Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[mindlessobserver]

Second big topic in that place is how they have more pages than this one, I cannot catch why quality of pages goes into guality.

Their Vatniggers. They believe quantity is a quality in an of itself.

 

[LeChampion1992]

I will post in this thread and the other to bring both sides down to their knees.
But muh HOLHOLs and their Nazi symbols Stephan baderia is a bad guy!!!! Reeeeeeeee

I just saw an entire column of Russians killed by Ukrainian artillery. Russia only lost 15,000 people hol hols lose 500,000 jewlinksky needs to surrender Ukraine and listen to history legends for advice!!!!!!

(Average Vatnik apologist poster.)

I am shocked they couldn't last a day. Shocked.

Anyway of course Bakhmut can't fall because if this one town falls after seven months the war is obviously ogre, despite a quick glance at a map showing the losses Russia has taken trying to capture it not being worth it. Wow so you took ~30,000 casualties over seven months to capture a town (not captured yet) barely 20 miles from where the front lines were when the war started. Kramatorsk and Sloviansk would be the next targets, and are both heavily fortified. At this rate Russia will triumphantly capture them in 2026. At this rate Russia will take the full territory of Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts sometime in the mid-2030s. I don't feel so good hoholbros...

Look it's sad to say but groups like the Duran have ruined their reputation by sounding the alarm "Ukraine is going to collapse, it's only propped up by the west and Bakhmut has been encircled and will fall within a week for about a hundred times now."

Part of the human cost Ukrainians are paying for their freedom. The brothers and one of the brothers' wife aren't that much older than I am. My best to these folks. Think you have it tough? Try living like these people.

Elderly brothers eke out life among ruins of Ukraine war

The Kovalyov brothers - Stepan who is 80 and Volodymyr who is 77 - and their wives have decided to stay in the isolated farming village of Posad-Pokrovske in southern Ukraine to live out their days in the place they know best.

www.reuters.com

Elderly brothers eke out life among ruins of Ukraine war

archived 14 Feb 2023 14:13:05 UTC

archive.vn

Also recommend watching the "1420" videos on YouTube. Some rather brave young Russians ask people on the street, in both big cities and small towns, various questions about the war, Putin, America, other countries, etc. Been doing this since the war started. Some Russians will tell the truth. Most older people, and a few younger ones, follow the government line. Sadly, many people say little or nothing, fearing government retribution. Was most surprised to see just how Third World many areas in Russia, away from the big cities actually are. Incredible to see people having to draw their water from a bucket at a communal well outdoors, for example.

Most of the older people are "Stalin should have killed this HolHols back in the 1930s those Nazis!!!!" Clearly not understanding that the Nazis didn't invade til 1941. I also tend to notice its the older Russian boomers who are most gung go for the war. Meanwhile most of the young guys are in love my country and I'll fight or I don't want to talk about the war.

This was pretty much my thoughts too. Team Z hates the explanation though. They never like the response to the question "If it's not important whybhas Ukraine deployed so many troops there" being "Because that is where the Russians are".

Taking Bakhmut has to be part of some sort master plan for them when really if they want to take something important Zaporizhia would be far more useful as that would help shield their precious land bridge to Crimea. All taking Bakhmut does is make Donetsk City a little more safe then it was a few months ago. Which is fine, but hardly a ground shaking defeat for Ukraine.

If they secure Bakhmut then at the very least they can potray it as a political victory and stop temporarily. It won't officially end the war and cross border raids will still continue. Which can give the Russians time to regroup, reorganize and attack again.

For people who wonder my stance, I hate global homo but I also realize Sino 1984 and Gulaghomo are shit choices too. May we all luck out and witness the simultaneous collapse of all three empires In a decades time.

 

[tulskij_tochnyj]

Really now? Moscow consolidates budget of the entire country and decides who gets what (and of course feds prioritize themselves). Places like Chechnya are most definitely a drain, as all they produce is uncontrollable mountain niggers that cause trouble for everyone else, but that's the price Putin is willing to pay for Kadyrov's loyalty.
It's possible for few separate countries to exist in place of RF, it's just that everything is done to ensure it doesn't happen.

Essentially, Moscow collects money from excises, VAT (НДС) and mineral resources extraction tax (НДПИ) and redistributes it from rich regions (frozen hellholes with oil/gas, Moscow, St. Petersburg) to poor (Central Russia, Caucasus, frozen hellholes without oil/gas). While our current government abuses this scheme to buy loyalty and fund federal oppression apparatus, the redistribution itself is, unfortunately, necessary. Even if all taxes remain in regions, most of them will face budget deficits, which means cuts for healthcare/education/infrastructure. Plus, some of those regions (yes, Caucasus, I'm looking at you) are too small, corrupt and retarded to build adequate economy on their own (without returning to monke and raiding their neighbors).
If anything, regions should be merged (with ethnic minorities keeping their language/cultural rights), people in frozen hellholes should be paid to resettle, and only then new states or confederation can be formed. The fact that some commissar Moshe Cohen had created 666 autonomous republics and drawn retarded borders in 1922 doesn't mean it's a go-to solution.

