Microsoft is fucking butthurt no one wants Windows 11 so they're stopping the sale of Windows 10 licenses this month

Has anyone tried Tiny10? A few years ago there was some stripped down win10 version I tried that wouldn't let you run anything as an admin so I wiped it after 5 minutes.
I'm always really hesitant about those Windows installations that have been messed with - not only do you never know exactly what's been done to them, but a lot of Windows services are designed to operate as a package deal and don't fail gracefully when other parts of the OS they depend on aren't there. Things start failing in new and exciting ways.

Windows is annoying enough without adding another layer of fuckery to the mix.
 
I'm always really hesitant about those Windows installations that have been messed with - not only do you never know exactly what's been done to them, but a lot of Windows services are designed to operate as a package deal and don't fail gracefully when other parts of the OS they depend on aren't there. Things start failing in new and exciting ways.

Windows is annoying enough without adding another layer of fuckery to the mix.
True, but I still like playing around. I'm old enough to have done the same by manually deleting win95 dll files.
 
"This stat which I didn't refute in anyway shows that Linux is 10% of the market. But it just doesn't count. Because it just doesn't OK"
You could also argue that the Android tablet market is strong and well, thanks to the Amazon Fire line, but nobody would seriously say that unless they're desperate to downplay just what a juggernaut the iPad is. The Amazon Fire, just like the Chromebook, are low-cost computers designed around Amazon and Google's services, respectively. And, if you really consider Chromebooks a proper Linux experience, you're right back to square one when it comes to privacy concerns, as it's now Google that's spying on you.
 
I haven't read the last 10 or so pages but sounds like this 21 year old post made to troll 14 year olds on Slashdot is still relevant.
"The Linux Fault Threshold is the point in any conversation about Linux at which your interlocutor stops talking about how your problem might be solved under Linux and starts talking about how it isn't Linux's fault that your problem cannot be solved under Linux."

Testify, brother. Twenty years and nothing has changed.
 
The distilled autism of this thread has encouraged me to get a $30 Chromebook and put either Manjaro or Mint on it
Put Xubuntu on it. You'll simultaneously piss off Windowsfags and Linuxfags, as the more militant members of the latter group don't consider Ubuntu or any of its forks to be "real" Linux.

That, and Chromebooks tend to have pissweak hardware, so anything other than a lightweight Linux distro is a waste of time (figuratively and literally).
 
Put Xubuntu on it. You'll simultaneously piss off Windowsfags and Linuxfags; the more militant members of the latter group don't consider Ubuntu or any of its forks to be "real" Linux. That, and Chromebooks are kinda pissweak, so anything other than a lightweight Linux distro is going to put you off Linux for a long time afterwards.
I've used Linux before, and I know Chromebooks are weak. This is just going to be for web surfing really. I'm thinking Manjaro and kde plasma desktop.
 
Put Xubuntu on it. You'll simultaneously piss off Windowsfags and Linuxfags, as the more militant members of the latter group don't consider Ubuntu or any of its forks to be "real" Linux.

That, and Chromebooks tend to have pissweak hardware, so anything other than a lightweight Linux distro is a waste of time (figuratively and literally).
You can do Xubuntu with Chicago95 and pretend it's Windows.
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Put Xubuntu on it. You'll simultaneously piss off Windowsfags and Linuxfags, as the more militant members of the latter group don't consider Ubuntu or any of its forks to be "real" Linux.

That, and Chromebooks tend to have pissweak hardware, so anything other than a lightweight Linux distro is a waste of time (figuratively and literally).
You can do Xubuntu with Chicago95 and pretend it's Windows.
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This is awesome! The next time I drop a Linux install on a laptop aging out of modern Windows performance demands I'll have to set it up with this UI theme.
 
The popular Windows user-friendly distros don't try to emulate Windows, they try to provide a familiar interface and design that makes it easier for someone only familiar with Windows to make the switch.

