Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[Rubick]

To avoid too much technical sperging:

Due to the re-use of the main powerplant/engine, the Kh-101 is essentially a reskinned, improved Kh-55. Until 2014 when Russia established it's own domestically produced engine alternative, the Kh-101 (and Kalibur) were using the same Ukranian produced engine that was on the Kh-55:
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That may be. But then again hard to thrust a source that claims that Kalibr's used same engines as Kh-55 kh-101/102 which is of a turbofan type. Kalibr's were always advertised using turbojets all the way back to the 90's. So this part of the claim is very much false.

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BTW, kh-101/Kh-102 are not at all reskinned Kh-55. Kh-101/102 are much longer and far heavier missiles. Besides having a stealthier shell.

And yeah quick googling around. Ze Kh-101/102 where according to the TTZ supposed to have been reusing R-95 turbofans. Then not likely that has changed.

 

[Random Internet Person]

retreat will lead to people asking uncomfortable questions

You mean people aren't already asking those questions?

 

[Francis York Morgan]

This thread has gotten really out of hand with all the bitchfits, baitings, and general obnoxiousness when it comes to the discussion of Slavic affairs. There's been times where a whole day's worth of reports have been specifically related to drama pouring out of this thread and it's been leaking into other parts of the site. In order to reign things in, @Useful_Mistake, @Haramburger, and I have decided to make it as clear as possible how things are going to be moving forward:

• KF-wide rules apply (illegal stuff, fedposting, slapfights, trying to provoke a slapfight, etc).
• Breaking of a rule is a week-long threadban, second offense is double that, third offense is a permanent threadban. A month of good behavior washes away one minor offense. Brazen ignoration of the rules is a permanent ban.
• Articles, or similar media, are disallowed. An exception to this rule is a citation of several paragraphs of an article (accompanied with an archived link to the article, or a link to an A&N post of that article) to make a on-topic relevant point. Similar media (videos, telegram posts) are allowed as an update to the war situation, as long as such media would not qualify for an A&N Ukraine thread. Full copying of an article is a serious offense.
• Videos of drone strikes, tank attacks, dead bodies, are allowed (only spoilered) as long as it is used as an update and less of "ha ha, look at how your side is losing, ha ha so many dead bodies"
• Posts must be on topic.
• Copypasta is not permitted.

I think we're being pretty reasonable here. Keep your shit together, don't be a cunt, and, if you find yourself getting really upset about some anonymous shitposter's take on the Internet, take a walk outside or something.

 

[Fait Accompli]

You mean people aren't already asking those questions?

I thought about this, Bakhmut has for months been the center of attention. Much more attention has been given to it compared to its actual value, im not saying it has low value but still. I think its because its the first offensive Russia did in several months.

And people have for weeks been discussing a retreat from Bakhmut, bleeding the russians, so on and so on. So an orderly retreat from Bakhmut doesnt seem that disastrous PR wise.
And as it has been proven that US/Western intelligence plays a big part in the Ukranian strategy, i have a hard time seeing that the west would recommend staying in Bakhmut if it was a meatgrinder and leaning towards absolute encirclement, its just not the western doctrine. So whats really going on seems like a mystery, i have no idea.

 

[Foltest]

When the war is over (lets hope it is sooner then later) I really really hope that we will get a factual overview of the battle of Bakhmut.
Trying to following it now and getting numbesr on how many have died on both sites, is nearly impossible.

 

[DenseDeerFather]

Now, this isn't related to the technicalities of war but rather just general musings on public perceptions.

So my country is still fully supportive of Ukraine but news updates from mainstream news are getting sparse. Yet our new government has declared that they will use even more money to help the war effort and are training Ukrainian soldiers in the UK - seemingly.

There's weird shit going on with our state-sponsored media because they have picked up Ukraine's Eurovision entry and made them perform and have them cry out to "help Ukraine".

It's rather blatant and cringe. If there's any solace in this, there's growing pushback against the purely black-and-white notion of "Ukraine pure and good. Russia Nazi Germany 2.0"

I may sound like I'm pro-Russia but honestly, I pick no sides. I just wish it'd end.

