Does anyone else genuinely miss the 2000s?

[Headshotmaster138]

Thoughts? Because I feel like there's some truth to this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JEFjpdM9WY&t=22s

Yes.
It was the last time sadboi music was actually fun. Music about wanting to kill yourself didn't make you want to kill yourself. It actually felt optimistic. You can shit on the scene movement but I will take MCR and Three Days Grace anyday over any of the depressed shit now. A lot of the popular top 40 music was actually fun, too. I even grew up listening to country and still like a lot of it from that time.

I miss the time when nobody ever thought Youtube was ever something they'd ever make money off of and just had fun making videos. The fact that Brad Jones used to make videos about E.T pornos and that shit could be on Youtube is sacred to me. No thumbnail edits. No drama channels. No five hour long essay videos on anime or films. A million Naruto AMVs. People doing cringey shit before the term cringe was even publicly used. A buffering circle of death that would never load. It was perfect.

Netflix having a million random shitty horror movies to choose from and being sent a random dvd from their subscription service every other week.

Cable channels also just seemed more... fun. There was basically no original content on those channels at the time so if you were up at 2 in the morning on a tuesday you were probably just going to watch a shitty 90s' straight-to-dvd action movie or an undiscovered gem.

Minorities were just people. The dating sphere seemed less nightmarish. Social interaction seemed less machiavelian.

It was the last unapologetic decade. The best way I can put it is people spent less time thinking about their thoughts. Of course I was very young at the time so I could be considered biased. But I would take it anyday over the past 10 years. The world didn't end in 2012 but it damn well should have.

I do wonder if 20 years from now in a hopefully less gay earth if there will be a huge influx of 2000s' nostalgia/tribute films the way the last 70s and 80s had films that were throwbacks to the 50s and early 60s.

To add to your list: Race Relations were much more at an all time high and racism was hardly an issue back in the 2000s. Forward to now and race relations have been the worse since the 1960s or 70s and somehow racism made a comeback.

 

[870EVO]

The only thing I remember about the 2000's is Avril Lavigne because I had a crush on her as a young man.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

Wearing face masks was pretty common to wear in east-Asia when commuting, both to protect oneself and others from disease as a form of communal care and responsibility.

Hey, here is a thing I miss about the 2000s:
I miss thinking behaviour such as a above was crazy.

Honestly, its not that crazy (lived in East Asia previously). If you have a cold, the flu, etc- stay home or wear a mask imo. Its something I wished that the West would pick up, because it does make sense (my monkeys paw wish, if you want).

Whats crazy is when you literally have no symptoms, no snot, no coughing, etc- and you still wear a mask for whatever marginal good it had in the first place.

Covid ruined that though.

With the way that people wear masks to literally virtue signal, its just become cringe-even if you have a cough or a runny nose. Its sort of like how I remember in the 90s people may have draped American flags in their neighborhood, after 9/11 "ultra-patriotic" people used it to virtue signal during the Iraq war, and it just got kind of cringe because said boomers were just complete political zombies with the personality of a brick. If you abuse something to virtue signal, even if it makes sense or was pretty innocuous before, it can have that effect.

I miss the time when nobody ever thought Youtube was ever something they'd ever make money off of and just had fun making videos.

Opinions and user generated content was much, much better when it wasnt monetized or trying to get attention through the same basic techniques.

 

[AnOminous]

Its sort of like how I remember in the 90s people may have draped American flags in their neighborhood, after 9/11 "ultra-patriotic" people used it to virtue signal during the Iraq war, and it just got kind of cringe because said boomers were just complete political zombies with the personality of a brick.

I don't miss utterly dumb shit like calling French fries freedom fries.

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

The only thing I remember about the 2000's is Avril Lavigne because I had a crush on her as a young man.

