The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[Friendly Primarina]

Goddamn it, who makes dh_dwz and why is this shitty software still part of the dh suite? If something goes wrong when packaging software, it's always dh_dwz. Fuck this garbage.

 

[Aidan]

Moving this out of the Win11 thread.

This is awesome! The next time I drop a Linux install on a laptop aging out of modern Windows performance demands I'll have to set it up with this UI theme.

I like Xubuntu and did use Chicago95 for a bit on my active laptop, it caught a few eyes here and there and is plenty serviceable.
Don't tell the Windows fags this but on that particular machine something about Xubuntu would result in the mouse input ceasing so I had to hotkey an alias I made to reset the input instead of actually fixing it. I've never had that happen on any other distro but if you're not hotkey oriented it'd be very annoying to deal with that. Figured it's worth a mention in case you run into something similar.

Chicago95 works best with Xubuntu and works well enough for a few other distros with XFCE I tested it in.

 

[Lone Wandering Courier]

I want to run the chicago95 theme, but I am already so entrenched in my KDE setup. I have a bit of a weird layout that kinda mimics the layout of Unity and I really got accustomed to it. only issue being that some programs don't support the global menu plugin (looking at you firefox).

 

[no-exit]

I want to run the chicago95 theme, but I am already so entrenched in my KDE setup. I have a bit of a weird layout that kinda mimics the layout of Unity and I really got accustomed to it. only issue being that some programs don't support the global menu plugin (looking at you firefox).

I don't use KDE so I haven't used this myself, but I did find these.
Reactionary KDE Theme
Memphis98 Icons for KDE

 

[ZMOT]

I don't use KDE so I haven't used this myself, but I did find these.
Reactionary KDE Theme
Memphis98 Icons for KDE
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holy shit, it hits right in the nostalgia...

 

[Molokroid]

Any schizos here heard of (or tried) the MNT Reform?

MNT Reform: The Much More Personal Computer—MNT Research

An "open-source hardware" ARM laptop that comes with a trackball. Sounds like it might be a bit underpowered for the absurd demands even basic tasks seem to make on CPUs these days however.

From a glance it looks like a cool project with admirable ideals but it is basically just a librem phone chipset in a fancy case. The main specs are a 4 core 1.9 GHz ARM CPU with 4 gigs of DDR4 ram.
I am not sure if it would have enough processing power to do anything worthwhile apart from enabling dunning kruger schizos to rice it, post their neofetches on r/unixporn or /g/ and then write various hello worlds in obscure languages.
I do however really like the way the battery situation is handled, as it just uses easily replaceable 18650 cells.



The $1550 price tag for the fully assembled version does not include the the wifi card, an SSD or an IEC cable to connect to the power supply. I can understand why they did not include those specific parts, as the end users will most likely want their own specific versions but 1500 bucks for a bare bones laptop is pretty expensive for what you are actually getting. You can save 200 bucks by purchasing the laptop as a kit and then adding on a trackball or a trackpad.


Specs off the website. Certainly a thick laptop but it is nice to see something that is easily serviceable with no spookyness inside it.

The developers look just as you would expect, as they are German afterall.
https://mastodon.social/@mntmn

 

[Another Char Clone]

From a glance it looks like a cool project with admirable ideals but it is basically just a librem phone chipset in a fancy case. The main specs are a 4 core 1.9 GHz ARM CPU with 4 gigs of DDR4 ram.
I am not sure if it would have enough processing power to do anything worthwhile apart from enabling dunning kruger schizos to rice it, post their neofetches on r/unixporn or /g/ and then write various hello worlds in obscure languages.
I do however really like the way the battery situation is handled, as it just uses easily replaceable 18650 cells.

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The $1550 price tag for the fully assembled version does not include the the wifi card, an SSD or an IEC cable to connect to the power supply. I can understand why they did not include those specific parts, as the end users will most likely want their own specific versions but 1500 bucks for a bare bones laptop is pretty expensive for what you are actually getting. You can save 200 bucks by purchasing the laptop as a kit and then adding on a trackball or a trackpad.

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Specs off the website. Certainly a thick laptop but it is nice to see something that is easily serviceable with no spookyness inside it.

The developers look just as you would expect, as they are German afterall.
https://mastodon.social/@mntmn
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4GB RAM seems way underpowered these days, make it 64GB so I can run Kerbal Space Program on it with a browser open in the background.

 

[AmpleApricots]

Even things like older Thinkpads with their external batteries have more utility and are probably significantly faster. The problem with all these projects is that they're going with ARM and ARM sucks for this use case (Linux anything), for reasons spanning from vendor support to actual hardware capabilities. It's been how many years since the original Pi now? And there's still not a single ARM SBC that is both equipped for comfortable daily usage without too many sacrifices and well supported in the mainline kernel. Some ARM SoCs actually come really fucking close but there's always something. It's just not gonna happen. I'm even willing to bet that apple silicon will never be properly supported either to the point where it actually makes sense to run a Linux on it as opposed to MacOS.

Then again, going with ARM is probably the only way as that's the only place where you actually get SoCs for small projects like this which I'm guessing are evaluation boards. If you show up with a project in numbers like this at intel/amd hq they're not even gonna bother sending their rep to point and laugh at you.. so alright. I guess.