This is why it is weird that Microsoft seems to be trying very hard ever since Windows 8 to get away from what has worked for them for decades. I mentioned it previously but I know an old lady that complained about Windows 11 and decided to just use an old Windows 7 computer that she's had for years because she can't figure 11 out. Microsoft is alienating people like her who have used Windows since Windows was a thing.
I'd say that we're just talking over semantics there. Windows-esque/Windows-like/Emulating Windows/Great Value vs. Brand™️, etc. To me it's all the same. And I agree with the puzzlement over trying to move away from what worked sonwell for so long. Thats why Win8.1 came out so soon after the holy clusterfuck known as Win8. It was a bridge too far, and not suitable for the still dominant PC market for the time.

I think the gist is that Linux distros want what Microsoft has and Microsoft wants what Apple has.
I 100% agree, NOT BEN AFFLECK.
Officially it's security:

But there have been rumors that pressure was put on Microsoft to cut off support for old PCs to spur hardware sales for the lagging Laptop and Desktop markets. PC sales have dropped by a good third over the last decade thanks a combination of a migration to mobile phone and the fact that there has been a lack of any kind of technological paradigm shift that would require most users to upgrade their PCs for some time. A decent laptop from 2012 running Windows 10 is still perfectly functional and usable for most applications today. Windows 11 kind of puts a stop to that.

Consider this, Microsoft had been offering a 32-bit version of Windows 10 until relatively recently. That's how far back Windows 10 hardware support went.
It's always "security" being pushed as the main reason to upgrade, and I think I might have said something similar earlier in this thread, but MS has always acted as if you don't immediately "upgrade" to the latest and greatest OS, or download the newest update, l337 h4x0r5! straight from 2600.com are gonna hack your computer, burn down your house, and drain your grandma's pension account empty. 🙄 But I agree that the defining motivation is more than likely to spur more hardware sales. As you pointed out, there is a somewhat of a technological stagnation in the PC industry, at least in the home consumer market. Simply put, most people simply have no need for bleeding edge top of the line technology, and when it comes to CPUs, I feel that unless there is a major technological breakthrough soon, we are close to reaching the physical limitations of processor efficiency and design. The common PC architectures and backwards compatibility for the most part doesn't "help" as far as future sales either, so planned obsolescence isn't really a factor as much as it used to be. And you really can't pull an Apple and do a forced across the board update that conveniently bricks older devices, although they certainly are trying to. As I've said before my gacked out ~2011 era laptop will run circles around most modern out of the box laptops with "faster" and "more efficient" components. They might have more RAM, a threadripper CPU, super crisp and clear AMOLED screen, and the latest and greatest SSD setup, but they also have a bloated OS, too many background processes running, and other hungry hungry hippos chomping away at the overall efficiency.
 
My dad had to reinstall Windows 11 TWICE this week and still it is bugging out with the proprietary software stuff he needs to use (which was all likely made to work on 7 at earliest and 10 for most of it). He spent hours with Dell support on his office and had to let it update and re-download and shit. TWICE THIS WEEK. And it still hasn't worked.

This is fucking elder abuse Microsoft is fucking hurting my dad I am honestly considering either installing one of those "Superlite" Windows 11 distributions or asking him for all the software shit he uses and seeing if I can setup his shit and OneDrive on a Mint install or something. Fucking Silicon Valley faggots fixing shit that isn't broken to sell solutions to problems no one has.
 
I'd say that we're just talking over semantics there. Windows-esque/Windows-like/Emulating Windows/Great Value vs. Brand™️, etc. To me it's all the same. And I agree with the puzzlement over trying to move away from what worked sonwell for so long. Thats why Win8.1 came out so soon after the holy clusterfuck known as Win8. It was a bridge too far, and not suitable for the still dominant PC market for the time.


I 100% agree, NOT BEN AFFLECK.

It's always "security" being pushed as the main reason to upgrade, and I think I might have said something similar earlier in this thread, but MS has always acted as if you don't immediately "upgrade" to the latest and greatest OS, or download the newest update, l337 h4x0r5! straight from 2600.com are gonna hack your computer, burn down your house, and drain your grandma's pension account empty. 🙄
But I agree that the defining motivation is more than likely to spur more hardware sales.

