and farts, right?

why the fuck is europe deindustrializing, just click build military factory fucking eurofags smh

 

[Meh123]

I don't think those were exactly suspicions. Both Biden and Nuland were on record ages ago, saying that "If Russia invades, Nordstream will not go forward one way or the other"

The biggest surprise from the article isn't that the Burgers blew up the pipelines, everyone knew they blew up the pipelines. No the shocker is that the Burgers were planning for and had a team in place BEFORE the Russians invaded Ukraine. We can only conclude that they were going to do this whatever.

This is an act of war by the US and Norway against Russia and Germany. I wonder who leaked it and why now?

So all those Americans died in Iraq just so you could pay... *checks notes* $3.445 per gallon at the pump? Great job there, oil bandits. Totally worth it!

I don't hear ukrosimps - champions of national sovereignty and self-determination - making the same simplistic arguments against the USA in these cases. I guess acts of war is only a problem when the evil ruzzians do it. Or chinese.. or mooslimes.

I have some questions for the pro-Russian/DNR/LPR people. Not to debate or argue the questions but just because I am curious as to individuals opinions in the greater sphere of pro-Russian members. If possible just answer whether you agree with the statement in general or not.

1: The population of a portion of a nation should have/does have the right to hold a vote on secession and formation of a new independent nation.
2: If the majority of the vote on secession is in the affirmative the new independent nation should be allowed to be formed.
3: If the new nation faces resistance to it's formation from the national government, whether through overt force, subversion, or threat of force it has the right and duty to uphold the result of the vote and obtain/defend it's independence with force if necessary.
4: If the government of a nation attempts to stop a vote on secession or the formation of a new independent nation after a vote in the affirmative then that government could accurately be described as an enemy of the seceding nation/people.

Shit quality bait. You want "YES"-es, then grub out some case when russia did the same with one of it's territories.

While not being "pro-russian/DNR/LPR", let me break up your point #1 a bit, because obviously reality doesn't fit in your simplistic bait yes/no question:
Highly depends how said minority is treated. The UA regime was not only supressing minorities (language law, etc), they were actively hostile against DNR/LPR, shelling and killing their civilian population, while also being told "if you don't like it, leave". So yes, in this case DNR/LPR was asked to leave, and they left indeed. Zellyboi's only problem was that they took their homeland with them.

why the fuck is europe deindustrializing, just click build military factory fucking eurofags smh

energy stall, need more pgens, and all reclaim is on the russian side..

 

[GatorAids]

I don't hear ukrosimps - champions of national sovereignty and self-determination - making the same simplistic arguments against the USA in these cases. I guess acts of war is only a problem when the evil ruzzians do it. Or chinese.. or mooslimes.



Shit quality bait. You want "YES"-es, then grub out some case when russia did the same with one of it's territories.

While not being "pro-russian/DNR/LPR", let me break up your point #1 a bit, because obviously reality doesn't fit in your simplistic bait yes/no question:
Highly depends how said minority is treated. The UA regime was not only supressing minorities (language law, etc), they were actively hostile against DNR/LPR, shelling and killing their civilian population, while also being told "if you don't like it, leave". So yes, in this case DNR/LPR was asked to leave, and they left indeed. Zellyboi's only problem was that they took their homeland with them.



energy stall, need more pgens, and all reclaim is on the russian side..

I literally am not even planning on responding to answers. I just want to know people's opinions. Take your meds. I don't care about the specific scenario, I care about whether you agree or not with the general principle of the statements.

 

[Die Dunkle Maus]

Didnt the US enter that war with a severely diminshed military budget? To recover after WW2

USA USA USA

Yes! There are always REASONS for the USA losing. If the USA doesn't reach all or even most mission objectives, it has lost the "war" (according to its own standards and reasons as stated at the onset).

Sure, USA COULD have beaten Korea with a larger military budget... but it didn't. Yes, it was oceans away! It's not like that surprised us, we still lost. I would bet that if we tried it again, we'd lose again (Korea). It's easy money.

I have some questions for the pro-Russian/DNR/LPR people. Not to debate or argue the questions but just because I am curious as to individuals opinions in the greater sphere of pro-Russian members. If possible just answer whether you agree with the statement in general or not.

