Microsoft is fucking butthurt no one wants Windows 11 so they're stopping the sale of Windows 10 licenses this month

[Aidan]

If you think Teams and Office constitute a highly uncommon, exceptional use case for laptops, I'm starting to doubt that you have ever actually ever seen someone using a laptop.

1. I never said this
2. You didn't read the whole post

There are lots of high-quality commercial applications on Mac, like Photoshop and Office. And from my experience, OSX compatibility with Apple hardware is not particularly troublesome.

A computer is more than the programs it runs and Macs have a very different user experience which can't be discounted as it was previously covered in the thread that if you leave Windows you have to get used to how different things are. That said, a lot of Windows-only software isn't available on Macs and this became truer with the shift to ARM. People don't go without, they virtualize it, but virtualizing in Linux as a solution was covered already.

Nah, Linux is great for old computers. All you have to do is throw it away, buy a whole new computer that uses only specific Linux-compatible hardware, and then never use it to open anything but a browser.

It's such a versatile operating system!

You have a habit of hyperbole when it comes to Linux issues. People doing plenty of work on Linux is a come and gone topic in this thread but was effectively ignored because it's boring since you can pretty much do all of the same stuff with some notable exceptions which will usually amount to something Windows-only that requires GPU access. Of course you'll say that you can't and using Proton, WINE or a virtual machine will make you go bald from yanking your hair out even though that's exactly what Mac users do in those cases.

 

[Matt Damon]

You have a habit of hyperbole when it comes to Linux issues.

Believe me, it's entirely intentional and done to highlight the absurdity of your (and others) increasingly bizarre Linux apologetics.

Linux is a lot like communism: if it didn't work, it wasn't real Linux. Nothing is ever actually a problem with Linux - the user always just did it wrong or had the wrong use case or the wrong hardware. Even when those rationalizations undercut all the most commonly-cited reasons for switching from Windows to Linux, it's still not a problem because the true, pure, platonic ideal of Linux shines through.

 

[Aidan]

Believe me, it's entirely intentional and done to highlight the absurdity of your (and others) increasingly bizarre Linux apologetics.

Linux is a lot like communism: if it didn't work, it wasn't real Linux. Nothing is ever actually a problem with Linux - the user always just did it wrong or had the wrong use case or the wrong hardware. Even when those rationalizations undercut all the most commonly-cited reasons for switching from Windows to Linux, it's still not a problem because the true, pure, platonic ideal of Linux shines through.

Alright but it never makes any sense. If Linux was so terrible you wouldn't need to do that.
A Windows user wouldn't even entertain switching if they weren't dissatisfied in some way, yet at the same time it has proven blasphemous to recommend looking into a free alternative.

 

[Matt Damon]

A Windows user wouldn't even entertain switching if they weren't dissatisfied in some way

All Windows users are dissatisfied in many ways. That's not a secret and nobody is denying it. Again, any Windows user will cheerfully tell you that he hopes Bill Gates is raped by the devil in a pit of brimstone for all eternity.

yet at the same time it has proven blasphemous to recommend looking into a free alternative.

It's not blasphemous - it's that it's an even worse alternative for a huge number of Windows users. I hate Microsoft and Windows and I will still use it over Linux because at least Windows can do the stuff I want it to while it's being a piece of shit. With Linux, I'd have to do far more work and deal with far more bullshit to (if I'm extremely lucky) achieve something vaguely approximating functional parity with Windows.

Windows is a shitty car but Linux is a shitty car that's not road-legal.

 

[The Ugly One]

I just want to let all you niggerfaggots know this is what my first work computer's desktop looked like.

 

[Aidan]

All Windows users are dissatisfied in many ways. That's not a secret and nobody is denying it. Again, any Windows user will cheerfully tell you that he hopes Bill Gates is raped by the devil in a pit of brimstone for all eternity.

Abusive relationship, it's really sad.

It's not blasphemous - it's that it's an even worse alternative for a huge number of Windows users. I hate Microsoft and Windows and I will still use it over Linux because at least Windows can do the stuff I want it to while it's being a piece of shit. With Linux, I'd have to do far more work and deal with far more bullshit to (if I'm extremely lucky) achieve something vaguely approximating functional parity with Windows.

