Carnivore Diet / Ancestral Living / Lion Diet - Food abominations, pseudoscience and cholesterol problems galore!

Oh man I heard about these guys from August the Duck's channel. This is good stuff, these people are weird. One video that sticks out in my mind is this women who drank chicken broth every morning in lieu of coffee. It didn't even look like good chicken brother, either, it was all gelatinous. Gross.
 
Tfw this Carnivore soup is more cereal than the carnivore cereal

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This looks unbelievably and sickeningly rich.

1 pound of sausage, kinda salted
2 cups of homemade bone broth
1 cup of cream cheese
1 tablespoon of sour cream
add some more salt I guess if your dumbass wants some kind of flavor that isn't meat and cream
funnel this shit into your gullet

This is the advanced form of chaffles with less benefits. This has to be a single serving too.
 
Liver King is a snake-oil reprobate propped up by small, illegitimate businesses to sell their scam protein supplements. He claims that his net worth is 100mil+

This is from google and just the tip of the iceberg. Someone should find all the companies he supposedly owns. (And include dox in the OP)

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One day soon someone will input all of this scam content into an off-the-shelf "AI" package and sell "Grift as a Service" (GaaS). You click on the "Carnivore" button and the software creates a fake influencer who posts about their diet and links viewers to your scam supplements.
 
Every group will have people trying to take advantage of those seeking to better themselves. Some benefit from primary carnivore and vegetarian diets but everything comes with moderation and balance. Mix in exercise and you can get much better results.
Will it "cure" any conditions, no because that would indicate if you stopped it would also be gone. Will it minimize symptoms, sure it could but we should approach those at the individual level rather than blanket everyone should do this.
I'm a fan of exposing the frauds (Liver king types) and leaving the people living their lives and talking about how it helped them.
I refer people to a dietician, nutritionist, D.O. Make sure they all don't just affirm you, you need push back to find that middle ground. Go into it knowing the risk and possible benefits.
 
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The horrors of a balanced diet!
Egad! is that a slice of bread?!
A strawberry?!

Keep it away from me!
don't let the carbs near me!

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The notion that obese diabetics are eating the balanced diet their doctor recommends, lol.
Open that outer anal sphincter then. I've done my part
Anyway, another food abomination courtesy of carnivorecringe on ig

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These carnivore alternative meals are giving me a fucking headache just looking at them. Anyone who eats that should be institutionalised.
 
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@Corporate Gigachad OP is so... not very good, I don't know where to start... but I'll at least try to counter a few key points.

>You could consider them the equivalent of cringe vegans, just that they eat meat instead.

No you can't. Veganism is a lifestyle where the main focus is animal welfare, carnivory is purely a diet where the main focus is optimal nutrition and health. Apple and orange.
It really shows how you really don't understand the subject.

>Liver King, Saladino

Neither of them is carniove, keto or even low-carb. LK is a paleo advocate grifter and Saladino is a sugar addict who fell from his grace.

It's disingenuous to bring up irrelevant people as if they are the prime representatives of the group. It's like treating Batista (eats meat) or Vegan Gains (literal retard) as a prime example of vegans, instead of guys like Russel Brand.

Just fyi, LK was laughed at right from the get go because it was painfully obvious he was ripping off Mark Sisson not to mention the roid physique, and Saladino has been totally shit on because dude is obsessed with consuming insane amount (200g, specifically) fructose which is the worst type carb that fattens the liver and glycate protein (ie promote aging) super fast.


>This may be because a strict carnivore diet is essentially an elimination diet, and so if a person has any sensitivities or allergies to gluten, soy, etc, their condition won’t be triggered, but it won’t be cured.

Remission is still better than no remission or endless medication which almost always involves side effects. What's your solution? Eating banana and pray to God?

>They’ll also claim that somehow, no matter how much animal fat you eat, it won’t cause issues with heart disease or anything.

Misrepresentation.
Their main claim is how elevated LDL (from SFA consumption) is associated but not causal to heart diseases.
Cholesterol are basically like firefighters, more firefighters doesn't necessarily mean there are more fires, especially when you can't see actual fires (inflammations, damaged tissues, actually clogged arteries, etc), that's the gist of the story.
I really recommend you to look into recent studies. Not some random comments on the internet.

>It turns out eating high-fat, high-cholesterol and low fibre is generally not a good idea.

High fat consumption is indeed a bad idea when you eat high carb foods too due to Randle cycle (which ultimately promotes inflammation), and currently available studies are based on observational (that's another can of worms but I digress) studies where they observe people who eat mixed macro diet. There is no evidence or even mechanical explanation why high fat is bad when carbs are absent/low.