1: The population of a portion of a nation should have/does have the right to hold a vote on secession and formation of a new independent nation.
2: If the majority of the vote on secession is in the affirmative the new independent nation should be allowed to be formed.
3: If the new nation faces resistance to it's formation from the national government, whether through overt force, subversion, or threat of force it has the right and duty to uphold the result of the vote and obtain/defend it's independence with force if necessary.
4: If the government of a nation attempts to stop a vote on secession or the formation of a new independent nation after a vote in the affirmative then that government could accurately be described as an enemy of the seceding nation/people.

1. I would agree, but then, we would have to let the south secede. They want to.
2. How do you monitor this? We can't even handle an election for congress without a clown show. Could you imagine? I DARE you to try it.
3. See, here you go again... who is going to use force? Who's in charge of this use of force? (pro-tip: those are the ones you can't vote to secede from, usually).
4. So, every government ever.

 

[GatorAids]

Yes! There are always REASONS for the USA losing. If the USA doesn't reach all or even most mission objectives, it has lost the "war" (according to its own standards and reasons as stated at the onset).

Sure, USA COULD have beaten Korea with a larger military budget... but it didn't. Yes, it was oceans away! It's not like that surprised us, we still lost. I would bet that if we tried it again, we'd lose again (Korea). It's easy money.



1. I would agree, but then, we would have to let the south secede. They want to.
2. How do you monitor this? We can't even handle an election for congress without a clown show. Could you imagine? I DARE you to try it.
3. See, here you go again... who is going to use force? Who's in charge of this use of force? (pro-tip: those are the ones you can't vote to secede from, usually).
4. So, every government ever.

To clarify the statements. I'm not asking if you believe that to be reality. Same as asking if you believe all men should be equal under the law. Obviously not all men are treated equally under the law in reality, just if you believe that should be the case. I am asking if you agree or disagree with the general principle of the statements.

 

[Die Dunkle Maus]

To clarify the statements. I'm not asking if you believe that to be reality. Same as asking if you believe all men should be equal under the law. Obviously not all men are treated equally under the law in reality, just if you believe that should be the case. I am asking if you agree or disagree with the general principle of the statements.

I get what you mean, it would be nice to have some above-the-board superpower who does things by the book be in charge, like the Federation. I mean, in a perfect world, we should be able to form whatever nations we feel like? But that's just not how it works. The nation who owns/ed it has sunk millions into infrastructure, military, etc., and doesn't want to lose that investment, as doing so proves they are not powerful enough to hold the nation together. Do you see? Allowing this very act in and of itself de-legitimizes (is that a word, I am wrecked) the nation; so of course they will fight to the death to prevent it. It IS life and death to them. They're really into that shit.

 

[GatorAids]

I get what you mean, it would be nice to have some above-the-board superpower who does things by the book be in charge, like the Federation. I mean, in a perfect world, we should be able to form whatever nations we feel like? But that's just not how it works. The nation who owns/ed it has sunk millions into infrastructure, military, etc., and doesn't want to lose that investment, as doing so proves they are not powerful enough to hold the nation together. Do you see? Allowing this very act in and of itself de-legitimizes (is that a word, I am wrecked) the nation; so of course they will fight to the death to prevent it. It IS life and death to them. They're really into that shit.

Thank you for actually answering instead of deflecting like a sperg.

 

[870EVO]

https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1623480145792335873

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Holholsisters, oh no! Seems like you picked a couple high IQ holhols by mistake that noped out of this clusterfuck the first chance they got.

Source (original is FT but as its paywalled so can't confirm)

Langleysisters, oh no! "Aid worker". In Bakhmut. More like AIDS spreader. Think we forgot how you lobbied, and succeeded in repealing Smith-Mundt? Nah, we haven't.

Source

Ukiesister oh no! You were supposed to go to Brooklyn NY, not Brooklyn MN!

Source

I could start a "Ukrainesisters posting their Ls" Twitter and never run out of material to post.

I saved the biggest L of all for last:

Monument to the liberator of Kiev, General Nikolai Fyodorovich Vatutin, will be dismantled in Mariyinsky Park, Kiev. Of course it will. Reminds me of their ideological brethren in the US, Antifa and their destruction of our monuments. Not to worry, Kiev will be liberated, again.
Source

 

[White_N]

"We see the war in Ukraine above all as an existential threat to Poland and all of Europe. If Russia wins it, all geopolitical analyses can be thrown out. Poland has not chosen where it is on the map, but it fully understands the responsibility that this position entails. Defeating Russia is both a Polish and a European raison d'état."

