Microsoft is fucking butthurt no one wants Windows 11 so they're stopping the sale of Windows 10 licenses this month

[Toolbox]

No, he just forgot to install Realtek drivers. I know that feel because I've felt that feel. Strange and terrible things happen when you use Realtek products and forget to install their drivers.

I highly doubt this would actually solve my problems, been in and out of trying to figure out the nightmare that still is drivers on windows decades after people first began complaining. But do provide.

If you're admitting that Linux does a worse job at everything normal people want their tools to do, what problem would switching to Linux solve for them that outweighs all the problems that the switch would cause?

Linux doesn't have a variant that has exactly the same format as Windows because that would be a legal nightmare. That is the only thing preventing the OS from 'feeling' like windows. As for looking like it I think that's purely a negative as Windows has looked like shit since at least 8 and continues to look shittier with less and less option to change it away from what Microsoft wants you to have it look like. Without extensive modification no normal user knows how to do at least. Isn't that supposed to be one of the pros of windows? Not being a fuckfest to do basic things with? As for the software side, yes Linux does not have all the same software as Windows without Windows being emulated. I feel like this horse has been beaten into a pulp far before the sperging in this thread began, doesn't matter if it was the pro linux fags or the anti.

 

[The Ugly One]

I highly doubt this would actually solve my problems, been in and out of trying to figure out the nightmare that still is drivers on windows decades after people first began complaining. But do provide.

Linux doesn't have a variant that has exactly the same format as Windows because that would be a legal nightmare. That is the only thing preventing the OS from 'feeling' like windows. As for looking like it I think that's purely a negative as Windows has looked like shit since at least 8 and continues to look shittier with less and less option to change it away from what Microsoft wants you to have it look like. Without extensive modification no normal user knows how to do at least. Isn't that supposed to be one of the pros of windows? Not being a fuckfest to do basic things with? As for the software side, yes Linux does not have all the same software as Windows without Windows being emulated. I feel like this horse has been beaten into a pulp far before the sperging in this thread began, doesn't matter if it was the pro linux fags or the anti.

Nowhere did you state the problem the home user has that switching to Linux solves.

Notably, the problem that motivated this thread is, "I like Windows 10 and think it's a great operating system. I like it so much that the changes in Windows 11 are sufficiently unwelcome that I do not want to ever use it."

Immediately, Linux people insisted Linux is a solution to this problem. Once Windows users pointed out that Linux both fails to solve this problem (it's even more different from Win 10 than Win 11) and introduces a host of new ones, the Linux people devolved, as these discussions always do, into insisting that you should use Linux for little more reason than, "just because."

Software is just a tool. If it doesn't do your job well, there's not really a good reason to use it. I've been using Linux professionally for over 15 years. But that's because it solves specific work-related problems I have in the space I work in, not because "it's the right thing to do," or to "prove I'm not lazy," or "because commercial software bad."

 

[Desu Mountain]

I highly doubt this would actually solve my problems, been in and out of trying to figure out the nightmare that still is drivers on windows decades after people first began complaining. But do provide.

All of your audio problems scream "Realtek".

 

[Generic Retard]

I'm an IT Janny so I have to switch over 1300+ laptops to this garbage.

I fucking hate my life.

Kill me.

Become janny for *nix, simple as.
Problems are more interesting and the devices you are supporting are actually doing something important.

 

[Sniperwoof]

Become janny for *nix, simple as.
Problems are more interesting and the devices you are supporting are actually doing something important.

No, becoming a forum janny is cringe and gay.

Remove janny.

 

[The Ugly One]

Become janny for *nix, simple as.
Problems are more interesting and the devices you are supporting are actually doing something important.

Ironically, as a user, I hate using destkop Linux in an enterprise environment. Taking root access away from a Linux user, which you have to do to deploy at scale if you don't want random retards irretrievably breaking their machines all the time, practically cripples the usefulness of a Linux system. If you have an extremely competent IT & devops group, it is still painful, but tolerable. Also, as everybody's going full retard for remote VM everything, VNC is fucking garbage, and if your IT refuses to support NoMachine (because they're retards), your dev environment is just going to be fucked. Fortunately for me, I was able to get a Windows laptop, so I could do everything natively in Windows on my local machine except compile, which I fired off to a Linux node.

