Secret 28 Pages of 9/11 Report Under New Scrutiny - Saudi Arabia is the worst country in the world, more news at 11

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pressure-builds-on-obama-administration-to-declassify-911-report/

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/16/w...allout-if-congress-passes-9-11-bill.html?_r=0

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/secret-28-pages-9-11-report-under-new-scrutiny-n556831

Alright, so basically, there is a renewed push to declassify 28 pages of the 838-page congressional report on the worst terror attack on American soil. It is widely speculated that these pages point the blame towards Saudi Arabia. The links provided go into more detail, but it's worth noting that, of the 19 men behind the attacks, 15 were citizens of Saudi Arabia. Not to mention Osama Bin Laden himself. Saudi Arabia has pushed back, threatening to sell off hundreds of billions of dollars’ worth of American assets if Congress passes a bill that would allow the Saudi government to be held responsible for any role in the attacks.

They are so fucking guilty. Even if they don't hold a direct role, Saudi Arabia has been exporting Islamic extremism in the form of Wahhabism for decades.
 
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autisticdragonkin said:
The youngest two surviving children of Ibn Saud
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Elah_bin_Abdulaziz_Al_Saud (77)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muqrin_bin_Abdulaziz (70)
look like good picks considering that all the successive kings have been his children
Abdul Elah bin Abdulaziz Al Saud is seen as highly incompetent and loses credibility for having been impeached from government roles twice
Muqrin bin Abdulaziz has experience in government but he loses credibility due to his mother not being high status. But with him being one of the only surviving children of the first king it seems more likely that he will become the king. But with him being the youngest child of Ibn Saud and only having 30 more years max succession after him remains unclear
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...project-to-get-saudi-arabia-s-economy-off-oil
There is a new prince who is trying to reform saudi arabia right now and has accumulated a large amount of power
 
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Ruin said:
Of course they are. Fuck the victims of terrorism. Obama's legacy is what's important here.

This is sarcasm for the folks who have trouble with it.
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The White House claims that the bill (which doesn't specifically target Saudi Arabia, but rather any country whose governments can be connected to terrorist attacks) could endanger the United States' allies and maybe even the U.S. itself, which is why they're opposing it.

In reality, I think they're just terrified of standing up to Saudi Arabia. Earlier in this thread I mentioned that Saudi Arabia literally threatened the United States with economic ruin if the bill is passed into law (TOTALLY the actions of an innocent party, you guys). The US government has never had the balls to tell Saudi Arabia how much it sucks, why should now be any different?
 
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Cosmos said:
The White House claims that the bill (which doesn't specifically target Saudi Arabia, but rather any country whose governments can be connected to terrorist attacks) could endanger the United States' allies and maybe even the U.S. itself, which is why they're opposing it.

In reality, I think they're just terrified of standing up to Saudi Arabia. Earlier in this thread I mentioned that Saudi Arabia literally threatened the United States with economic ruin if the bill is passed into law (TOTALLY the actions of an innocent party, you guys). The US government has never had the balls to tell Saudi Arabia how much it sucks, why should now be any different?
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Let the happening happen.
Oil is fucking worthless right now.
We can destroy them. Now is our chance.
 
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Dudeofteenage said:
But just to reiterate, the participation of individual Saudis, even in large numbers, is the least significant indicator of Saudi government involvement.
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I'm surprised I'm the first guy to bring this up here, but Osama Bin Laden's Daddy was the Founding Father's Best Friend and the wealthiest non-Royal Family member in the country at the time of his death.

Today, they get billion-dollar construction contracts for building the Planet's tallest towers. They didn't even have to change their name after their founder's son murdered 3,000 civilians by crashing passenger jets into towers.

Fucking of course their Nürnberg-dodging asses did something that would get most of humanity Joseph-Paul-Franklin'd.

Dudeofteenage said:
That with Iran in the 80s, no less.

But going by the comments here, I think a lot of people would like to see the USA treat Saudi Arabia on par with Iran.
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At least.

Obama's shift to Iran was assuredly done with this in mind. Which'll alsa lead'ta the shift's failure, since the Persian Mullah's and other thugs know we won't do shit to change their ways no matter how many virgins they rape before execution.

We sure as shit didn't do'itt for our previous Personal Heroes &/or Most Holy Best Friends.

Splendid Meat Sticks said:
Yeah, I foresee a power struggle over succession too. Are there any favorites for who will be considered the 'most legitimate' successor or who's likely to win?
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Easy.

A sunnuva shepherd with a black stash, a mao-jacket, and an elder son who passes the time by murdering all living things small enough to be buried in haffan hour.