The main hardware driving growth at Microsoft is all in Azure data centers. The people who buy new computers just to get OS updates is a small margin that doesn't matter, certainly not enough to drive corporate strategy. Moreover, revenue growth continues to be healthy. Doing gay little tricks to try and scrap another fraction of a percent of revenue out of a tiny fraction of the market is what flailing companies with falling revenues do. When Win 11 becomes the only supported OS in 2025, at that point, Win 11 will be supported on CPUs that are up to 8 years old. That is plenty old. People with system older than that who are still trying to run brand-new software are marginal. There are plenty of gay & retarded motivators for Win 11, like trying to shit more ads at people or once again trick them into using Bing, but "we're dying because people aren't buying new PCs" isn't one of them.

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The driving motivation is almost certainly little more than the fact that the more people they can shift from Win 10 to Win 11 before the drop-dead date of Oct 2024, the less pain they're going to have to deal with from low-info goobers who don't understand why, in 2025, they're not able to install and run the newest version of Photoshop, Office, or Goat Simulator on your 11-year-old PC.
 
MS has always acted as if you don't immediately "upgrade" to the latest and greatest OS, or download the newest update, l337 h4x0r5! straight from 2600.com are gonna hack your computer, burn down your house, and drain your grandma's pension account empty.
Microsoft and Reddit soy IT types. I have an old computer running Windows 7 that I use as a file server and a torrent box and if you tell them that, they'll act like you just raped a baby.

It's been years and no 1337 h4x yet.
 
Microsoft and Reddit soy IT types. I have an old computer running Windows 7 that I use as a file server and a torrent box and if you tell them that, they'll act like you just raped a baby.

It's been years and no 1337 h4x yet.
On the flip side of that, I know a few people in the retrocomputing scene who go to retardedly absurd lengths to "secure" their home network just so they can play around with Windows 95. I'm talking like, firewalls, VLAN segmentation, MAC filtering, hell, even physical airgapped isolation. Like, why go through all that trouble when you're not going to play with your old 386 for more than half an hour, and nobody even remembers what WinNuke is?
 
you really can't pull an Apple and do a forced across the board update that conveniently bricks older devices, although they certainly are trying to
laughs in OpenCore
This is fucking elder abuse Microsoft is fucking hurting my dad I am honestly considering either installing one of those "Superlite" Windows 11 distributions or asking him for all the software shit he uses and seeing if I can setup his shit and OneDrive on a Mint install or something.
Install Windows 10 LTSC. That'll see your Dad out for the rest of the decade.
On the flip side of that, I know a few people in the retrocomputing scene who go to retardedly absurd lengths to "secure" their home network just so they can play around with Windows 95. I'm talking like, firewalls, VLAN segmentation, MAC filtering, hell, even physical airgapped isolation. Like, why go through all that trouble when you're not going to play with your old 386 for more than half an hour, and nobody even remembers what WinNuke is?
Maybe some of these guys just enjoy noodling about with hardcore network security at home for shits and giggles. 1337 h4x0r network shit can be fun to play with.
 
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This is awesome! The next time I drop a Linux install on a laptop aging out of modern Windows performance demands I'll have to set it up with this UI theme.

Anyone trying the Chicago95 XFCE theme, the python installer in the author's git may return errors depending on your XFCE distro. There's another install script "Chicagofier" that downloads everything needed and runs the installer without complaint:

 
Again, the problem is not that users desperately want a GUI that looks like Windows. Millions and millions of Windows users happily learned Android or iOS and I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone since 2007 say "I wish this looked more like Windows".
They don't want an os that "looks like" windows. It's more they want it to act like windows, feel like it, have the same menu flow. If a simple to use linux variant doesn't do a good enough job of that the it is a moot point to normies. It not supporting the software they have used for years by default does not help. There are plenty of people that can learn. Most just won't. As has been said.
 
They don't want an os that "looks like" windows. It's more they want it to act like windows, feel like it, have the same menu flow. If a simple to use linux variant doesn't do a good enough job of that the it is a moot point to normies. It not supporting the software they have used for years by default does not help. There are plenty of people that can learn. Most just won't. As has been said.

If you're admitting that Linux does a worse job at everything normal people want their tools to do, what problem would switching to Linux solve for them that outweighs all the problems that the switch would cause? You say people won't switch like there's this great reason for them to switch, but they're just stubborn. Software is a tool. Tools do jobs. If the tool does a bad job, why use it?
 
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