I'd also like the truth of the whole matter to be publically known but that's a pipe dream.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Now, this isn't related to the technicalities of war but rather just general musings on public perceptions.

So my country is still fully supportive of Ukraine but news updates from mainstream news are getting sparse. Yet our new government has declared that they will use even more money to help the war effort and are training Ukrainian soldiers in the UK - seemingly.

There's weird shit going on with our state-sponsored media because they have picked up Ukraine's Eurovision entry and made them perform and have them cry out to "help Ukraine".

It's rather blatant and cringe. If there's any solace in this, there's growing pushback against the purely black-and-white notion of "Ukraine pure and good. Russia Nazi Germany 2.0"

I may sound like I'm pro-Russia but honestly, I pick no sides. I just wish it'd end.

Sounds rough. Honestly, if updates are slow from the news, that may be a sign that things are either slow as molasses, or Ukraine isn’t doing very well.

 

[Fait Accompli]

Now, this isn't related to the technicalities of war but rather just general musings on public perceptions.

So my country is still fully supportive of Ukraine but news updates from mainstream news are getting sparse. Yet our new government has declared that they will use even more money to help the war effort and are training Ukrainian soldiers in the UK - seemingly.

There's weird shit going on with our state-sponsored media because they have picked up Ukraine's Eurovision entry and made them perform and have them cry out to "help Ukraine".

It's rather blatant and cringe. If there's any solace in this, there's growing pushback against the purely black-and-white notion of "Ukraine pure and good. Russia Nazi Germany 2.0"

I may sound like I'm pro-Russia but honestly, I pick no sides. I just wish it'd end.

I'd also like the truth of the whole matter to be publically known but that's a pipe dream.

Im pro-Ukrainian, but when diving into the " feel good propaganda " disguised as entertainment, Eurovision is the absolute worst. Like, there is a part of western governments that are powerful, competent and willing to support this war with real help. Then there is the population, virtue signaling and PC. Eurovision is basically a concentrated form of the latter, its awful. And i bet it damages the Ukrainian cause more than it helps, long term. It just makes it looks ridicioulous

If u wanna host a fag festival, atleast let the music decide :/

 

[AgendaPoster]

slapfights, trying to provoke a slapfight

Have a feeling that this is not enforceable since basically the entire topic is exactly a slapfight.
Is calling people vatniks and hohols provoking a slapfight for example?
Or intentionally posting fake shit just to cause a reaction?
Or describing your opponents as trannies, nazis and homosexuals?
There are literally thousands of pages that are just that.
And when the war started, you had hundreds of pages of only pro-Russia lunacy and sperging, tranny memes, but there were no slapfights due to the volume of vatnik shenanigans.
Skeptic, but as always, I love jannies and will totally abide by the rules.
PS: btw if people are misusing the Report system and bothering you guys with dumb reports about people being obnoxious online, maybe spill the beans on who does that so we can bully them instead lmao

 

[PrimeRadiant]

I thought about this, Bakhmut has for months been the center of attention. Much more attention has been given to it compared to its actual value, im not saying it has low value but still. I think its because its the first offensive Russia did in several months.

And people have for weeks been discussing a retreat from Bakhmut, bleeding the russians, so on and so on. So an orderly retreat from Bakhmut doesnt seem that disastrous PR wise.
And as it has been proven that US/Western intelligence plays a big part in the Ukranian strategy, i have a hard time seeing that the west would recommend staying in Bakhmut if it was a meatgrinder and leaning towards absolute encirclement, its just not the western doctrine. So whats really going on seems like a mystery, i have no idea.

Your big mistake is assuming the west thinks ukraine can militarily defeat russia. It doesnt. The purpose of the support for ukraine isnt to allow ukraine to win, but to humiliate russia and kill russians in the belief that this will result in regime change in moscow.

Ukrainian casualties are irrelevant to NATO.