Windows is a shitty car but Linux is a shitty car that's not road-legal.

Full circle at this point. At this point it boils down to personal views which I suppose all Windows/Linux shitflingings do.

To state my views...
I believe that with the right distros, Linux is accessible enough such that most users, who are tech illiterate, can use it fine and it would meet their needs. We will likely never be able to test this because Linux isn't going to be sold in big box stores anytime soon and if it is it will be something moronic like Ubuntu with GNOME that tries to be special instead of making it easy for Windows users to transition to.
For more technical Windows users who are restricted by the software they use, I believe if they really wanted to leave Windows then they could do that so long as they're willing to learn how to set up a virtual machine. Whether it's worth it or not is up to them.

With that said, I don't proselytize or care about The Year of the Linux Desktop (which is 2023), I just think most people would benefit from it if they did seriously attempt to switch.

 

[Carl Smallwang]

I love when tech companies want to eliminate choice from the consumer. Welcome to the future.

Yeah. But only complete faggots use linux.

 

[Matt Damon]

For more technical Windows users who are restricted by the software they use, I believe if they really wanted to leave Windows then they could do that so long as they're willing to learn how to set up a virtual machine.

If you can show me how to run ASIO in a Windows VM, reliably connect it somehow to JACK in Linux, and end up with acceptable levels of audio latency at the end, I'd very much appreciate it. That would solve an enormous number of problems, even ones totally unrelated to Linux.

But that's really not any more feasible than, say, running high-end games in a VM.

 

[Aidan]

If you can show me how to run ASIO in a Windows VM, reliably connect it somehow to JACK in Linux, and end up with acceptable levels of audio latency at the end, I'd very much appreciate it. That would solve an enormous number of problems, even ones totally unrelated to Linux.

I'm not an audiophile so have no clue how feasible it is. I can take a look but not expecting much, I'm sure this path is well trodden and you've been down it.

But that's really not any more feasible than, say, running high-end games in a VM.

People do this, Mutahar is likely the most notable person that does but it's pretty niche I think. I don't normally watch him so am not sure which of his videos is best for figuring out his build but here's one. I know he plays R6 Siege a lot (or used to) and needed to do this to get around the anticheat which doesn't work on Linux.

You surely can do sound card passthrough to achieve something similar, I don't know enough to say how it'd impact latency, if at all. And then of course you're still using Windows at the end of the day. If you don't care about gpu passthrough, this may be a solid method but if you want gpu passthrough you'd probably want a gpu for the VM and one for the host if you're going to be leaving Windows up to take advantage of the sound card and relevant audio software while being ok with using Linux for non-Windows things.

 

[Smar Mijou]

My point was never that Windows won't be what you see in a public space, calm down. I guess it wasn't clear that I was reiterating that normal people don't use all of this specific software keeping people locked into Windows in particular.

So what do you define as a "normal" person when it comes to computer usage then?Not only with the previously mentioned roughly 90% market share of desktop/laptop Windows or Apple based operating systems....
85% of all photo editing software is designed specifically to operate on Windows or Apple.
Microsoft Office/365 has an over 80% worldwide market share.
Over 80% of the video editing and special effects/cgi software used today is either made by Apple, Techsmith, or Adobe.
..... and none of these run natively on most Linux distros, or without some sort of VM or FOSS workaround that isn't practical for most people. So tell me, Ive been waiting for 15+ years now, so when is this mythical "Year of the Linux Desktop" actually gonna happen?

 

[Never Scored]

If you think Teams and Office constitute a highly uncommon, exceptional use case for laptops, I'm starting to doubt that you have ever actually ever seen someone using a laptop.

Full versions Teams and Office both run in browsers nowadays. They are not as snappy or responsive as the desktop versions yet, but Microsoft themselves are clearly pushing things in that direction. Most home users already only use a browser the majority of the time. Within a decade most business users will only use a browser the majority of the time. This argument doesn't even have anything to with Linux vs Windows. It's where big tech compaines are pushing things. In the future, you'll click the Word icon in the taskbar in Windows and instead of opening a local application, it will take you the the Word app on the 365 website.

