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skykiii said:
At what point does a show count as a Western Animation and what point does it count as an Anime?
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I take it as where was the show primarily written / story boarded. Animation is typically sent overseas regardless of Japan or America, so just look at the writers.

Avatar was a show made and developed by Americans, so it is American regardless of style. Panty & Stocking may look like an Adult Swim series and act like Drawn Together, but it is still distinctly a Japanese take on American culture.
 
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Somerandoontheweb said:
Disney be stirring the pot
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And they're totally taking the bait View attachment 4527365
I wonder what "Sapphic activities" they're imagining
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Wouldn't that be what they call queerbaiting? Because it's not like they're actually gonna make any of them canon aside from lumity.
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This is one of the reasons why people think lgbt folks are freaks. It’s because of motherfuckers like this.

A Grey Cat said:
Is mayonnaise an instrument?
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No Patrick, mayonnaise is not an instrument.

…Nor is horseradish.
 
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skykiii said:
I thought of bringing up a show called Dogtanian and the Muskehounds but that might technically be anime.

I'm also bringing this up because its something me and my sister debate about a lot. For example, she counts shows like Thundercats and Inspector Gadget as anime due to, essentially, the animation being done by Japanese people. But I argue that they're western cartoons because westerners do the majority of the legwork and really the only "anime" flavor they have to them is the visuals, while the plots and concepts and overall feel are entirely American.

Yeah, I know this is probably a stupid thing to even care about, but hey..... that's what the internet is for: overthinking retarded issues.

Anyway, whose side would you guys lean more towards? Mine or my sister's?
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I think the core of that is fairly complicated but what might help as a factor is that a lot of animation of all kinds is done in countries outside where the show is being written/set. The examples are a mile long but for recent fairly major ones;

Amphibia - was largely animated in Korea (allegedly an intentional choice since they wanted hand drawn animation)
Miraculous Ladybug - an association with Toei animation and a deliberate anime influence in the thing from the start
and of course Avatar the Last Airbender - it's those industrious Koreans again

Now I've no doubt the argument about what makes it anime or not could rage for hundreds of pages. But I think at the core the main difference is the story telling source. The best examples for this would probably be to use settings that connect to real world stuff, which for a lot of animation tend to be high school ones. Almost like that's some of their target audience.

Code Lyoko and Miraculous Ladybug are both unquestionably written French. If you did the entire show in Japanese there are still enough differences between it and a Japanese written anime set in Japan that people should be to tell the difference even without knowing that. Watch pretty much any anime set in a high school for any amount of time and the differences are clear.

Mildly off topic I remember finding a random comic done in a manga style that was by a French author. Think it might have been called Dreamland or something like that. While every aspect of it was visually clearly drawing a lot of manga influence the actual way it was written and how the characters behaved was massively different. Almost like the are enormous cultural differences or something.

If you want to continue the argument with your sister look up Mysterious Cities of Gold, French company in association with a Japanese animation studio using a name based of f a Japanese loanword from French. At a certain point it becomes a circle.

Also discuss the Muskerhounds in here freely. It's very much not an anime.
 
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skykiii said:
At what point does a show count as a Western Animation and what point does it count as an Anime?

I'm also bringing this up because its something me and my sister debate about a lot. For example, she counts shows like Thundercats and Inspector Gadget as anime due to, essentially, the animation being done by Japanese people. But I argue that they're western cartoons because westerners do the majority of the legwork and really the only "anime" flavor they have to them is the visuals, while the plots and concepts and overall feel are entirely American.