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Somewhat unflattering picture aside, another thing I miss about the 2000s are tomboys. I don't know what it is but before social media took over, you could unironically meet tomboys on a regular basis wherever you hung out or went to school. They weren't super common or anything but they aren't the unicorn they are now. Now, it seems that most women are boring thots, boring church girls or old as shit ( this is me blatantly ignoring the active tomboy genocide trannies are trying to wage on the West). The death of arcades, local multiplayer in video games and just of gaming culture also contributed to the sex wars bullshit and the spectre of deviant sexual behavior being normalized in getting rid of women being okay with hanging out with men in that manner. In addition to the privacy and security aspects, this is one of the reasons I refuse to use anything other than Youtube.

 

[Sprocket]

The thing that makes me miss the 2000's is that was the last decade of normalcy.

 

[Headshotmaster138]

Somewhat unflattering picture aside, another thing I miss about the 2000s are tomboys. I don't know what it is but before social media took over, you could unironically meet tomboys on a regular basis wherever you hung out or went to school. They weren't super common or anything but they aren't the unicorn they are now. Now, it seems that most women are boring thots, boring church girls or old as shit ( this is me blatantly ignoring the active tomboy genocide trannies are trying to wage on the West). The death of arcades, local multiplayer in video games and just of gaming culture also contributed to the sex wars bullshit and the spectre of deviant sexual behavior being normalized in getting rid of women being okay with hanging out with men in that manner. In addition to the privacy and security aspects, this is one of the reasons I refuse to use anything other than Youtube.

Nowadays, being a tomboy somehow makes you either a lesbian or non-binary (or is it queer? Who gives a shit anymore.) But I feel like social media has something to do with it, though.

The thing that makes me miss the 2000's is that was the last decade of normalcy.

I agree and you're getting this from someone who lived in NYC back in the 2000s.

 

[Pissmaster]

Somewhat unflattering picture aside, another thing I miss about the 2000s are tomboys. I don't know what it is but before social media took over, you could unironically meet tomboys on a regular basis wherever you hung out or went to school. They weren't super common or anything but they aren't the unicorn they are now. Now, it seems that most women are boring thots, boring church girls or old as shit ( this is me blatantly ignoring the active tomboy genocide trannies are trying to wage on the West). The death of arcades, local multiplayer in video games and just of gaming culture also contributed to the sex wars bullshit and the spectre of deviant sexual behavior being normalized in getting rid of women being okay with hanging out with men in that manner. In addition to the privacy and security aspects, this is one of the reasons I refuse to use anything other than Youtube.

Modern tomboys are FTM trans men who are about as committed to that as girls saying they're bi 20 years ago. Just date them and say "uh, yeah, I'm totally a gay man who just happens to only like men with front holes"

 

[Tachibana]

I miss the time when nobody ever thought Youtube was ever something they'd ever make money off of and just had fun making videos. The fact that Brad Jones used to make videos about E.T pornos and that shit could be on Youtube is sacred to me. No thumbnail edits. No drama channels. No five hour long essay videos on anime or films. A million Naruto AMVs. People doing cringey shit before the term cringe was even publicly used. A buffering circle of death that would never load. It was perfect.

I would add to that. There was a fun chaotic element to the internet. It was easier to be involved in something, be part of a community, or laugh at dumb faggots on the internet. You would post some shitty flash game on Newgrounds and that was a big deal. You would post some dumb ass youtube poop to Youtube and that was a big deal. You could throw some stuff out there and get some interest. You could post the most tactless shit, and you would do it because you could.

Social Media has made everything considerably worst. There was some dumb shit on forums but it felt more personal. You didn't have celebs on there with million of subscribers, artists whining and paywalling everything behind their e-begging platforms, and faggots wailing about the latest political social injustice being "recommended" to me on a feed.

If you try replying or having any sort of conversation with any of these fuckers, at best you get ignored, at worst you get dogpiled because you desecrated the holy temple of our celeb or disagreed with current thing. You are beneath them in every way, and they will remind you of that. It feels like a ponzi scheme to feed people's egos, and if you're at the bottom, you're nothing, you are a statistic.

It is as if the content itself doesn't matter anymore, just the number you attach to it. It's so pathetic.

For involvement, multiple hobbies I used to partake in have become increasingly commodified. It's more about consuming the latest thing rather than the community and enjoying things with other people. Outside of commodities, you got companies thinking they know better than the consumer or trying to play into speculation (Wizards of the Coast).