If they're anything less than god-tier, though, you'll find insane things like developers cobbling together bespoke solutions consisting of spack, SSH tunnels, and multiple VMs and servers just to be able to build, compile, and test without filing multiple IT tickets that take weeks to resolve. You might even find projects getting canceled, and when you dig in, it's because the developers gave up on trying to solve their own software problems that IT couldn't handle, but denied them the tools to fix themselves.

 

[Smar Mijou]

The main hardware driving growth at Microsoft is all in Azure data centers. The people who buy new computers just to get OS updates is a small margin that doesn't matter, certainly not enough to drive corporate strategy. Moreover, revenue growth continues to be healthy. Doing gay little tricks to try and scrap another fraction of a percent of revenue out of a tiny fraction of the market is what flailing companies with falling revenues do. When Win 11 becomes the only supported OS in 2025, at that point, Win 11 will be supported on CPUs that are up to 8 years old. That is plenty old. People with system older than that who are still trying to run brand-new software are marginal. There are plenty of gay & retarded motivators for Win 11, like trying to shit more ads at people or once again trick them into using Bing, but "we're dying because people aren't buying new PCs" isn't one of them.

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The driving motivation is almost certainly little more than the fact that the more people they can shift from Win 10 to Win 11 before the drop-dead date of Oct 2024, the less pain they're going to have to deal with from low-info goobers who don't understand why, in 2025, they're not able to install and run the newest version of Photoshop, Office, or Goat Simulator on your 11-year-old PC.

Im actually debating the other side of the topic. More that the hardware manufacturers are leaning on MS to push the system requirements up in order to increase their sales, not Microsoft's. And MS is acquiescing, while pushing more telemetry and Software As A Service at the same time, so it's a mutually beneficial relationship for MS and the hardware manufacturers, that fucks the end user both ways. MS is definitely not hurting for money, but they would never hesitate to turn down any revenue stream that they could get into. The planned obsolescence of different operating systems has always been intentional. Sometimes by necessity, such as when the OS kernel was fundamentally changed from MSDOS based to NT based with WinXP, or for sometimes dubious reasons that dont seem to merit the purchase of an entire new OS. But the "free" upgrades that Microsoft has been offering since Windows 7 and up? They're not doing that out of their own generosity. Its just an underhanded and sneaky way to harvest more consumer data, strip away products that you have already paid for and used to "own", and artificially brick older devices and software to turn everyone into a constant revenue stream of consoomers. Adobe famously did this with their "Creative Suite" in 2013, instantly turning what was at that time a purchased and whilly owned product, into a subscription based service.

And speaking of Photoshop, to add even more to the end-stage capitalism dystopian future that is now, in 2022 unless you started paying a monthly licensing fee, certain colors will be blacked out in Photoshop. Due to a dispute between Adobe and Pantone, even 20+year old files are being changed due to corporate cocksucking greed.

 

[Matt Damon]

And speaking of Photoshop, to add even more to the end-stage capitalism dystopian future that is now, in 2022 unless you started paying a monthly licensing fee, certain colors will be blacked out in Photoshop. Due to a dispute between Adobe and Pantone, even 20+year old files are being changed due to corporate cocksucking greed.

Maybe there's something I don't understand here (I'm not a Photoshop guy), but can't they pretty much effortlessly replace the "Pantone colors" with whatever their hex equivalents are?

This seems as trivial as me naming #d6daff "Matt Damon Blue™" and saying I have to be paid if you use Matt Damon Blue™, but having no control over use of #d6daff.

 

[The Ugly One]

Im actually debating the other side of the topic. More that the hardware manufacturers are leaning on MS to push the system requirements up in order to increase their sales, not Microsoft's. And MS is acquiescing, while pushing more telemetry and Software As A Service at the same time, so it's a mutually beneficial relationship for MS and the hardware manufacturers, that fucks the end user both ways. MS is definitely not hurting for money, but they would never hesitate to turn down any revenue stream that they could get into. The planned obsolescence of different operating systems has always been intentional. Sometimes by necessity, such as when the OS kernel was fundamentally changed from MSDOS based to NT based with WinXP, or for sometimes dubious reasons that dont seem to merit the purchase of an entire new OS. But the "free" upgrades that Microsoft has been offering since Windows 7 and up? They're not doing that out of their own generosity. Its just an underhanded and sneaky way to harvest more consumer data, strip away products that you have already paid for and used to "own", and artificially brick older devices and software to turn everyone into a constant revenue stream of consoomers. And speaking of Photoshop, to add even more to the end-stage capitalism dystopian future that is now, unless you start paying a monthly licensing fee, certain colors will be blacked out in Photoshop.