 

[byuu]

Oh yes, why would ANYONE think that Windows users are the average, or the exception to your little rule of what "normal" people do with laptops?! What with only roughly 3/4 of the personal computer home market?!View attachment 4504729
And heres the sauce. And before you get autistic with the "desktop" gotcha.... that data factors in both desktop and laptop numbers for their statistics. If you want to look at mobile and tablet data, then the balance falls towards IOS and Android. Which as I and others have pointed out, Apple hands down has the seamless integration of all of their devices down to an art form. And if you're one of the people who will sperg over Android being a jacked and proprietary Linux distro for the sake of argument, you're even proving the point further. Tweaked Linux distros are great for lightweight computing devices, because they can be designed to do one thing, and do it well. The sub-$200 tablet and "netbook" market is chock full of those things, but you won't see them do anything remotely labor intensive as far as system demands go.

You act like people make some conscious choice to use Windows.
Normies don't care. They go to a store and pick the laptop that's prettiest and use whatever it came preinstalled with.

 

[Desu Mountain]

Alright but it never makes any sense. If Linux was so terrible you wouldn't need to do that.
A Windows user wouldn't even entertain switching if they weren't dissatisfied in some way, yet at the same time it has proven blasphemous to recommend looking into a free alternative.

See, you're missing an important detail. We keep switching back to Windows. Because in the end we realize we tried switching from something bad to something worse.

 

[SilentDuck]

A cop out with theoretical gramgram. You can try it before installing anything and know pretty quickly if it's going to work properly or not. You can also show theoretical gramgram where the buttons are to do the usual stuff and let her do a test drive before committing.
I'm not going to keep doing a back and forth about this "what if everything doesn't go perfectly right!!!" scenario, you could say "what if grandma doesn't ever close her laptop?" because a lot of old people don't, it's effectively a desktop.

Linux is just another option for theoretical gramgram if she's fed up with Windows and her caring grandson may want to try to help her out by introducing her to these other options. Mac is on the table too but costs a bit more. She can try it in the store.

Dude, if you goto your grandparents house with a scheme to coerce them into using any kind of linux they are not going to spend their day on youtube edifying themselves and surreptitiously reading the linux journal as they progress into full blown kernel zealots with hundreds of USB thumb drives strewn about the home.

They are going to wonder where they went wrong and try their best to Bob Chandler themselves into pretending you are just autistic and not autistically gay.

Conflicting bouts of shame set into their thoughts and even regrets about the way they raised their own child who raised you. Where did it all go wrong? Grandpa used to kill nazis and here you are babbling about 'systemd' whatever that is. Did you even read the bible? Now they also have to experience the guilt of having to blame their child for making you the way you are. Why can't you just be normal and view things as a normal person would? Grandma knows you are probably trying on her underwear while they are in Florida for half the year but she isn't going to say anything because she can't hold back the vomit when she thinks about you.

If you care about them at all, just take them to Best Buy and get them a mac is what I'm trying to say here.

 

[Smar Mijou]

You act like people make some conscious choice to use Windows.
Normies don't care. They go to a store and pick the laptop that's prettiest and use whatever it came preinstalled with.

Actually, I agree with your statement for the most part. Go to any Best Buy, Walmart, or similar Big Box store. They're generally laid out and simplified for tech novices. Especially Walmart, they even have signs put up with simple explanations for the purpose of each classification of computer that they offer. And almost without exception the low end Celeron/ARM CPU Netbook stuff uses either ChromeOS or the locked down Windows S mode. Maybe occasionally some sort of Android version. Everything else tends to be Windows or occasionally Chrome OS. Generally the only people who actively seek out and care about what they're buying based on brand/OS are the Apple fanbois. They're a walled garden, but with enough cross compatibility and enough industrywide adoption to make it worthwhile. You know what practically nobody looks for and nobody offers off the shelf in the PC market? A ready to go example with a fucking Linix distro.