Polish PM Morawiecki​

https://www.corriere.it/esteri/23_f...to-d17ea0e8-a7e4-11ed-b9c4-8c4ac5be6a91.shtml

Alcuni analisti sostengono che la Polonia voglia approfittare della crisi ucraina, per spostare il centro di gravità dell’Europa verso Est e forgiare un nuovo equilibrio geopolitico, con Varsavia alla guida, che prenda il posto della tradizionale leadership franco-tedesca dell’Unione Europea. È così?
«Consideriamo la guerra in Ucraina soprattutto una minaccia esistenziale per la Polonia e per tutta l’Europa. Se la Russia la vince, tutte le analisi geopolitiche possono essere gettate via. La Polonia non ha scelto il luogo in cui si trova sulla carta geografica, ma comprende perfettamente la responsabilità che questa posizione comporta. Sconfiggere la Russia è una ragion di Stato sia polacca che europea».

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[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

Ukraine at war, Poles most affected

 

[White_N]

"Wings of freedom"... I have no witty response. I'm so done with these "people."

https://downmagaz.net/newspapers/345326-daily-mirror-9022023.html

https://downmagaz.net/newspapers/345395-the-i-newspaper-9022023.html

https://downmagaz.net/newspapers/345372-the-times-9022023.html

https://downmagaz.net/newspapers/345380-the-daily-telegraph-9022023.html

https://downmagaz.net/newspapers/345382-daily-mail-902-2023.html

 

[Kane Lives]

"Wings of freedom"... I have no witty response. I'm so done with these "people."

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I mean it is the British press.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

"Wings of freedom"... I have no witty response. I'm so done with these "people."

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Then give him your firstborn child. He needs it for freedom.

 

[PrimeRadiant]

Throw in hundreds of British men who died in that third-world shithole (as well as Afghanistan), all of those dead for fucking nothing, there's a reason why Tony Blair is vilified as a war criminal in some circles and really, this is in my eyes the definitive proof that the 'special relationship' really isn't in our interests.

Tomy Blair, more than anyone else, destroyed the UK and turned it into Airstrip One.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Holy shit, the dishonest misdirection is on another level.
>Incident happened almost 9 years ago with no conclusive evidence or even a clue as to why it disappeared.
>MH17's black box was never recovered and its recording expired a long time ago.
>Surprise! It's Putler all along!
I guess next they'll tell me it was Putler who psychically manipulated MH17's pilots from Moscow to divert flight away from HCM airspace to do a dive in Indian Ocean for shit and giggles.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/dutch-...was-shot-down-by-russian-made-missile.134577/

I guess Putin was right. Ukraine was always Russia all along.



"Germany's doing great, trust us. It's inflation is only over 9%"

German inflation hits five-month low of 9.2% | Financial Times

archived 9 Feb 2023 09:50:14 UTC

archive.md

Ammunition supply chain crisis: Ukraine war tests Europe in race to rearm​

Manufacturers struggle to replenish national weapons stockpiles and meet demand from Kyiv

Ukraine’s battle against Russia is consuming ammunition at unprecedented rates, with the country firing more than 5,000 artillery rounds every day — equal to a smaller European country’s orders in an entire year in peacetime.

Almost a year since Russia’s invasion, the pace of demand for ammunition and explosives is turning into a test of Europe’s industrial production capacity in a race to rearm.

The pressure on producers has not been helped by lingering supply chain bottlenecks following the coronavirus pandemic, a lack of production capacity and a shortage of critical raw materials for some explosives, which is holding back efforts to increase output.

Some components are in such high demand, Brandtzæg said, that their delivery time had increased from months to years.

Very interesting look at Ukraine's potential supplies.

Tankers in Iran’s “ghost fleet” have switched to carrying Russian oil since western curbs on Moscow intensified in December, as the Kremlin turned to sanctions-busting techniques pioneered by Tehran.

At least 16 vessels that formed part of the “ghost” network that allowed Iran to breach US sanctions have begun to ship Russian crude oil over the past two months, according to Financial Times research.

“The premium for Russian trade is at least 50 per cent above the normal market rates and could be even more than 100 per cent in some instances, making the economics even more attractive than shipping Iranian oil.”

