Microsoft is fucking butthurt no one wants Windows 11 so they're stopping the sale of Windows 10 licenses this month

[seri0us]

So today, I decided to look up whether or not Vegas Pro works on Linux, and... Well, you know exactly how this is gonna go. https://old.reddit.com/r/winehq/comments/p5kjrg/sony_vegas_pro_on_linux/

• OP posts a complex error log
• top reply: "Check out this alternative"
• OP replies "I tried another alternative and it just didn't feel the same, plus I use these plugins"
• someone replies to that with another alternative
• OP: "It was confusing on Windows and I couldn't even install it on Linux"

• Another guy replies: "Yeah, Vegas doesn't like Wine. Try these alternatives that were already posted"

• Another one: "Try using these forks of wine"
• OP: "I've tried three of them, no dice. I don't want to dualboot, and learning a new program messes with my muscle memory"
• (no replies)

• A latecomer shows up: "Hey, did you manage to find a solution for this?"
• OP: "Nope, I had a lot of errors in Pop OS that I had to switch to Windows again"

Just picture perfect.

People tend to feel hurt when they try turning Linux into Windows.

 

[TheBigZee]

It's cute how people mistake "it natively runs the programs I need to use using the hardware I have" with "I prefer it".

Yeah, you don't have a choice. That doesn't have anything to do with Linux. When MS gets around to charging you $3.00/month for enhanced right clicking, you'll pay it.

 

[Matt Damon]

Yeah, you don't have a choice. That doesn't have anything to do with Linux. When MS gets around to charging you $3.00/month for enhanced right clicking, you'll pay it.

I haven't given Microsoft a dime in 20 years, bro. The last legit license I used was a pre-built running XP.

 

[TheBigZee]

I haven't given Microsoft a dime in 20 years, bro. The last legit license I used was a pre-built running XP.

So you're running cracked or did you buy a grey market key?

 

[Matt Damon]

So you're running cracked or did you buy a grey market key?

 

[Aidan]

So what do you define as a "normal" person when it comes to computer usage then?Not only with the previously mentioned roughly 90% market share of desktop/laptop Windows or Apple based operating systems....
85% of all photo editing software is designed specifically to operate on Windows or Apple.
Microsoft Office/365 has an over 80% worldwide market share.
Over 80% of the video editing and special effects/cgi software used today is either made by Apple, Techsmith, or Adobe.
..... and none of these run natively on most Linux distros, or without some sort of VM or FOSS workaround that isn't practical for most people. So tell me, Ive been waiting for 15+ years now, so when is this mythical "Year of the Linux Desktop" actually gonna happen?

This point doesn't make sense, just because most of a certain type of software is made to run on a certain OS doesn't mean most users of that OS use that software. It means most users of that software use that OS.
To answer your question, by "normal person" I mean the average computer user. You think most people have the Adobe suite on their laptop? CAD software? Even ... Steam? They don't. Most people don't even use Discord, they chat almost exclusively on their phones and in the browser via social media. "Programs" are all "apps" to them.

Dude, if you goto your grandparents house with a scheme to coerce them into using any kind of linux they are not going to spend their day on youtube edifying themselves and surreptitiously reading the linux journal as they progress into full blown kernel zealots with hundreds of USB thumb drives strewn about the home.

They are going to wonder where they went wrong and try their best to Bob Chandler themselves into pretending you are just autistic and not autistically gay.

Conflicting bouts of shame set into their thoughts and even regrets about the way they raised their own child who raised you. Where did it all go wrong? Grandpa used to kill nazis and here you are babbling about 'systemd' whatever that is. Did you even read the bible? Now they also have to experience the guilt of having to blame their child for making you the way you are. Why can't you just be normal and view things as a normal person would? Grandma knows you are probably trying on her underwear while they are in Florida for half the year but she isn't going to say anything because she can't hold back the vomit when she thinks about you.

If you care about them at all, just take them to Best Buy and get them a mac is what I'm trying to say here.

My gramgram isn't theoretical and uses Windows last I checked. I've never even mentioned Linux to her. If she came at me griping about it not working and how she just wants to check her email, then I might show her a fresh install of Linux on one of my laptops and go from there but that seems unlikely at this point.

