Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers Association (SFWA) - Nerds protecting nonces

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Guess it's good to have never been a big sci fi nerd, I know how impactful Isaac Asimov was to the science fiction scene and was a mild fan of some of his work like Bicentennial Man, so knowing he regularly groped women is pretty disappointing. I couldn't imagine how disappointed I'd be if I were an actual fan of Arthur C. Clark only to learn today he was a pedo-tourist. Being a sci-fi rube is a bullet dodged, it seems.

 

[Tacgnol]

I do sorta respect Ellison's OLD MAN YELLS AT CLOUD styles, but if you stepped to him irl he wouldn't bring the thunder

Spoiler: my story

once up on a time at Convention it was me and my droogs, older one who was more knowledgeable about things like visually id-ing authors is over in Adjacent Room, we're in Dealer's Room
couple of them hooting and hollering over there, me and others over here
they come back towards me and are all "XYZpdq, some old guy was a jerk at us because we were loud in the dealer's room, go be a loud asshole at him"
I fire up the Rocky Horror engines and start in that way WHAT THE FUCK SOME OLD FUCKING ASSHOLE RETARD HAS A DAMN PROBLEM WITH MY FRIENDS BEING LOUD IF THE FUCKING DEALERS ROOM SHIT BLAH BLAH BLAH
I see old guy fleeing in a huff as I approach
a few minutes later Older One catches up with us and asks "what happened, I just saw Harlan Ellison stomping off into the other room all pissed off?"

You went to show the pythons to a decrepit, old hobbit? For convention friends?

This is embarrassing all around.

 

[Honeybadger v2]

Welp today I've learned some stuff about authors of books that I hold dear. And I can't unlearn it. Shit.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Is Finnegan's Wake that story about the guy who falls asleep inna woods and wakes up in the future?

Its a nonsensical confusing mess written by a drunk who loved his wife farting in bed.

Scholars have tried to decipher it for years to no avail. Its rumored that Sylvia Plath attempted to do a dissertation on it in college, only to get stressed out by the entire thing, causing her suicide attempt. She puts this in her novel The Bell Jar.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

OP should mention a bit about the back and forth between Patrick Tomlinson and the Obscura True Crime Podcast. IDK if anyone else from SFWA got involved though. Is Fatrick considered the SFWA attack dog? Very embarrassing.

https://twitter.com/obscuracrimepod/status/1601338424929456128

GRRM wrote a story to impress Ellison:

In Martin’s words, Meathouse Man is “the darkest, bleakest, sickest, most twisted thing I ever wrote.” It lives up to the description, too. The entire story is about a man who takes advantage of the zombie apocalypse to have sex with zombie bodies.

The darkest, bleakest, sickest, most twisted thing ever, but just a day ending in y in manga.

 

[BlankSpaceBaby]

The only people featured in OP I've ever heard about outside this thread are Arthur C. Clark and Harlan Ellison, did any of these pedos even write anything noteworthy?

Well, about Marian Zimmer Bradley, she's much hailed as one of the first and big female/feminist authors in the genre - those people conveniently overlooking the numerous female authors during the pulp era of fantasy and sci-fi, naturally. She, Andre Norton, and Julian May in fact did one of the first "gurl power/you slay kween" fantasy series with the Trillium series which IMO was the progenitor for the current cringe-fest that is the "YAAAS SLAY YOU POC MARY SUE KWEEEN" young adult fantasy genre today.

She did have a lovely, evocative way with words in her early stuff, I admit. Still, I'd read something by Margaret Weis any day over hers, because Weis entertains me while Bradley just wants me to gaze into her navel for over 300 pages.

 

[Chaos Theorist]

I do sorta respect Ellison's OLD MAN YELLS AT CLOUD styles, but if you stepped to him irl he wouldn't bring the thunder

Spoiler: my story

once up on a time at Convention it was me and my droogs, older one who was more knowledgeable about things like visually id-ing authors is over in Adjacent Room, we're in Dealer's Room
couple of them hooting and hollering over there, me and others over here
they come back towards me and are all "XYZpdq, some old guy was a jerk at us because we were loud in the dealer's room, go be a loud asshole at him"
I fire up the Rocky Horror engines and start in that way WHAT THE FUCK SOME OLD FUCKING ASSHOLE RETARD HAS A DAMN PROBLEM WITH MY FRIENDS BEING LOUD IF THE FUCKING DEALERS ROOM SHIT BLAH BLAH BLAH
I see old guy fleeing in a huff as I approach
a few minutes later Older One catches up with us and asks "what happened, I just saw Harlan Ellison stomping off into the other room all pissed off?"