Anyway, whose side would you guys lean more towards? Mine or my sister's?
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Morethanabitfoolish said:
Amphibia - was largely animated in Korea (allegedly an intentional choice since they wanted hand drawn animation)
and of course Avatar the Last Airbender - it's those industrious Koreans again
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If you didn't know, most of the animation work in Western shows is done mostly by Koreans. Most of the animation work for my favorite Cartoon Network series, the Looney Tunes Show, is done by Yearim and Rough Draft Korea.
Rough Draft would then later produce animation for shows like Futurama, Napoleon Dynamite, Sit Down, Shut Up, Drawn Together, Baby Blues, and Disenchantment, while its sister studio in South Korea would also produce animation for shows such as SpongeBob SquarePants, Amphibia, Dexter's Laboratory, The Powerpuff Girls, Samurai Jack, Phineas and Ferb, Rocko's Modern Life, The Angry Beavers, Star vs. the Forces of Evil, Family Guy, The Critic, Dilbert, Adventure Time, Sheep in the Big City, Dragon Tales, Gravity Falls, Steven Universe, The Owl House, and King of the Hill. Rough Draft and its divisions would also contribute to feature films based on the shows they worked on such as Beavis and Butt-Head Do America, The Powerpuff Girls Movie, The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie, The Simpsons Movie, and The SpongeBob Movie: Sponge Out of Water. - Rough Draft's Wikipedia page
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Yearim did the animation for most of the Looney Tunes shows and Tom and Jerry films for Warner Bros. Another studio that animates for Steven Universe is Sunmin, who does Ben 10, Amphibia, The Owl House, etc.

But we don't consider most of what we watched as cartoons as Korean animation, because they all are conceptually Western with the producers, writers, and directors being Western.
 
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Anonitolia said:
to be fair they're partners in crime with the idiot writers who insist on making their shows about gay romance and melodrama instead of anything actually engaging
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Between the 90s and 2000s, there were American studios working with Korean animation studios, yet the writing for each individual product was way better than almost anything 2010s onward
 
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Oats12345 said:
God forbid we can't just have female friends anymore!
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It's the silliest shit I've ever seen. Back in college I had this feminist professor who was hysterical about how, back in the middle ages or something, some Christian philosophers argued that women are fundamentally incapable of understanding friendship because their minds are wired to view everything through the lens of romance, sex, and corruption. There was one quote that stuck out to me that I've never been able to find again that all but said that, if it were up to women, every same sex friendship in history would be a gay relationship because her mind is incapable of fathoming the concept of platonic bonding.
She got so angry at this and I'm sure there was at least one test question asking us why this was false (with no option to say it was true).

Fast forward a few decades and fags and troons are literally proving those philosophers right. Two characters of the same sex appear on screen and are friendly with each other? Within hours, the women in the audience are freaking out to their drawing pads adding LGBT flags and kissing and raging at anyone saying this ship ain't gay.

For better reference: /r/SapphoAndHerFriend which has all but become "Everyone in history is gay (and if you disagree, you're a homophobe and also gay)"
 
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Midwit said:
Anime is made for the Japanese market, if a show is made for the western market but has Japanese animators that doesn't make it an anime.
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There's been a couple exceptions. Oban: Star-Racers counts as an anime despite the creator and director being French because it was a collaborative production between French animation studio Sav! and Hal Maker in Japan (so it wasn't outsourced like American Rabbit and Rankin-Bass' The Hobbit were), but it's unconventional-looking enough to pass for Western animation. Though I don't know which came out first, the English dub or Japanese voice-acting.
 
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Midwit said:
Anime is made for the Japanese market, if a show is made for the western market but has Japanese animators that doesn't make it an anime.
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That's why shows that have the style (Avatar TLA, Boondocks, Teen Titans, Code Lyoko, Meglas XLR, Ben 10, Kappa Mikey, etc.) will never be claimed as anime, no matter how many people label them as.
Kari Kamiya said:
There's been a couple exceptions. Oban: Star-Racers counts as an anime despite the creator and director being French because it was a collaborative production between French animation studio Sav! and Hal Maker in Japan (so it wasn't outsourced like American Rabbit and Rankin-Bass' The Hobbit were), but it's unconventional-looking enough to pass for Western animation. Though I don't know which came out first, the English dub or Japanese voice-acting.
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Transformers and Batman TAS are also very good, very common examples. They were also outsourced from a couple various Japanese arthouse studios, but are not actually anime.
 
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Outsourcing doesn't count as anime-exceptions like I said. Transformers is a weird one in that due to being popular in Japan, there are some titles that were made by the Japanese and therefore considered outright anime.
 
Even though the director of the original trilogy is said to direct the live-action adaptation, why is this even in the works?
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I know the answer.

 
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