So today, I decided to look up whether or not Vegas Pro works on Linux, and... Well, you know exactly how this is gonna go. https://old.reddit.com/r/winehq/comments/p5kjrg/sony_vegas_pro_on_linux/

• OP posts a complex error log
• top reply: "Check out this alternative"
• OP replies "I tried another alternative and it just didn't feel the same, plus I use these plugins"
• someone replies to that with another alternative
• OP: "It was confusing on Windows and I couldn't even install it on Linux"

• Another guy replies: "Yeah, Vegas doesn't like Wine. Try these alternatives that were already posted"

• Another one: "Try using these forks of wine"
• OP: "I've tried three of them, no dice. I don't want to dualboot, and learning a new program messes with my muscle memory"
• (no replies)

• A latecomer shows up: "Hey, did you manage to find a solution for this?"
• OP: "Nope, I had a lot of errors in Pop OS that I had to switch to Windows again"

Just picture perfect.

This is the worst part about the Linux experience. The people.
Anyway, OP should just use DaVinci Resolve and get with the times.

I haven't given Microsoft a dime in 20 years, bro. The last legit license I used was a pre-built running XP.

I think Microsoft has decided they don't really care about pirates at this point since they still get the data and most of their money comes from the enterprise side anyway.

 

[Matt Damon]

People tend to feel hurt when they try turning Linux into Windows.

It's sure interesting how half the Linux people in this thread say "everyone should switch to Linux - you can still run all your Windows program no problem, bro" and then when it doesn't work the other half say "lol only idiot n00bs would try to run their Windows programs in Linux."

This is the worst part about the Linux experience. The people.

I couldn't agree more.

I think Microsoft has decided they don't really care about pirates at this point since they still get the data and most of their money comes from the enterprise side anyway.

Could be. I didn't start using 10 until there were ways to kill the telemetry good and dead though.

 

[White Devil]

Update on my Manjaro adventure:

Ended up getting a older Lenovo Thinkpad for the small price of free. It was running Windows 10 Home, which I played around in and it was pretty sluggish. Downloaded Manjaro / KDE Plasma onto a thumbdrive, installed it, deleted my Windows partition etc.

Not only is this old as shit laptop running blazing fast but it kept all the drivers for the haptic pad, wifi adapter, mouse, bluetooth, battery meter, etc. This was a real surprise as the last time I fucked around with Linux (Mint) on a laptop, I couldn't get any of that working out of the box and the battery meter was especially a pain in the ass. Manjaro's GUI isn't that much different, I can still drag and drop shit onto the taskbar, just have to get used to using sudo again and shit.

Overall I'm satisfied and since this thing has more horsepower than the Chromebook I was originally going to get, I might try some light gaming with GOG or Steam. I think for just a casual machine for web surfing and watching dumb bullshit, this will work fine and I won't have to worry about whatever bullshit Microsoft telemetry.


EDIT: Just for transparency, I got Brave, Signal, and ProtonVPN installed and running fine on this thing. Brave was actually already in the repository.

 

[byuu]

I think Microsoft has decided they don't really care about pirates at this point since they still get the data and most of their money comes from the enterprise side anyway.

For home users they make their money with OEM licenses.

No one goes out and buys some boxed version of Windows.
Most people wouldn't even be able to install it themselves and hunt down all the drivers they need.

 

[Aidan]

Update on my Manjaro adventure:

Ended up getting a older Lenovo Thinkpad for the small price of free. It was running Windows 10 Home, which I played around in and it was pretty sluggish. Downloaded Manjaro / KDE Plasma onto a thumbdrive, installed it, deleted my Windows partition etc.

Not only is this old as shit laptop running blazing fast but it kept all the drivers for the haptic pad, wifi adapter, mouse, bluetooth, battery meter, etc. This was a real surprise as the last time I fucked around with Linux (Mint) on a laptop, I couldn't get any of that working out of the box and the battery meter was especially a pain in the ass. Manjaro's GUI isn't that much different, I can still drag and drop shit onto the taskbar, just have to get used to using sudo again and shit.

Overall I'm satisfied and since this thing has more horsepower than the Chromebook I was originally going to get, I might try some light gaming with GOG or Steam. I think for just a casual machine for web surfing and watching dumb bullshit, this will work fine and I won't have to worry about whatever bullshit Microsoft telemetry.


EDIT: Just for transparency, I got Brave, Signal, and ProtonVPN installed and running fine on this thing. Brave was actually already in the repository.

You can improve the battery life by installing TLP.

 

[Cloacan]

Don't fall for the meme, son. What you want to do is get an old Chrmebook and put Windows 11 on it. It's the most secure version of Windows to date. Unlike Linux, it's made by a corporate entity that stands behind its product.

