Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Yeah, that's exactly what that word means. They've been more or less militarily neutral for 200 years. You wish they'd throw that away over Ukraine?
More for a multi billion dollar industry. It's quite simple either we allow the re-export of our ammo or our customers look for other sources in the future when they can't share our ammo with their allies in case of a war.

In the end what's even the benefit of a outdated meme such as "strict neutrality" nowdays? Third world nigger dictators store their money in the Gulf countries now after we confiscated Gaddafi, Assads and Ben Alis money in the 2010s plus the banking sector is more and more less relevant for the Swiss economy in total. "Independent foreign policy" is a illusion since we are a small landlocked country and we have to obey Brussels in critical questions such as a the sanctions against RU.

We are not even talking about direct Swiss military support for Ukraine but just the re-export of Swiss ammo from third party countries. The only argument against it is, that it could slowly open up the door for our corrupt politicans to drag us into NATO in the future.
 
You must be high. If you're a German that's blatant propaganda and if you're not let a German tell you that your image of the German resourcefulness is completely off. There will NEVER be any Leopard I or II tanks in a significant number supplied to Ukraine. Let alone being replaced and serviced.

"Up the number"? The only number that is going up in Germany is the number of shitskins and Ukies begging for gibs.

If you look for support look elsewhere. Our politicians are big on announcements but lack in substance to come through with their promises.
The German military basically ceased to exist after 1990 so I'm surprised they've even been able to send as much as they have. I think we'll see no shortage of the Leo 1s (60s tank, on par with the T-62) and Leo 2s (several were destroyed in North Syria by rebel groups) disabled/destroyed. Still, the Tanks will help and they will force the Russians to pay an even higher price if they want to take the entire Donbass or other areas, and the LEO 2s are probably better than anything the Russians field as far as tanks go.


They don't actually need to enter it or even commit that many troops, i.e. Bakhmut 2.0; just make it unusable & uninhabitable for the Ukrainians; although even a small breakthrough certainly would offer the opportunity for an end-run around that part of the Ukrainian lines.

And speaking of Russian cannon-fodder:

Wagner posts videos of their own dead bodies in garbage bags stacked like firewood from time to time, they're retarded like that. (video is from last month)

 
Wagnerites have been caught wearing Ukrainian camo numerous times in an illegal effort to confuse the Ukrainians or increase friendly fire. There was a video where the Ukrainians captured some of the Russians wearing Ukrainian camo and so they emptied a magazine into each of their heads after they properly identified them as Russian soldiers.
A bet the ass holes never bothered to tell the illiterate convicts that if they are caught wearing Ukrainian Uniforms on a battlefield they can be summarily executed.
 
Yeah probably, they were all Russian soldiers dressed in Ukrainian uniforms and speaking Ukrainian in order to demoralize the Ukrainians.
Psychological warfare is a thing, especially in a conflict like this. Remember the command dear feeder gave when this started. Don't even assume, KNOW that every video, every article coming out of this will be a lie.
 
do we *know* they were speaking ukrainian unless youre a native speaker of one or more of those languages?
I understand that to the untrained ear, Russian and Ukrainian probably sound the same. I imagine I might have the same problem trying to tell Senegalese from Ugandan or something like that.

But there are plenty of people who DO speak Russian, or Ukrainian, or both, on KiwiFarms and they CAN tell the difference.
 
You must be high. If you're a German that's blatant propaganda and if you're not let a German tell you that your image of the German resourcefulness is completely off. There will NEVER be any Leopard I or II tanks in a significant number supplied to Ukraine. Let alone being replaced and serviced.

"Up the number"? The only number that is going up in Germany is the number of shitskins and Ukies begging for gibs.

If you look for support look elsewhere. Our politicians are big on announcements but lack in substance to come through with their promises.
The Germans have said they won't use end user agreements to block countries from supplying German manufactured tanks. That's all they really need to do. There are so many Leopard I's in service, that German spares aren't even required to maintain them anymore. Also Leopard I's that have been removed from service in Germany, Belgium etc are all in private hands now.
 