Based working Ellison into a shoot brother

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

Ellison was just bitter about being a manlet.

 

[Game master arino]

Sci-fi writers tend to be either left wing jewish parasites writing about how we need to form a one world government and evolve into a commie hive mind or right wing fascists/libertarians writing about how we need to murder all homosexuals.
Anyone remember this story by Dan Simmons?
TLDR: It's about a time traveler from a future where Islam has conquered America

 

[RA-5C Vigilante]

I wanted to write scifi, but knowing that I have to be fat, get a hideous beard, and look/act like a pedophile means I probably wont get far.

 

[Table Country]

I wanted to write scifi, but knowing that I have to be fat, get a hideous beard, and look/act like a pedophile means I probably wont get far.

You don't need to do the third one. Look at GRRM, his work might not be all that but he's a successful scifi/fantasy author and he doesn't diddle kids. He's sort of a role model.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

He's sort of a role model.

Take one look at his blog and read the tirades he goes on about Trump. He's not someone I'd look to for advice on life or politics.

 

[Table Country]

Take one look at his blog and read the tirades he goes on about Trump. He's not someone I'd look to for advice on life or politics.

Note that I said "sort of". And so long as he doesn't talk about having sex with children in his screeds I think I'd take his advice over others.

 

[Mister Qwerty]

He mailed a dead gopher to someone who pissed him off.

For those of you who wondered if Harlan Ellison really did mail a dead gopher to someone.

Harlan could be your greatest, most loyal friend in real life, but if you crossed him he would be your worst nemesis that ever existed.

 

[Table Country]

For those of you who wondered if Harlan Ellison really did mail a dead gopher to someone.

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Harlan could be your greatest, most loyal friend in real life, but if you crossed him he would be your worst nemesis that ever existed.

There's an almost admirable quality to his spitefulness. Also I had no idea "being a mensch" was a turn of phrase that existed outside of weirdo sites like KF.

 

[Not A Skinwalker]

There's an almost admirable quality to his spitefulness. Also I had no idea "being a mensch" was a turn of phrase that existed outside of weirdo sites like KF.

it's primarily a term found in places where there was a large community of Yiddish speakers. With the death of American yiddish communities, the phrase has died out as well.

 

[Dr. Henry Armitage]

OP should mention a bit about the back and forth between Patrick Tomlinson and the Obscura True Crime Podcast. IDK if anyone else from SFWA got involved though. Is Fatrick considered the SFWA attack dog? Very embarrassing.

https://twitter.com/obscuracrimepod/status/1601338424929456128

The darkest, bleakest, sickest, most twisted thing ever, but just a day ending in y in manga.

That's it? That's the worst he could come up with? Hells bells I've seen worse things in threads on this website.

 

[Colonel Gaddafi]

Personally I try to separate the work from the authors. I know that can be incredibly difficult at times, but it’s what keeps me sane as a fan of SF and Horror. For example, I don’t want the fact that the director was a nonce to spoil my enjoyment of Jeepers Creepers. Something about these genres attract the worst people, unfortunately these people also are capable of writing pretty great creative works. That being said, what in the fresh fuck do authors like Delany and books like Hogg have to do with SciFi? I won’t comment on its literary merits, but compared to books that win Hugos or Arthur C. Clark Awards, it’s pretty obviously not in the same category.

Thanks for the write up OP, great thread so far. I had no idea the association was so infested.

 

[Big Nasty]

Best comment I've read about George R R Martin's books:

"Obviously written by a fat guy."

 

[Mikoyan]

For those of you who wondered if Harlan Ellison really did mail a dead gopher to someone.

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Harlan could be your greatest, most loyal friend in real life, but if you crossed him he would be your worst nemesis that ever existed.

It's weird that I'm way way older than KF average and I'd not heard of mid-roll ads in paperbacks before. I guess I never bought trashy enough stuff in the 80s used bins. Weirdly this is one of Harlan's most justified rages. Guy didn't want cig ads in his book, it's in the contract, whaddya gonna do?

it's primarily a term found in places where there was a large community of Yiddish speakers. With the death of American yiddish communities, the phrase has died out as well.

Yeah. Specifically a guy in that era named Ezra who was the money man at a publishing house would for sure know the term.