Any firm with a CEO is suspect. Unless you've got an autistically idealistic jew as your champion, I wouldn't even have sex with your mother.

The popular Windows user-friendly distros don't try to emulate Windows, they try to provide a familiar interface and design that makes it easier for someone only familiar with Windows to make the switch.

This is why it is weird that Microsoft seems to be trying very hard ever since Windows 8 to get away from what has worked for them for decades. I mentioned it previously but I know an old lady that complained about Windows 11 and decided to just use an old Windows 7 computer that she's had for years because she can't figure 11 out. Microsoft is alienating people like her who have used Windows since Windows was a thing.

I upgraded one guy's computer to Windows 10 from Windows Vista many years back. He was befuddled, and even embarrassed that he couldn't work it like he used to. That a stupid mistake I'd not do again - I can't he's dead! He's died a horrible cancerous death cursing Windows 10 the entire time, but at least he won't have to experience Windows 11. Sometimes dead is better.

Like Google, Microsoft wants to be Apple-like, without emulating their best and only good feature: consistency in user interface design. The GUI on an Iphone looks just as retarded and awful today as it did a decade ago, and that's a good thing - for users.

MS hit the sweet spot with Windows 10. All they had to do was finish the damn thing.

Oh yes, why would ANYONE think that Windows users are the average, or the exception to your little rule of what "normal" people do with laptops?! What with only roughly 3/4 of the personal computer home market?!View attachment 4504729
And heres the sauce. And before you get autistic with the "desktop" gotcha.... that data factors in both desktop and laptop numbers for their statistics. If you want to look at mobile and tablet data, then the balance falls towards IOS and Android. Which as I and others have pointed out, Apple hands down has the seamless integration of all of their devices down to an art form. And if you're one of the people who will sperg over Android being a jacked and proprietary Linux distro for the sake of argument, you're even proving the point further. Tweaked Linux distros are great for lightweight computing devices, because they can be designed to do one thing, and do it well. The sub-$200 tablet and "netbook" market is chock full of those things, but you won't see them do anything remotely labor intensive as far as system demands go.

They give it away for free and still no one wants it.

 

[TheBigZee]

I think Microsoft has decided they don't really care about pirates at this point since they still get the data and most of their money comes from the enterprise side anyway.

They care. They decided to stop breaking pirated copies of windows via updates because those computers became literal plague monkeys that caused issues wherever they connected to a network.

Microsoft knows if you upgraded a pirated copy to Windows 10 (and then Windows 11) - they tagged the digital license. They also know if you did the install/re-install trick with unactivated Windows. They don't consider those keys genuine, and they consider the installs unlicensed. If they decided the money was worth the security risk to licensees, they can get it.

 

[Never Scored]

They care. They decided to stop breaking pirated copies of windows via updates because those computers became literal plague monkeys that caused issues wherever they connected to a network.

Microsoft knows if you upgraded a pirated copy to Windows 10 (and then Windows 11) - they tagged the digital license. They also know if you did the install/re-install trick with unactivated Windows. They don't consider those keys genuine, and they consider the installs unlicensed. If they decided the money was worth the security risk to licensees, they can get it.

No they really don't. They just want to sell their cloud apps now. You make way more off someone being subscribed to Teams and Office 365 than you do selling them a Windows License.

Look here. Windows, Xbox, news advertising, search and Surface devices combined are only around a third of their business these days. Windows itself is only a fraction of a third of their business. Like, I'm sure it still makes money, but it's not nearly as important to them as it was 20 years ago. That's why they're trying to push everyone toward online accounts to log into Windows and sell everyone One Drive.

 

[TheBigZee]

No they really don't. They just want to sell their cloud apps now. You make way more off someone being subscribed to Teams and Office 365 than you do selling them a Windows License.

Has Microsoft ever stated that? I started seeing that as speculation when they said they'd allow pirated copies of 10 to upgrade. That might have been part of the reason, but it wasn't the only reason - how many windows pirates buy SaaS services?

The only statement from Microsoft I've ever seen about not being proactive in fucking over pirates was herd immunity, and it was decades ago.

Edit: and SaaS still comes back to anticompetitive/monopolistic market abuse. IMO it had more to do with protecting lock-in by disincentivizing Linux Kylin in the PRC.

 

[Pee Cola]

Anyway, OP should just use DaVinci Resolve and get with the times.

Good lord. DaVinci Resolve users are a bunch of obnoxious faggots as it is. Do you really want to add Linux into that mix?