 

[Pork Packer]

Well I was planning on doing my fifth "been another 100 pages since I posted, has bakhmut fallen yet?" drop in on the big nig thread but I guess russiaboo kvetching forced the janny hands

Still lets see whether the conquest list has updated since then....

Oh darn it hasnt.

Still im sure that everybody's favorite kidfucker weapons inspector will chime in with the latest excuse and will be joined by Mr Douglas "I single handedly won desert storm because my autobiography says so and thats why i was never promoted above colonel" Macgregor who will explain how ukraine's entire army was annihilated for the 53rd time and the country will be conquered by the end of the week again, and all will be right in russia simp world and this map will be a reality any day now

 

[AgendaPoster]

Back to the Cold War days with people seeking asylum and selling military secrets

A Russian claiming to hold secrets about advanced bomber jets turned up at the US southern border seeking asylum: report

The man said he worked on Russia's Tu-160 attack jets, considered the most advanced strategic bomber in the Russian arsenal.

www.businessinsider.com

A Russian Jet Engineer Turned up at US Border Offering Secrets: Report

archived 14 Feb 2023 22:41:35 UTC

archive.ph

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

What? Now I have to have 2 open tabs for 2 autism containment threads?
Oh the humanity!

They could've just renamed the happenings thread the pro-russian thread and the news thread the pro Ukraine thread.

I wonder if the pro russia thread posters will get bored and come over to this one.

Every post in there will probably just be "We should glass the slavs for the benefit of mankind"

It would become the NATO agrarian cooperative.

 

[Blatant hypocrite]

I wonder if the pro russia thread posters will get bored and come over to this one.

You must have missed the second post in this thread.

We more or less did have a Russia/Ukraine split, but it wasn't really enforced. And then certain people started complaining that their posts were being removed for constantly breaking the rules. So now the rules are simple.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

I wonder if the pro russia thread posters will get bored and come over to this one.

Border is guarded by haydamaks, jannies, autobots, mobiks and this guy:



so they will not last long. Without trolling: separation is enforced by staff without pardon, so no, we will probably not see migrations between this sister threads.

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The fact that some commissar Moshe Cohen had created 666 autonomous republics and drawn retarded borders in 1922 doesn't mean it's a go-to solution.

Partially true, partially not. Changing borders before speculated dissolution of RF will be risky, but still not so impossible like redrawning them after dissolution.

Also I'm not so sure that dissoluting RF will be any good for world. Deputinization, demilitarization, decriminalization and pushing the whole thing on new economic path should be more applicable resolution. Maybye seccession of some regions that will be too hard to find any purpose can be a solution for starting future reforms, but it will also give risk that newly created states will be horrorshow (if we are dreaming lets imagine a horror in independent Chechen ruled state from Dagestan to Ingushetia. Civil war in this thing will state probably in first ten seconds of soverginity.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Border is guarded by haydamaks, jannies, autobots, mobiks and this guy:

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so they will not last long. Without trolling: separation is enforced by staff without pardon, so no, we will probably not see migrations between this sister threads.

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Partially true, partially not. Changing borders before speculated dissolution of RF will be risky, but still not so impossible like redrawning them after dissolution.

Also I'm not so sure that dissoluting RF will be any good for world. Deputinization, demilitarization, decriminalization and pushing the whole thing on new economic path should be more applicable resolution. Maybye seccession of some regions that will be too hard to find any purpose can be a solution for starting future reforms, but it will also give risk that newly created states will be horrorshow (if we are dreaming lets imagine a horror in independent Chechen ruled state from Dagestan to Ingushetia. Civil war in this thing will state probably in first ten seconds of soverginity.

It's so much wasted potential too. Instead of pissing away what few kids they have in Ukrainian trenches they should be turning the largest unexploited wilderness in the world into something viable. Russia already has so much land to give itself a prosperous future and instead we get drunken naval gazing about a former Empire and past glories. It would be sad if it wasn't so pathetic.

 

[YumeNoHero]

They could've just renamed the happenings thread the pro-russian thread and the news thread the pro Ukraine thread.

I wonder if the pro russia thread posters will get bored and come over to this one.

It would become the NATO agrarian cooperative.