 

[Fait Accompli]

Your big mistake is assuming the west thinks ukraine can militarily defeat russia. It doesnt. The purpose of the support for ukraine isnt to allow ukraine to win, but to humiliate russia and kill russians in the belief that this will result in regime change in moscow.

Ukrainian casualties are irrelevant to NATO.

Your big mistake is speaking in definite terms, i dont believe that Ukraine can totally military defeat Russia by marching into Moscow. Russia can be defeated without them being totally military defeated.

Also, why not both? I think that the west is geopolitcally using this to weaken Russia and remove them as a threat, allowing them to focus on other theaters. But this ties into Ukraine winning and recovering its territories, if they only wanted to bleed Russia and weaken them they already did that several months ago, they wouldnt give offensive weapons and instead focus on defensive ones, keeping the Ukrainian state and military alive and cause Russia as many casualties as possible

Sure, i dont think NATO high command cares that much about Ukrainian casualties, but they care about the strategic theater. Allowing a substanial number of Ukrainian military asssets be surrounded without any clear benefit is clearly incredibly stupid strategically. Thats why i think that they have some sort of plan for Bakhmut, or that Zelensky simply disregarded their advice

 

[PrimeRadiant]

Your big mistake is speaking in definite terms, i dont believe that Ukraine can totally military defeat Russia by marching into Moscow. Russia can be defeated without them being military defeated.

Also, why not both? I think that the west is geopolitcally using this to weaken Russia and remove them as a threat, allowing them to focus on other theaters. But this ties into Ukraine winning and recovering its territories, if they only wanted to bleed Russia and weaken them they already did that several months ago, they wouldnt give offensive weapons and instead focus on defensive ones, keeping the Ukrainian state and military alive and cause Russia as many casualties as possible

What 'defensive' weapons are you talking about?

You arent factoring in the humiliation angle. Humiliating and provoking Russia is one of the big objectives, and having Ukraine lob missiles into russia or using all thier NATO gibs to launch a pointless YOLO offensive that holds onto belgorod for 20 mins is just the sort of thing they would do.

Sure, i dont think NATO high command cares that much about Ukrainian casualties, but they care about the strategic theater. Allowing a substanial number of Ukrainian military asssets be surrounded without any clear benefit is clearly incredibly stupid strategically. Thats why i think that they have some sort of plan for Bakhmut, or that Zelensky simply disregarded their advice

You are probably correct.

 

[Fait Accompli]

What 'defensive' weapons are you talking about?

You arent factoring in the humiliation angle. Humiliating and provoking Russia is one of the big objectives, and having Ukraine lob missiles into russia or using all thier NATO gibs to launch a pointless YOLO offensive that holds onto belgorod for 20 mins is just the sort of thing they would do.

Munitions, HIMARS, artillery, AT weapons, etc etc. Basically everything that isnt large scale modern platforms is defensive. Tanks, heavy vehicles, long range missiles, ships, aircraft.

I am, by supplying Ukraine with mostly defensive weapons and economical aid, they have already humiliated Russia and drained them of a substanial part of their offensive power. Giving Ukraine the supplies and go ahead to launch a yolo offensive into Russia itself isnt something NATO would do. From what i can tell, the wests objective is to supply Ukraine with enough power to resist Russian offensives and reclaim occupied territories and trying to ecomically sanction Russia into the ground. The future will tell if this is successful

 

[870EVO]

From what i can tell, the wests objective is to supply Ukraine with enough power to resist Russian offensives and reclaim occupied territories and trying to ecomically sanction Russia into the ground. The future will tell if this is successful

From common sense and some of the pundits I've watched. They did too little too late. Many of the supplies are either outdated, poorly armored, will take time to train on, or take time to deliver, and if they are grabbing the elderly and the young, they don't even have the manpower either.

Russia militarily right now isn't 1960's Russia. But I guess the US administration didn't think Putin had the balls to retaliate from years of shelling near the border. Putin probably caught them offguard. And they thought they could simply sanction Russia into surrender. Blast the media with anti Russia slogans, tell people to throw out their vodka.

But Putin had already developed SPFS and had BRICS ready for such an occurance.