To simplify it for the tards, a common PC/Windows setup is like a gas powered vehicle. You can refuel it anywhere, tires, oil, and spare parts are relatively cheap and common. Meanwhile Apple products are like a Tesla. More expensive, flashy with less substance, more proprietary hardware, less parts availability and harder to refuel, but in the end it serves the same function. And Linux would be like a normal gas vehicle.... except it's equipped with a Unimog 3 lever 24 speed transmission.... and parts are only available through gray market imports.... and it will only ride on proprietary metric TRX tires for some reason that are consistently advertised as better than the tires offered on every other vehicle in the world.

 

[TheBigZee]

It's cute how people mistake 30 years of monopoly abuse for consumer preference/choice. How many of you guys are paying for the premium solitaire subscription?

 

[Pissmaster]

See, you're missing an important detail. We keep switching back to Windows. Because in the end we realize we tried switching from something bad to something worse.

We also know Windows is a sinking ship, and we will eventually have to migrate to Linux on our home computers in order to keep Satya Nadella from manually scanning each and every one of our hard drives for bobs & vagenes.

It's kind of funny how the Windows users ITT are more proficient with Linux than Linux users are with Windows. Hell, even I've worked with Linux enough to where I'm annoyed that Windows CMD requires "dir" and doesn't understand "ls". If I have to use Linux, I can get by, I just can't run my creative software, which is why I have a high-end computer to begin with. I'm not 15 anymore, I don't have the time to tinker with my computer anymore, I just want it to work well, which it does with Windows 10.

I only just left Windows 7 as my main OS behind in 2021 because it doesn't support NVMe drives at all. I'll move on from Windows 10 when I see some big compelling hardware reason to do so, and I'm sure the next big compelling reason will be some kind of retarded creepy clown world shit, like a mandatory mobile network receiver in the motherboard to ensure the computer can't ever truly go offline.

 

[Matt Damon]

It's cute how people mistake 30 years of monopoly abuse for consumer preference/choice.

It's cute how people mistake "it natively runs the programs I need to use using the hardware I have" with "I prefer it".

 

[Pissmaster]

So today, I decided to look up whether or not Vegas Pro works on Linux, and... Well, you know exactly how this is gonna go. https://old.reddit.com/r/winehq/comments/p5kjrg/sony_vegas_pro_on_linux/

• OP posts a complex error log
• top reply: "Check out this alternative"
• OP replies "I tried another alternative and it just didn't feel the same, plus I use these plugins"
• someone replies to that with another alternative
• OP: "It was confusing on Windows and I couldn't even install it on Linux"

• Another guy replies: "Yeah, Vegas doesn't like Wine. Try these alternatives that were already posted"

• Another one: "Try using these forks of wine"
• OP: "I've tried three of them, no dice. I don't want to dualboot, and learning a new program messes with my muscle memory"
• (no replies)

• A latecomer shows up: "Hey, did you manage to find a solution for this?"
• OP: "Nope, I had a lot of errors in Pop OS that I had to switch to Windows again"

Just picture perfect.

 

[Miller]

So today, I decided to look up whether or not Vegas Pro works on Linux, and... Well, you know exactly how this is gonna go. https://old.reddit.com/r/winehq/comments/p5kjrg/sony_vegas_pro_on_linux/

• OP posts a complex error log
• top reply: "Check out this alternative"
• OP replies "I tried another alternative and it just didn't feel the same, plus I use these plugins"
• someone replies to that with another alternative
• OP: "It was confusing on Windows and I couldn't even install it on Linux"

• Another guy replies: "Yeah, Vegas doesn't like Wine. Try these alternatives that were already posted"

• Another one: "Try using these forks of wine"
• OP: "I've tried three of them, no dice. I don't want to dualboot, and learning a new program messes with my muscle memory"
• (no replies)

• A latecomer shows up: "Hey, did you manage to find a solution for this?"
• OP: "Nope, I had a lot of errors in Pop OS that I had to switch to Windows again"

Just picture perfect.

Speaking of Vegas/MovieStudio, don't buy/get the latest versions, the company that acquired Vegas years ago is now using the name for their own video editing software.