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

I don't miss utterly dumb shit like calling French fries freedom fries.

Don't worry, today we aren't allowed to see any of Tchaikovsky's music or ballets performed, read anything by Dostoevsky or Tolstoy, or enter cats of the "Russian Blue" breed into cat shows because it means supporting Putler's takeover of the world and mass murder of 6 gorillion Ukrainians.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

The thing that makes me miss the 2000's is that was the last decade of normalcy.

One can still see signs of Clown World forming in the West even before Current Year though.

For example, the site that was at http://www.erols.com/vansickl/cliche.htm seems rather "politically correct" for 2000. Like the idea of a more "primitive" people being more spiritual - because less materialistic - was "racist" to the list maker(s). Also it seems any portrayal of women as distinct from men or sexually active was "unconscionably sexist" to them, labeled with a little pig icon.

And one can see somewhat of a fixation on "racism" or "sexism" in other Western media and websites from the late 20th century and the '00s. Like how Jynx was changed from black to violet because an American "cultural critic" claimed Jynx is "a negative stereotype of African-Americans" (and the change was official even in Japan in the '00s).

But yeah, the '00s were still the last whole decade the American MSM and politics were still at least somewhat sane.

 

[HandsomeDan]

Yes, as in pre 2001 (pre 9 11) 2000s. The 1990s was the last American decade, that officially ended on September of 2001.

 

[Headshotmaster138]

One can still see signs of Clown World forming in the West even before Current Year though.

For example, the site that was at http://www.erols.com/vansickl/cliche.htm seems rather "politically correct" for 2000. Like the idea of a more "primitive" people being more spiritual - because less materialistic - was "racist" to the list maker(s). Also it seems any portrayal of women as distinct from men or sexually active was "unconscionably sexist" to them, labeled with a little pig icon.

And one can see somewhat of a fixation on "racism" or "sexism" in other Western media and websites from the late 20th century and the '00s. Like how Jynx was changed from black to violet because an American "cultural critic" claimed Jynx is "a negative stereotype of African-Americans" (and the change was official even in Japan in the '00s).

But yeah, the '00s were still the last whole decade the American MSM and politics were still at least somewhat sane.

Not trying to argue but I never saw anything of what you're talking about, dude.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Not trying to argue but I never saw anything of what you're talking about, dude.

That's good. It means that America before Current Year definitely was more sane.

(despite any signs of Clown World forming)

 

[Headshotmaster138]

That's good. It means that America before Current Year definitely was more sane.

(despite any signs of Clown World forming)

I don't know. I feel like with your first example, I can just chalk it up to a third wave feminist preaching to no one since that shit had no power back then and most people would call her out on her bullshit, including other leftist ironically. Helps the 2000s as a whole is known for being very anti-PC and the media reflects it pretty well.

As for your second point, I find it a little funny that no one really complained by Jinx or Mr.Popo except for a bunch of boomers who never bothered to watch the show. Then again, Pokemon has pissed off everyone since it came to the west such, as Soccer Moms, Out of touch College professors, and fucking Peta if I remember.

As for Clown World, it's subjective where it started but I do believe in that Mandela effect theory where the world ended in 2012 but not in the way we thought.

 

[TheRedChair]

Somewhat unflattering picture aside, another thing I miss about the 2000s are tomboys. I don't know what it is but before social media took over, you could unironically meet tomboys on a regular basis wherever you hung out or went to school. They weren't super common or anything but they aren't the unicorn they are now. Now, it seems that most women are boring thots, boring church girls or old as shit ( this is me blatantly ignoring the active tomboy genocide trannies are trying to wage on the West). The death of arcades, local multiplayer in video games and just of gaming culture also contributed to the sex wars bullshit and the spectre of deviant sexual behavior being normalized in getting rid of women being okay with hanging out with men in that manner. In addition to the privacy and security aspects, this is one of the reasons I refuse to use anything other than Youtube.