I understand your argument, but it's not what drives the PC market. Home users with 10-year-old machines simply do not spend enough money to drive billion-dollar decisions at Fortune 100 companies.

The reality is the PC market is driven primarily by enterprise customers. Something like 75%-85% of Microsoft's non-Xbox revenue ultimately comes from business users, not home users. PC sales are down this year because there was a huge lockdown boost to enterprise laptop sales & servers due to the shift to working from home, which was a one-off that didn't repeat this year. It has nothing at all to do with demanding gamers or web-surfing Boomers.

So take this TPM thing everybody's upset about. This is not a clever ploy by intel to force gamers to upgrade to Rocket Lake so you can keep playing CS:GO on Windows 11. The chip makers are responding to demands from corporate IT departments, who want it to be as difficult as possible to decrypt data that gets harvested during a security breach. Security is a huge fucking deal to corporate IT. Microsoft invests $1 billion a year in security research. It's not for retarded home users who think passw0rd123 is secure. It's for enterprise customers for whom one data breach is potentially company-destroying.

Every Intel & AMD CPU now has TPM because of businesses. Windows 11 has TPM support built in because of businesses. The reason they have termination of support for home users' Phenom IIs and 3rd gen Cores coming in 2025 isn't because home users with old computers have all this money they're desperate to get. It's the opposite. It's because they spend so little money that inconveniencing them is not that big a deal.

 

[Matt Damon]

If a simple to use linux variant doesn't do a good enough job of that the it is a moot point to normies. It not supporting the software they have used for years by default does not help. There are plenty of people that can learn. Most just won't. As has been said.

lmao

Why would they, given the very issues you just presented? They'd have to learn a whole new interface, a whole new file system, a whole new mode of computing generally, and the net result is a system that won't natively support the software they've used for years. That's the supposed carrot for putting in all that work.

You paint a more negative picture of desktop Linux for the end user than even I have and yet you STILL imply that it's simply laziness or stubbornness preventing people from switching. I'm sorry, but there's no reasoning with that level of zealotry.

 

[ZMOT]

This is awesome! The next time I drop a Linux install on a laptop aging out of modern Windows performance demands I'll have to set it up with this UI theme.

that always worked, most people don't even understand what makes windows "windows". and since every new version comes with a new default UI anyway they can't even go by looks anymore.

It's always "security" being pushed as the main reason to upgrade, and I think I might have said something similar earlier in this thread, but MS has always acted as if you don't immediately "upgrade" to the latest and greatest OS, or download the newest update, l337 h4x0r5! straight from 2600.com are gonna hack your computer, burn down your house, and drain your grandma's pension account empty.

having worked in support, I can tell you people ARE that dumb and open every 0-day email attachment and link.

the main issue with windows, it wants to be convenient and easy to use like an apple, while being a "proper" operating system for professional use. imagine you want to be fisher price and fischertechnik (for the toy-nerds among us, think of big boy lego technic) at the same time, which obviously doesn't work. hence that shizo dumbing down of everything while not going the extra mile to make it idiot proof (because that would be inconvenient, and MS is too incompetent anyway). best example would be the UAC prompt vista pushed, but everyone complained about because for decades everyone, including microsoft, went with "just run everything as admin lawl", thus hardly any software works in a limited userspace, up to this day. which means that suspicious attachment or link WILL completely fuck with your machine, and not just your account. and I've already railed against "fixing" windows...