Hard disagree on that, both the happening and news thread will become their own mindless cocksucking chamber for either sides if you do that. Also the happening thread is for posting happenings, not for whatever the fuck Ukraine supporters sperging about that day. Either fucking post actual happenings like the vatniks you so hated or at the very least stop starting another retarded sperging spree or slapfight and we wouldn't have this split threads autism here.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Fun fact, Moldova has a massive arms storage depot of old explosives which is apparently enough to make a nuke sized boom

Sure that depot isn't the one in Transnistria which is the largest ammunition depot in Europe? Plus it is effectively untouchable by both sides given its political and geographical situation.

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

We more or less did have a Russia/Ukraine split, but it wasn't really enforced. And then certain people started complaining that their posts were being removed for constantly breaking the rules. So now the rules are simple.

I know. I was pointing out how the different "sides" gravitated toward one of the two threads.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Hard disagree on that, both the happening and news thread will become their own mindless cocksucking chamber for either sides if you do that. Also the happening thread is for posting happenings, not for whatever the fuck Ukraine supporters sperging about that day. Either fucking post actual happenings like the vatniks you so hated or at the very least stop starting another retarded sperging spree or slapfight and we wouldn't have this split threads autism here.

They
Can't
Help
It
It's in their vatnigger nature.
It's genetic.
It's in the blood. The DNA.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

I find it immensely ironic and sad reflecting upon this war's anniversary that I genuinely love Russia, its culture and history. My opposition to this war is because this is such a stupid, pointless fantasy cooked up by corrupt old Soviet farts who think it's 1953.

Everything critical I've said is out of love for that country and hope for a better future once those Bolshevik scum finally die. The United States and Russia are unique in that we are the only two nations that had a "frontier" as part of our formative experience as nations. Americans West to the Pacific, Russians East the Pacific.

Sad, mindless slaughter and all for nothing.

 

[draggs]

No one should care about or look at or cry big salty vagina tears about that *other thread* (oooooooooooooooh spooky other thread!)

 

[Resident Cheeser]

No one should care about or look at or cry big salty vagina tears about that *other thread* (oooooooooooooooh spooky other thread!)

Agreed, especially because they are cringe.

I find it immensely ironic and sad reflecting upon this war's anniversary that I genuinely love Russia, its culture and history. My opposition to this war is because this is such a stupid, pointless fantasy cooked up by corrupt old Soviet farts who think it's 1953.

Everything critical I've said is out of love for that country and hope for a better future once those Bolshevik scum finally die. The United States and Russia are unique in that we are the only two nations that had a "frontier" as part of our formative experience as nations. Americans West to the Pacific, Russians East the Pacific.

Sad, mindless slaughter and all for nothing.

I'm in the same boat as you. I've been to Russia, have a bunch of Russian friends (only one is a Ztard), and think it would have been awesome if they turned into a ushanka-wearing America after the fall of the USSR. But they keep getting back to their usual bullshit and that's militaristic empire-building before another inevitable revolution when things get even worse.

 

[mindlessobserver]

No one should care about or look at or cry big salty vagina tears about that *other thread* (oooooooooooooooh spooky other thread!)

But I want to be mad that they exist and have wrong opinions, unlike this, the good thread which is a fortress of unassailable truth.

 

[Echo_Ender]

I hop between both threads to try to get a more broad view. With mixed results.

Both threads have the issue of just regurgitating propaganda from their side, but there are interesting posts in both.

But back on topic, personally, I think Ukraine is in for a bad time soon. They've become almost completely dependent on Western handouts to keep going.

But the West has been using them as part of NATOs proxy-war with Russia instead of out of any sense of altruism.

They're a convenient battlefield to get combat data for Javelins from. Or a nice place to ship mothballed equipment and munitions that they would've had to pay to decomission anyway.

But once they run out of pragmatic reasons to keep helping the Ukrainians, I think they're going to leave them hanging out to dry if this goes on too much longer.

Zelensky is starting to annoy people with his "Demands" for assistance, the Ukies are gobbling up supplies and ammo at an alarming rate, and Russia is prepared to turn this into a long war.

This is going to cost a lot more lives before this is over.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

But once they run out of pragmatic reasons to keep helping the Ukrainians, I think they're going to leave them hanging out to dry if this goes on too much longer.

They dissolve NATO, Poland will apply to join RF, UKA and USA go into isolationism and Germoney will welcome ruzzian garrison in Magdeburg?

Point is that too few people realize that this is something like first balkan war or sino-jap war.

 

[Echo_Ender]

They dissolve NATO, Poland will apply to join RF, UKA and USA go into isolationism and Germoney will welcome ruzzian garrison in Magdeburg?

Point is that too few people realize that this is something like first balkan war or sino-jap war.

I was thinking more along the lines of Ukraine being unable to fight as openly as they have and being forced to shift towards guerrilla warfare and insurgency.