I agree with this as I have seen this transition phase both professionally and personally.

As for Clown World, it's subjective where it started but I do believe in that Mandela effect theory where the world ended in 2012 but not in the way we thought.

There are a few things I can not fully explain. When Random chance happens more than what Random Chance supposed to be then there "ARE" outside forces in play. The Mandela Effect IMHO is real as I remember his death being commented back then.

My curse or rather gift to some people is that I have met so many people that became something. Such as Shaking the Hand of George Bush, Twice while he was campaigning. Or talking to Mr. Forbes as a kid. Or getting information on things that helped me get ahead.

Or literally the hand of god beating the living shit out of me because I wanted to go a certain way in my life. Which in turn forced me to gather so many skill sets in life that in my end years it helped me to become wealthy.

Too many things, just too many thing. to state that there is something or someone manipulating society as a whole.

There are many theories to this but regardless IMHO the death of what is real, what is an individual is, what freedom is started in 2006 and began it's decline.

I say this year because... damn I retired when I really did not needed too as I was making shit loads of money back then. People thought I was absolutely nuts. But I felt the Winds of Change approaching. Literally. I did my research and saw the tell tale signs of what is happening.

So I retired and never looked back.

And the world of creativity and individualism began its slow spiral downhill to this shithole of a mess on what we call Diversity Inclusion. Of CONTROL of reason and common sense.

How I met my wife is something out of Strange Tales or the movies. That is another wild and strange story but because of what happened it cemented to deal of...

There "IS" something out there. Luck, Random Chance can go only so far. Everyone I met that hustled met death. I'm the last man standing.

Why?? I have no fucking clue. Maybe I just lucky, but THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN OLD GANSTER. JUST OLD IN POVERTY OR JUST DEAD. Maybe just to tell the younger generation to wake up and take charge of your life and get ahead before it is too late.

I hope that is the case but again in many cases you just don't understand the how's and why's of how things worked itself out. You just have to go on believing in yourself and continue on in life. I fully believed in myself and my long term plans and marched forward ignoring all those that wanted to pull me downward.

However for many. IMHO there is little hope for most of people as they have turned into non thinkers of tribalism. They will live their lives out obeying what those in power dictate.

I'm not sure with many things but I have been consistent with "The Message" and "The Message" is save money so you can get ahead and break the chains of corporate/government slavery.

Again this is from Experience. Money IS Power. It is the only real thing that those IN Power look at as well as...

What is your NET WORTH?
What are your ABILITIES and how they can be used, manipulated and exploited?
How LONG are you of use?

That is what "They" look at.

Money is the only way to escape the fate of being the Sheep from those Wolves leading them to the slaughter.

Yes I miss the early 2000's as it was the last gasp of for average people to gain freedom.

That is why there is that Era of Nostalgia that the Sheeple are experiencing as they wish for the better days. But they themselves made the problem. You can only point out the problems until you just get sick of it all about the ignorance of the sheep.

But even Nostalgia can be used as a tool of power by those who wield it.

Nostalgia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That is today's reality. One of living paycheck by paycheck, but you did get your nice toys, fancy clothes/cars because you listened too those influencers on social media said that they will make you happy. Take your meds and be thankful for what you what you have and praise the OverLords for you living in your mud huts and bug burgers.

That is your life in the 21st century and you have only yourself to blame as you made those chains of poverty and ignorance... ONE CHAIN LENGHT AT A TIME.

The few of us who got the message are on the sidelines watching the world around them come crashing down. They understand they will be okay because they did those things in life to protect their well being.

It is IMPORTANT to remember the past but you have to remember the past IN Both good and the bad if you want to get ahead in life.

That is what I remember on that Day on September 23, 2006. That is the final day that I felt that cold Winds of Change that sent a chill down my spine on a sunny day. That was the day I knew something bad was going to happen even more than watching the economic data coming in.

Years later as I look back on that day I say to myself,

"That is the day in that the Freedom of Individuality started to die". And now in 2023, 17 years later... The loss of intellectual/emotional/spiritual freedoms, due mostly to Socialistic Norms..