They don't want an os that "looks like" windows. It's more they want it to act like windows, feel like it, have the same menu flow. If a simple to use linux variant doesn't do a good enough job of that the it is a moot point to normies. It not supporting the software they have used for years by default does not help. There are plenty of people that can learn. Most just won't. As has been said.

linux has offered that for years. the problem of most wintards is they aren't aware how they use windows, and even less how the average normie does. I've unironically had to deal with plenty of people where "the internet was gone". now, most of us would assume that means connectivity, right? nope, it means a certain icon in a certain place, that maybe was called "internet"-something, wasn't there anymore.
the same people who have zero clue how anything works and just call someone "who knows computer stuff". you absolutely can trojan horse linux for those people, because it exceeds their requirement the same way windows does, while being safer and running with less maintenance - and that was long before the time of google docs/"office in the cloud" and mobile phones.

lmao

Why would they, given the very issues you just presented? They'd have to learn a whole new interface, a whole new file system, a whole new mode of computing generally, and the net result is a system that won't natively support the software they've used for years. That's the supposed carrot for putting in all that work.

You paint a more negative picture of desktop Linux for the end user than even I have and yet you STILL imply that it's simply laziness or stubbornness preventing people from switching. I'm sorry, but there's no reasoning with that level of zealotry.

right, because windows never changes their inteface (and I'm not talking about UI looks, shit like the ribbon in office affecting usability), let alone the average windows user having any clue how the fucking file system works. have you seen average desktop where all the shit gets saved? for them it means absolutely jack shit if their drive starts with C: or /.

and what fucking "mode of computing"? you mean CLI like most retards when windows has you use the powershell all the fucking time too, especially with shit like windows home because the group policy editor is a "pro" feature? nigga linux had a GUI for the same length as windows where you simply clicked shit, even longer if you include unix.

there's nothing wrong with not liking linux or preferring windows, but at least have a good reason for it besides "I'm a retard who doesn't know what I'm talking about".

 

[Matt Damon]

because windows never changes their inteface

When I learn the trivial changes to a new Windows interface, my reward isn't that all my old programs suddenly stop being compatible with it.

let alone the average windows user having any clue how the fucking file system works. have you seen average desktop where all the shit gets saved? for them it means absolutely jack shit if their drive starts with C: or /.

"The average Windows user is so stupid and computer-illiterate that it should totally easy for them to learn an entirely different operating system paradigm."

you mean CLI like most retards when windows has you use the powershell all the fucking time too

More fan fiction from someone who clearly doesn't use Windows. I think I'd comfortably be considered a "power user" and I can count on one hand the number of times I've used powershell. Maybe if you're an enterprise IT administrator it becomes more necessary (I don't know because I'm not one), but that's well outside the scope of this conversation.

nigga linux had a GUI for the same length as windows where you simply clicked shit, even longer if you include unix.

I don't even understand what this means.

 

[Aidan]

"The average Windows user is so stupid and computer-illiterate that it should totally easy for them to learn an entirely different operating system paradigm."

He's saying they won't have to.

 

[Desu Mountain]

PowerShell never seems to work right for me. Meanwhile good old cmd.exe has never let me down.

 

[The Ugly One]

linux has offered that for years. the problem of most wintards is they aren't aware how they use windows, and even less how the average normie does. I've unironically had to deal with plenty of people where "the internet was gone". now, most of us would assume that means connectivity, right? nope, it means a certain icon in a certain place, that maybe was called "internet"-something, wasn't there anymore.

And these are the kinds of people you think can be taught to run Windows apps through the Wine compatibility layer and occasionally troubleshoot configuration files on their own.

nigga linux had a GUI for the same length as windows where you simply clicked shit, even longer if you include unix.

Have you actually worked in a UNIX environment from the 1990s?

 

[Matt Damon]

And these are the kinds of people you think can be taught to run Windows apps through the Wine compatibility layer and occasionally troubleshoot configuration files on their own.

The theory seems to be that they'll never, ever, ever do anything with their computer outside a web browser, ever. No Office, no Turbotax, no photo editing or Movie Maker software to remember holidays and family gatherings, no lightweight Windows games for the grandkids, no Hallmark card-making bullshit, no sharing files with a Windows computer on a home network, nothing ever.

And if they want any of those things, just tell grandma to find a FOSS alternative, jump on a terminal, add some unknown repo, update apt, download, install, and then learn how to build one of its cocksucking dependencies from source because there's an incompatibility with the version that Ubuntu's LTS repo has.

It's just that easy, bro.

 

[Aidan]

The theory seems to be that they'll never, ever, ever do anything with their computer outside a web browser, ever. No Office, no Turbotax, no photo editing or Movie Maker software to remember holidays and family gatherings, no lightweight Windows games for the grandkids, no Hallmark card-making bullshit, no sharing files with a Windows computer on a home network, nothing ever.