That last one might manage to make life nicer for most women, and the rèstùvumm . . . it'll at least spare them a long life as a gender-prisoner.
 
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Captain_Asshole said:
Putin said that he is looking forward to defeating terrorism in cooperation with the USA in a recent speech. Could this mean that there is an upcoming joint invasion by both countries or is this way too far fetched?
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That doesn't strike me as likely. Unless something very extreme happens (say, another event on the scale of 9/11) it is doubtful a joint invasion is going to be suddenly declared without any kind of prior warnings, sanctions, or summits. There are generally all these boring procedures and international clearances, etc, you have to go through these days to actually get anything invaded for any reason. Even the best of reasons. You might recall that some of the anger over the Bush Administration later on was due to an alleged lack of due appreciation for those procedures. In any case, it took the deaths of thousands of people- a literal attack- for the United States to respond so swiftly and harshly and begin the Iraq War.

Personally, I would not want military action, nor I am especially morally outraged by Saudi Arabia. Their government, culture, and religion are extremely flawed, certainly, but when will this roundabout shit with the Middle East end? True, thousands of Americans and others died in the September 11th attacks/"massacre", but are we really going to go all apeshit over it now? It seems like excessive nationalism to me, Alsace-Lorraine type shit all over again, and Saudi Arabia will collapse all on its own if the West just begins doing what it should have done ages ago.

Which is my recommendation. The United States is fine vetoing that legislation, and is in a sense, even ethically correct to do so. The best way to deal with the Arabians is to work on removing the west's dependence on their oil and political clout in the West Asia. Many less of our peoples will die than if we actually try to fight this one out (the courts will only serve to escalate tension and inevitably go down that road) and just as many of their people will die as would have if we stepped in, when the whole thing goes up in bloody, revolutionary, flames.

tl;dr: let it go the Arabians are fucked, bombing them for sake of vengeance is petty and evil, and won't allow us to selfishly take the moral high road later on. We can all have a laugh when we get to say "I told you so" and if for some reason there still is a war later on, we can still say we tried to avoid it.
 
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DirkBloodStormKing said:
Well Saudi Arabia is fucking cancer, yes?
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Now that's just unfair.

Doctors use chemo and surgery on cancer. Our government's been using oxy and a wig, are now saying that's goong too far, and are swapping our treatment with baby asprin and a used do-rag.
 
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Can't you guys use your own oil or import from better places like brazil, Norway,uk, Venezuela,Russia?
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Super late here, but much of our oil comes from South America and Canada, with a bit of Africa mixed in. Saudi Arabia is a major source though. What happens though is that oil prices aren't actually controlled by supply and demand, but perceived supply and demand (mostly supply) by investors. If they think that oil is running out, they bid higher as they believe prices are going to go up. The inverse is true, if they think there's a bunch of oil they'll treat it like it's worthless. Everyone thought oil was almost out then suddenly Saudi Arabia wants to get in a price war against the US and Russia to kill shale oil producers (and they did here in the US, but the oil rats can find new jobs, unlike Saudis) and prices hit a floor not seen in almost a decade.
Still, don't get me wrong I do not think highly of Saudi Arabia, but I really don't see holding them liable to be of much benefit. I think everyone overrates their ability to hit the US economy when the US is actually quite self-sufficient, but hitting them harder than they're taking already in the form of the gas prices is only going to affect geopolitical stability badly. ISIS doesn't need more help recruiting new members.
 
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Still, don't get me wrong I do not think highly of Saudi Arabia, but I really don't see holding them liable to be of much benefit. I think everyone overrates their ability to hit the US economy when the US is actually quite self-sufficient, but hitting them harder than they're taking already in the form of the gas prices is only going to affect geopolitical stability badly. ISIS doesn't need more help recruiting new members.
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Implying that this isn't already exactly what those camelfuckers are doing right now.
 
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Cosmos said:
The long-classified pages detailing alleged ties of the Saudi Arabian government to the 9/11 hijackers will be released by Congress as early as Friday, sources told CNN Thursday.

There's a chance that the 28 pages may be released by Congress today. I'm not going to hold my breath but it could happen.
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The sad part is that absolutely nothing will happen as a result of these documents being released. It will be shoved into the background of BLM protests and the aftermath of the attack in Nice by the media.
 
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Cosmos said:
THE REPORT HAS BEEN RELEASED.
I haven't read any of this yet so I can't offer any opinions, but from what I understand the report only accuses a handful of individual government agents of having ties to the 911 hijackers.
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Page fucking 6.
"Some of the September 11 hijackers...individuals who may be connected with the Saudi government."
 
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