ARE so very real.

 

[skykiii]

At this point, Ametican society (and arguably most Western societies) are on parity with Japan in how mentally dull and enslaved most people are to the cultural norms and mores of the masses. It's not that I don't believe we shouldn't have any, but the ypunger generations have no concept of self apart from some group or "community" due to social media telling them they need to be popular or otherwise enslave themselves to popular opinion in order to be liked. I even see it in my church a lot and it's quite sad actually.

Okay.... I gotta admit, reading this topic again I kinda had a moment of clarity.

Because honestly.... what you're describing was not invented by the internet. It has always happened. Hell I recall this being a problem during my school years where I kept being told things like how weird it was I couldn't stand blue jeans or didn't like the same video games as anyone else. The pressure to conform has always been a thing.

Hell, another post in this very topic brought it up--that in neolithic eras we trusted people in our own communities and formed in-groups. Inherent to that, anyone in that in-group carried social expectations. Boys were expected to be part of the hunting party, and if you weren't, you were weird or else a burden.

.........

And while I do think the 2000s are better than today, 2003 was also the year I had my first run-ins with people who could be called Social Justice Warriors. It was on a forum for a cartoon that was running at the time, where most of the userbase was children, they basically tried to take the place over and, of course, didn't even like the actual show in question, and instead spent all their time sperging about Bush or trying to run any adult male members and mods off the site... save for the ones who caved to their beliefs.

I had completely forgotten this until just now, but yeah pretty much.... these people have always existed. Just now they're mainstream.

That's what really sucks to me. We all had plenty of warning, and none of us did anything. "Evil triumps when good men do nothing" as the saying goes.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

As for Clown World, it's subjective where it started but I do believe in that Mandela effect theory where the world ended in 2012 but not in the way we thought.

The 2012 effect has some interesting coincidences. It was the ending of Baktun 12, which started on September 19, 1618, which in Europe was September 20, the day after the first major battle in the Thirty Years War (Siege of Pilsen) started. I think Baktun 12 beginning with the Thirty Years War which marked the final religious war in Europe and creation of modern statehood (Westphalianism) is quite significant. Baktun 11 for that matter began in 1224 in an era of great changes--the Crusades were failing, the Mongol Empire was rising, and of course 1224-1618 was the last great era of holy wars marked by the Reconquista, conquest of the Americas, and Hapsburg-Ottoman wars.

The 7,200 day k'atun cycle of the Maya Short Count is interesting too, since it not only predicted events in Maya civilization (look up what happened to the League of Mayapan, it was directly affected by the k'atun cycle) but can be applied to our world. Basically, the k'atun ending means an important change, and some group will benefit. The 19th k'atun of the 12th baktun ended in 1993 when the EU was founded and Clinton became president. The first k'atun of the 13th baktun ends in 2032, an election year in the US.

Were the Mayans onto something? I can't say for sure. Perhaps it's a natural thing given human nature that ever few centuries society changes like that, and that's what the ancestors of the Maya caught on to, just like they caught onto how things change every 7,200 days.

 

[Spob]

The only thing I remember about the 2000's is Avril Lavigne because I had a crush on her as a young man.

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Imagine stumbling across this message without knowing who Avril is, and thinking the person in the image is a femboy or a troon (and let's be honest they're pretty much the same thing)

Anyways, enough small talk. I'm sure a lot of the "2000s nostalgia" you see floating around here and there is really just misplaced 1990s nostalgia. Especially for the zoomers who never actually got to experience the 90s or were too young for the 2007 financial crisis to affect them.

The real dividing line is 9/11. 9/11 completely and radically altered our perceptions of the world and our sense of security. Whether these paradigm shifts were necessary is another debate unto itself, but overall it's pretty hard to deny that the period between 1/1/2000 and 9/11/2001 was still pretty much culturally and socially 90s.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

One thing I've noticed about Clown World is how forced or artificial Clown World feels. The world before Current Year was still the modern world, but at least it felt more "organic" than Clown World. Happenings didn't feel like circus acts like Current Things do.