I also just realized they went with LiFePO4 batteries which are kinda difficult to keep alive properly and also are significantly less energy efficient in this scenario, while being more expensive and less available overall. (they do last magnitudes longer though, *if* properly used, they e.g. also *hate* any kind of warmth over 30C which I dunno.. could happen in a closed notebook case that stands in the sun?!) ....Why? If you design your device in a way where replacing the cells is a non-issue to begin with, there's absolutely no reason to go down that road, especially when your device already has problems in that area. (5 hours of battery life is piss poor for this ARM SoC, especially considering how fucking huge that thing is)

I'm german also and do not approve.

 

[Jeff Q. Anime]

make it 64GB so I can run Kerbal Space Program on it with a browser open in the background.

No joke, I upgraded from *32* to 64GB because the fucktarded way KSP loads *all the data* in the main menu would make my modded install consoom >20GB memory at launch and OOM all the things.

 

[seri0us]

I'm even willing to bet that apple silicon will never be properly supported either to the point where it actually makes sense to run a Linux on it as opposed to MacOS.

That's something I am/was interested in because after their official software-side is declared "end of life" it would be nice if there's an option to keep them running, except even physical maintenance on the machine past wiping down the exterior seems to be a big rigamarole so I'm not too sure what the point would be long term.

 

[std::string]

4GB RAM seems way underpowered these days, make it 64GB so I can run Kerbal Space Program on it with a browser open in the background.

I threw Arch on an old laptop with 4GB RAM for fun.

With LXDE and swap on ZRAM using Chromium it's fine as long as you forget that tabs are even a thing that exists.

 

[AmpleApricots]

That's something I am/was interested in because after their official software-side is declared "end of life" it would be nice if there's an option to keep them running, except even physical maintenance on the machine past wiping down the exterior seems to be a big rigamarole so I'm not too sure what the point would be long term.

These things are not maintainable. I replaced the screen of a beloved iPhone X for a good friend, it just randomly died and of course there were no backups of some stuff on it (what else). It was less than fun and I even ended up having to buy a special programmer so that the screen would work right. In that process I learned apparently the iPhone X is the last one that is "easy to repair" and apparently newer ones will just brick themselves or not work right if it's not some approved apple component replaced by them, and yes, this includes the battery. I doubt the other apple devices are different in any way. They might be though and I didn't research how you bypass all these apple traps so maybe someone more knowledgeable will say it's not a big issue. (I think it is) My interest for apple anything was always zero and became negative a million after that iphone experience.

But to be honest, modern x86 or androids aren't any different. They want you to throw that shit away. Now that a 7-8 year old PC is still perfectly fine for anything including light gaming, in the coming years they'll want you to throw that shit away even more than anything else. If you look at the capabilities of e.g. aforementioned Thinkpads, they used to have replaceable batteries. Even my shitty Atom Netbook in the 00s used to have an external, replaceable battery. That was normal. With a bit of skill I could crack the battery casing open and replace the internal cells if I couldn't find a replacement. Modern battery controllers will brick themselves if you do this, citing "safety". Nowadays it's even a question if it's *possible* to replace the battery, even if you are a somewhat competent tinkerer. If governments would actually care about the enviroment, they wouldn't impotently sperg about usb-c ports, they'd fine these companies billions a day until they come up with an mandatory, external, slide-in battery design. Hell, make it universal with different categories of mobile devices. It is not impossible. It's not even difficult. It's not like any of them are creative in their designs to begin with. Their devices are already all basically the same as-is.

With LXDE and swap on ZRAM using Chromium it's fine as long as you forget that tabs are even a thing that exists.

Firefox has auto tab discard, which basically unloads tabs you don't use and reloads them on click. You can of course exclude certain tabs etc.. I like to have a million tabs open and even often have two or three browser instances running. I'm in that status right now and my machine has currently a memory usage of 2,8 GB. 4 GB need some considerations and can get tight but I actually find it managable, if you don't want to play vidya.

 

[Ahriman]

Plasma 5.27 is out, KDEbros! https://kde.org/announcements/plasma/5/5.27.0/

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

Good to see the KDE team trying to at least make the Wayland experience as comfortable as they can, the Global Shortcuts improvements should make a big difference for productivity on that end.

 

[Miller]

I wanted to try Nobara Linux but jfc it's a pain in the ass to download the iso on their website. For some reason the download randomly fails.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

I wanted to try Nobara Linux but jfc it's a pain in the ass to download the iso on their website. For some reason the download randomly fails.

One of the worst aspects of any common distro is a lack of official torrent, I'm not sure if it's some bizarre legal or technical issue, but Red Hat Enterprise Linux is the same way. Or, I am just not browsing the site thoroughly enough. It's bullshit.

Really, if a distribution ISO goes over 1.5 gigabytes, it should have an official torrent.

 

[Ahriman]

 

[ZMOT]

One of the worst aspects of any common distro is a lack of official torrent, I'm not sure if it's some bizarre legal or technical issue, but Red Hat Enterprise Linux is the same way. Or, I am just not browsing the site thoroughly enough. It's bullshit.

Really, if a distribution ISO goes over 1.5 gigabytes, it should have an official torrent.

why torrent if you can leech from most sites directly?

I like to have a million tabs open and even often have two or three browser instances running.

now I know you're german

 

[std::string]

One of the worst aspects of any common distro is a lack of official torrent, I'm not sure if it's some bizarre legal or technical issue, but Red Hat Enterprise Linux is the same way. Or, I am just not browsing the site thoroughly enough. It's bullshit.

You're not missing anything. RHEL doesn't have a torrent.

I don't think there's a legal issue here. Red Hat is just very protective of their ISO for whatever reason.

 

[Ahriman]