 

[The Ugly One]

When Microsoft finally forces everyone off desktop-native Office, I'm not switching to Linux. I'm going to swallow cyanide.

 

[Never Scored]

Has Microsoft ever stated that?

They don't need to. They show it through their actions. At one point they were claiming Windows 10 was the last version of Windows and once you bought it you had it forever. Now they have Windows 11 and they're offering it for free to everyone who has a computer with Windows 10 with eligible hardware. Think about it logically, if they were pursuing selling Windows licenses as a business strategy, why would they be throwing out perpetual free licenses like candy?

The strategy is to give you the OS for free and sell you a subscription for the shit you need for work. I work in an office that uses the Microsoft ecosystem with just around 20 people and we spend close to $10,000 a year between email/cloud storage(exchange online, one drive) and productivity software subscriptions (Accounting software, teams, Autocad, office, etc). That's for an office with twenty people. Imagine how much an actual big corporation spends on this shit. That's how these companies make their money now.

 

[TheBigZee]

They don't need to. They show it through their actions. At one point they were claiming Windows 10 is the last version of Windows and once you bought it you had it forever. Now they have Windows 11 and they're offering it for free to everyone who has a computer with eligible hardware. Think about it logically, if they were pursuing selling Windows licenses as a business strategy, why would they be throwing out perpetual free licenses like candy?

About 40-50% of prebuilt computers in China were shipping with Kylin, and the PRC was planning on investing more into the project when windows 10 was announced. The lack of regional pricing (and the dependence on a US corporation) was an area of deep concern for the communist party. A government backed OS with a billion potential users and a robust compatibility layer threatened the foundation of their business model, monopoly. They did the same thing whith the sub $200 segment when OEMs started selling alternatives to Windows so they could compete on price - Microsoft reduced the license cost to nothing, and gave a rebate if you made sure their cloud services were included - anticompetitive bundling.

Microsoft views their Windows income as stemming from hardware replacement now, not major version releases. The covid purchase surge fucked up their cash flow preictions (and was going to wreck the OEMs in a year or two). The hardware requirements were calculated to obsolete just enough hardware.

The strategy is to give you the OS for free and sell you a subscription for the shit you need for work. I work in an office that uses the Microsoft ecosystem with just around 20 people and we spend close to $10,000 a year between email/cloud storage(exchange online, one drive) and productivity software subscriptions (Accounting software, teams, Autocad, office, etc) That's how these companies make their money now.

Except they don't give it to you for free. We know very little about the current licensing agreements with the major OEMs. The fee structure is suspected to be based on how soon the consumer will need to replace the device. The lowest tier pricing for OEM licensing required minimal, non upgradeable storage. 16/32gb EMMC ensured rapid obsolescence.

Microsoft is walking a tightrope trying to maintain lock-in, and they're willing (for now) to accept lower revenue from the windows division to do it. Currently they more than make up for it through bundling. There are rumblings of significant interest in trust busting in washington and the EU. Might change things.

 

[Kalsarikännit]

Of course you'll say that you can't and using Proton, WINE or a virtual machine will make you go bald from yanking your hair out even though that's exactly what Mac users do in those cases.

This part is amusing for me as a Mac and Linux user. I was able to get a lot of stuff running on my Mac using WINE a decade ago, as a retarded teenager. Yes it’s a bit of a hassle, but so is ungaying win10/11.

I agree with what you’ve posted, especially the bits about the change for normal users not being such a big one.

As for the really odd argument Matt Damon keeps bringing up: Yes, applications not being written for Linux is a problem with the developers of those applications, not Linux. Do you hold it against Sony that the PS5 can’t play Super Mario Odyssey? If that’s what you want to play, then get a switch. But that’s not an inherent flaw of the PS5.

I can’t find the market share chart to reply to, but 2.91% of the market is more than Linux has had historically. IIRC in 2018 it was ~0.6%

 

[SaltyFanta]

I will not download Windows 11, I will not live in the pod, I will not eat ze bugs.

Jokes aside, I'm sick of Microsoft, I'm sick of Windows. Ubuntu isn't as bad as the last time I used it, I'm considering moving over for my main PC. The software I use is Linux compatible, my concern is just my games. Tech's really concerning me since the whole Cloudflare stuff, so much of tech is pretty much locked into a duopoly. Do I use Mac or Windows? Steam or Epic? Visa or Mastercard? I'm gonna cling to Win10 for as long as I can.