But, I thought no one wanted Russian oil...?

Kyiv’s allies have repeatedly crossed their red lines on weapons deliveries. But nearly a year into the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, concerns in the US and Europe about Russian escalation have not changed substantially and still hang over the next decisions, including whether to send fighter jets.

The US and its partners have committed many of the systems once considered off limits, most recently tanks as well as Himar guided missiles and Patriot missile defence units, among other systems.

The constant crossing of self-imposed boundaries reflects Ukraine’s changing battlefield requirements rather than a shift in allies’ assessments of the escalatory threat, according to western officials and analysts.

"No, we aren't seeing Russia as more of a threat, but since it's becoming more of a threat to Ukraine, we give more advanced guns"

So...they see Russia as more of a threat than before? Gotcha.

"Wings of freedom"... I have no witty response. I'm so done with these "people."

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EU leaders cautious about Zelenskyy’s ‘wings for freedom’ plea
Ukraine’s Nato allies must avoid direct confrontation with Russia, Dutch prime minister Mark Rutte warns

EU leaders meeting Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy at a summit in Brussels struck a cautious note on the prospect of sending the western fighter jets Kyiv says it needs to defend itself against Russian aggression.

Polish prime minister Mateusz Morawiecki stressed that his country could only act “as part of a Nato formation”. He added: “If such a decision is made, we will not be the first to transfer fighters, but we will certainly respond positively to it, provided that those who have the most of these fighters . . . transfer them to Ukraine.”

SpaceX has taken steps to prevent Ukraine's military from using the company's Starlink satellite internet service for controlling drones in the region during the country's war with Russia, SpaceX's president said Wednesday.

SpaceX's Starlink satellite internet service, which has provided Ukraine's military with broadband communications in its defense against Russia's military, was "never never meant to be weaponized," Gwynne Shotwell, SpaceX's president and chief operating officer, said during a conference in Washington, D.C.

"However, Ukrainians have leveraged it in ways that were unintentional and not part of any agreement," she said.

Link to all:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/invasion-of-ukraine-news-megathread.113457/post-14758764

 

[White_N]

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I guess Putin was right. Ukraine was always Russia all along.

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"Germany's doing great, trust us. It's inflation is only over 9%"

German inflation hits five-month low of 9.2% | Financial Times

archived 9 Feb 2023 09:50:14 UTC

archive.md

Very interesting look at Ukraine's potential supplies.



But, I thought no one wanted Russian oil...?



"No, we aren't seeing Russia as more of a threat, but since it's becoming more of a threat to Ukraine, we give more advanced guns"

So...they see Russia as more of a threat than before? Gotcha.





Link to all:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/invasion-of-ukraine-news-megathread.113457/post-14758764

I decided to look at the average inflation rate in Germany to see if maybe it wasn't so bad compared to other years - 2!

2% inflation is the fucking average! No shit they use such cope wording like five-month low, nigga, that's the highest it was in decades.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/DEU/germany/inflation-rate-cpi
https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/inflation-cpi

 

[Rubick]

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Well, there is apparently footage of Ukrainians proud pile of UAV-delivered chemical weapons...

ЗеРада

⚡️Кажется, он работает на РФ‼️ Применение химического оружия невозможно скрыть. Вещества остаются в тканях надолго. Любая экспертиза это подтвердит. Если они применят это, имиджевые последствия для Украины будут значительными ☝🏻

t.me

On a side note. IMF is now predicting growth in Russian economy for 2023 and 2024.

Inflation Peaking amid Low Growth

The World Economic Outlook Update will be released in Singapore at 9:30 am on January 31, 2023 (January 30 at 8:30 pm Washington D.C. time)

www.imf.org

Now usually IMF is notoriously bad at estimating and predicting anything outside of western economy and that also goes for Russia's economy. Which usually IMF predicted numbers are worse than the actual reality...

 

[YumeNoHero]

I decided to look at the average inflation rate in Germany to see if maybe it wasn't so bad compared to other years - 2!

2% inflation is the fucking average! No shit they use such cope wording like five-month low, nigga, that's the highest it was in decades.
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https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/inflation-cpi

There's nothing more potent than G*rm*n Copium. It's so potent that when you get charged almost 5 times more on energy bill under its effect, you'd still offer your ass up to the energy overlords and take it like an obedient slave.