And if they want any of those things, just tell grandma to find a FOSS alternative, jump on a terminal, add some unknown repo, update apt, download, install, and then learn how to build one of its cocksucking dependencies from source because there's an incompatibility with the version that Ubuntu's LTS repo has.

It's just that easy, bro.

You both are dramatic about all the super special software most people use and how neckbeardy Linux proponents are.
Most people aren't tied to MS Office, they will use Google or Apple stuff without fuss.
Most individuals do taxes in the browser or pay someone who likely does.
Most people don't edit photos in Photoshop.
Most people don't edit videos.
Most people people don't give two thoughts about "lightweight Windows games for the grandkids."
Most people don't use Hallmark software lol wat.
Most people don't set up file shares on their home network.

I don't expect this post to change your outlook but it's very overblown. If they want those things but for some reason don't want to use Windows then there's a massive ecosystem of alternatives that replace it or perhaps can even run the same software and none of it requires compiling any code, opening a terminal, modifying config files, reverse engineering a binary... blah blah blah
You are just being the inverse of a gentooman.

 

[Matt Damon]

Most people aren't tied to MS Office, they will use Google or Apple stuff without fuss.
Most individuals do taxes in the browser or pay someone who likely does.
Most people don't edit photos in Photoshop.
Most people don't edit videos.
Most people people don't give two thoughts about "lightweight Windows games for the grandkids."
Most people don't use Hallmark software lol wat.
Most people don't set up file shares on their home network.

It's fascinating how terribly concerned Linux users are with the operating system running on computers that are never, ever used.

 

[Aidan]

It's fascinating how terribly concerned Linux users are with the operating system running on computers that are never, ever used.

I think you are extremely out of touch with normies and computers. Go to a public space where people crack open laptops and do some shoulder surfing as you walk around. I guarantee you that over 90% of the screens you see will have the browser open.

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

Maybe there's something I don't understand here (I'm not a Photoshop guy), but can't they pretty much effortlessly replace the "Pantone colors" with whatever their hex equivalents are?

This seems as trivial as me naming #d6daff "Matt Damon Blue™" and saying I have to be paid if you use Matt Damon Blue™, but having no control over use of #d6daff.

The problem is that if you're selecting Pantone colors, your actually selecting CMYK colors for physical printing/manufacture. Hex/RGB does not perfectly translate into CMYK, and a manufacturer may 'interpret' a color in a more affordable/easier to make way that washes out the shade you were going for. People can be exceedingly autistic about this, and Pantone more or less has the market cornered as the 'standard'. Send a printer RGB and you get close, send them Pantone shades and you'll eventually get the right shade - Immediately if its a reasonable producer, after 2-3 revisions of "no thats not it" with chinesium manufacturing. Even the chinks, while they don't give a fuck about the patents, they're just here to churn shit out for cheap and don't want to waste time on actually helping you out.

Now technically you could play games recreating the exact CMYK mix for a given pantone shade, without calling it that pantone shade, but then the manufacturer would have to source non-pantone formulas for the coloration. In some cases, this is practically impossible - You can't patent a color, but you can patent a particular chemical mixture of pigments. They're more likely to tell you to knock it off and actually get the rights to the colors they can make.

On topic, Windows 11 looks fucking awful and I'm in no rush to switch. I dragged my feet forever on upgrading from 7, and I'll do the same over here. I'm surprised to an extent that microsoft doesn't create two windows products - They sort of had the pro delineation in the past, but a division between the retard proof baby windows that holds your hand, stops you from touching anything important, and forces updates and shit on you, and a windows that doesn't do that and expects you to keep your own shit working would be great. It wouldn't even be a hard market to segment, have all public commercial sales of windows be the baby version, preinstalls baby version, etc, and then just retail the competent version as OEM codes and disks/sticks from hardware vendors. The kind of people assembling their own machines are more or less the target audience for it already.

Of course, that would require Microsoft to perform work, and they can't even figure out how to make a window based user interface comfortable and responsive, even after inventing and all but mastering the damned thing. We're eventually going to have a hard cut where microsoft decides the legacy dead weight they're carrying is too much, and its gonna be apocalyptic to the computing scene.