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You wish they'd throw that away over Ukraine?
They already throw that away while ago. You know, they also sanctioning ruzzia, but in lesser way than Germoney or USA.
Preventing Germany from selling them on is the opposite of neutrality.
Not exactly. In most cases this type of deals require permission of producer to re-export items.

How stupid is to buy military from Swiss I will not debate. Lets say this isn't very wise to buy gun from someone, who cannot sell you ammo/spare parts/more gun when you be in war.

A bet the ass holes never bothered to tell the illiterate convicts that if they are caught wearing Ukrainian Uniforms on a battlefield they can be summarily executed.
Funfact: wagnetards aren't protected by international war in this case. They aren't soldiers, they aren't civilians helping own forces in war ont they land, they aren't even insurgents. The only legal frameworks than protect/non protect them from execution/hanging on na tree/seting them of fire after capture is local war of whatever country they are.

Another funfact: some EU countries don't punish when someone kills a robber/murderer/rapist (as wagnetards in fact are) in certain circumstances AFTER capturing him and securing him. So in some countries, if they will be used at war, they will probably be just killed after capture.
 
How stupid is to buy military from Swiss I will not debate. Lets say this isn't very wise to buy gun from someone, who cannot sell you ammo/spare parts/more gun when you be in war.
But they have such fine clockwork!





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Yeah, that's exactly what that word means. They've been more or less militarily neutral for 200 years. You wish they'd throw that away over Ukraine?
They're lucky to have a choice and enjoy peace at someone else's expense.
@Vince McMahon @Astro Galactic Megalul
You've been summoned. Is Wagner doing the Ukrainian uniform thing?
You know at least as much as I do, I find out these things through the internet too. What I know is that all the rules are out the window, Russia never gave a fuck about international treaties of any sort, more so in this war.
Give me something specific, otherwise there's no point in it. A lot of Ukrainians still speak Russian, and some Ukrainians on Russian side could speak Ukrainian, though that's less likely.
But they have such fine clockwork!




Cockroach saying the thing, must be a day ending in Y.
 
@Vince McMahon @Astro Galactic Megalul
You've been summoned. Is Wagner doing the Ukrainian uniform thing?
Is that what we're trying to determine? I thought the question now was are the dudes in videos about Bakhmut that @Feline Supremacist was posting were speaking Ukrainian.

They're lucky to have a choice and enjoy peace at someone else's expense.

We all live our lives at the expense of people in the third world who die in factories and get cancer from pollution so you can have your shoes, electronics, clothes, and so on. Please spare me the theatrics.
 
"Independent foreign policy" is a illusion since we are a small landlocked country and we have to obey Brussels in critical questions such as a the sanctions against RU.
Norway has simillar issue - they aren't EU country, but they must implement many EU laws to just have desired amount of trade with EU.

In this case it is just stupid to be outside EU - EU member can in someway at least try to change law and will take part in creating it, but Norway/Swiss can only say "yes" in negotiations about EU relations. They are outsiders.
 
You must be high. If you're a German that's blatant propaganda and if you're not let a German tell you that your image of the German resourcefulness is completely off. There will NEVER be any Leopard I or II tanks in a significant number supplied to Ukraine. Let alone being replaced and serviced.

"Up the number"? The only number that is going up in Germany is the number of shitskins and Ukies begging for gibs.

If you look for support look elsewhere. Our politicians are big on announcements but lack in substance to come through with their promises.
Hate to break it to you buddy but Germany has an arms industry that has made a lot of money selling Leopard 1s and 2s to other countries, there most certainly are large numbers sitting in army warehouses around Europe along with spare parts and infrastructure for service which is how various German companies have made a lot of money over the last 50 years. There are more Leopard 2s outside Germany than inside, and half the Leopard 1s in existence are sitting in warehouses in Germany doing nothing. Scholz has been buck broken by the US in record time, saying no export license approval from other countries one day then yes go ahead the next, and Germany will gib its own the day after. The German government will do whatever the Pentagon tells it to.
 
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