Privately, world leaders probably think this is a sign of a waning US empire.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Your big mistake is speaking in definite terms, i dont believe that Ukraine can totally military defeat Russia by marching into Moscow. Russia can be defeated without them being military defeated.

Also, why not both? I think that the west is geopolitcally using this to weaken Russia and remove them as a threat

This begs the question "why"? Why is Russia such a threat to the West? Is it because its a threat to the Unipolar world order? If so, why? Why does the West believe unintended consequences, aka blowback, won't happen just because? Sanctions didn't work, Russia isn't running out of missiles and drones or soldiers and instead, the West is being degraded and destabilized, not Russia.

The West is losing, not making gains. At some point the West has to cut their losses if it wants to stay relevant.

 

[🇷🇺Fuck Ukraine🇷🇺]

More proof the sanctions have done anything to Russia.

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The Russian finance ministry predicted a 1% drop turns out it's not that bad.

The IMF has predicted actual economic growth for the Russian economy this year.

Also, it seems that the 300 billion in assets they're (the west) currently trying to steal and thieve is more like 36 billion only. That'll be why they've changes gears to steal from private citizens.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

Giving Ukraine the supplies and go ahead to launch a yolo offensive into Russia itself isnt something NATO would do.

NATO and Ukraine aren't interested in just win the war bro. This will not work with Moskva - they will don't get that they get fucked up just because frontline was pushed to certain point.

Look about history of USSR - they didn't get that Cold War is going badly (and in last few years it was extreme badly for them) until USSR fall apart.

You are true on part about humilitation - this IS a object of this whole war and strange strategy of NATO. The second one is to destroy as much assets of Putin as possible.

I mean, the aims are:

- to rip them from their financial assets on west,
- to destroy supply chains between EU and Union State (also: to reshape supply chains to EU for avoiding any contact with Union State members),
- to smash down as many post-soviet weapons as possible,
- to kill as many russian soldiers as possible.

NATO is interested in this for obvious reasons. Ukraine is interested in this just to not have next war in few years (see above: Moskva will not accept reality when they lost wars. Only way to have peace with them is to make them to weak to be a threat).

We didn't have any certain numbers about how many KIA, WIA and MIA have both sides of current war - so we cannot know if Ukraine is doig a good bussiness, but when they have only two options:

- get killed in genocide after capitulation;
- fight and maybye not be killed in combat;

they probably will do better when they fight.

Why is Russia such a threat to the West?

Ask Pieskov why they still attacking West in their statements.

The West is losing ,not making gains

You mean few old tanks are a huuuge cost for West or what? Slighty higher prices are losing? From when?

"Harm on West" is a myth. I was told that we will freeze in Berlin, and guess what - nothing happened.

More proof the sanctions have done anything to Russia.

Yes, and thats why russia defaulted on their foreign debt in June.

 

[Rubick]

Yes, and thats why russia defaulted on their foreign debt in June.

They didn´t. West didn´t want to except any other currency besides the dollar which the west blocked Russian from using basically. Isn't Russia´s problem. Russia wanted to pay west didn´t want to get paid. All it did was fuck the creditors.


EU economy is going down the shitter and this year it will be even worse. You got to be utterly blind or stupid to not see the price rise of food and general goods. Never mind the electric and gas bills. Lets not forget some of the biggest EU multinationals close to going belly up. And a growing housing bubble

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

Yes, and thats why russia defaulted on their foreign debt in June.

Russia defaulted on foreign debt because a shit-ton of money that Russia had outside of Russia was seized, Russia was cut off from SWIFT, couldn't get dollars, and then somehow expected to be able to pay regardless of those factors.

- get killed in genocide after capitulation;

Yeah we all know how genocidal Russia is with it's enemies. Remember how Chechnya doesn't exist anymore? They all got genocided! Same with the Georgians.

 

[🇷🇺Fuck Ukraine🇷🇺]

Yes, and thats why russia defaulted on their foreign debt in June.

You mean instead of raising the debt ceiling and borrowing more money like the USA does so it can avoid defaulting....