As for dietary cholesterol, it's basically irrelevant because the body crap out the excess. If cholesterol is inherently bad, we should die from a stroke at young age because brain is mainly cholesterol. (cf Dietary Cholesterol and the Lack of Evidence in Cardiovascular Disease, for how evidence is lacking)

As for fiber, constipation for low-carb eaters (which include vegetarians) eaters typically happens as a result of electrolyte imbalance. No or low carb => water excretion and electrolytes => loss of water in the gut. To counter this, you have to take enough electrolytes in the early stage, not just water. But lots of people don't do that because they believe salt is bad.
Also, don't you think it's strange some people resolve constipation when they remove fiber from their diet.
Fyi, Humans are so poor at digesting fiber we don't even have a gorilla-like cecum. I really recommend you to look into how human digestive system works, compared to herbivorous animals or truly omnivorous animals (but not facultative carnivores like dogs).


Overall, I gotta say that's a very poor attempt of a hit piece. The lack of knowledge/understanding about nutrition and physiology is painfully obvious. Also, it feels almost malicious you brought up irrelevant people as if they are the prime examples.
It would be okay-ish if you remove your personal speculations and just focus on (self-claimed) carnivore lolcows' lolcow behaviors instead, but even then you failed to mention the biggest cow (Frank Tufano).
 
*sigh*
@Corporate Gigachad OP is so... not very good, I don't know where to start... but I'll at least try to counter a few key points.

>You could consider them the equivalent of cringe vegans, just that they eat meat instead.

No you can't. Veganism is a lifestyle where the main focus is animal welfare, carnivory is purely a diet where the main focus is optimal nutrition and health. Apple and orange.
It really shows how you really don't understand the subject.

>Liver King, Saladino

Neither of them is carniove, keto or even low-carb. LK is a paleo advocate grifter and Saladino is a sugar addict who fell from his grace.

It's disingenuous to bring up irrelevant people as if they are the prime representatives of the group. It's like treating Batista (eats meat) or Vegan Gains (literal retard) as a prime example of vegans, instead of guys like Russel Brand.

Just fyi, LK was laughed at right from the get go because it was painfully obvious he was ripping off Mark Sisson not to mention the roid physique, and Saladino has been totally shit on because dude is obsessed with consuming insane amount (200g, specifically) fructose which is the worst type carb that fattens the liver and glycate protein (ie promote aging) super fast.


>This may be because a strict carnivore diet is essentially an elimination diet, and so if a person has any sensitivities or allergies to gluten, soy, etc, their condition won’t be triggered, but it won’t be cured.

Remission is still better than no remission or endless medication which almost always involves side effects. What's your solution? Eating banana and pray to God?

>They’ll also claim that somehow, no matter how much animal fat you eat, it won’t cause issues with heart disease or anything.

Misrepresentation.
Their main claim is how elevated LDL (from SFA consumption) is associated but not causal to heart diseases.
Cholesterol are basically like firefighters, more firefighters doesn't necessarily mean there are more fires, especially when you can't see actual fires (inflammations, damaged tissues, actually clogged arteries, etc), that's the gist of the story.
I really recommend you to look into recent studies. Not some random comments on the internet.

>It turns out eating high-fat, high-cholesterol and low fibre is generally not a good idea.

High fat consumption is indeed a bad idea when you eat high carb foods too due to Randle cycle (which ultimately promotes inflammation), and currently available studies are based on observational (that's another can of worms but I digress) studies where they observe people who eat mixed macro diet. There is no evidence or even mechanical explanation why high fat is bad when carbs are absent/low.

As for dietary cholesterol, it's basically irrelevant because the body crap out the excess. If cholesterol is inherently bad, we should die from a stroke at young age because brain is mainly cholesterol. (cf Dietary Cholesterol and the Lack of Evidence in Cardiovascular Disease, for how evidence is lacking)

As for fiber, constipation for low-carb eaters (which include vegetarians) eaters typically happens as a result of electrolyte imbalance. No or low carb => water excretion and electrolytes => loss of water in the gut. To counter this, you have to take enough electrolytes in the early stage, not just water. But lots of people don't do that because they believe salt is bad.
Also, don't you think it's strange some people resolve constipation when they remove fiber from their diet.
Fyi, Humans are so poor at digesting fiber we don't even have a gorilla-like cecum. I really recommend you to look into how human digestive system works, compared to herbivorous animals or truly omnivorous animals (but not facultative carnivores like dogs).


Overall, I gotta say that's a very poor attempt of a hit piece. The lack of knowledge/understanding about nutrition and physiology is painfully obvious. Also, it feels almost malicious you brought up irrelevant people as if they are the prime examples.
It would be okay-ish if you remove your personal speculations and just focus on (self-claimed) carnivore lolcows' lolcow behaviors instead, but even then you failed to mention the biggest cow (Frank Tufano).
A hit dog hollers?
 
Liver King is a snake-oil reprobate propped up by small, illegitimate businesses to sell their scam protein supplements. He claims that his net worth is 100mil+

This is from google and just the tip of the iceberg. Someone should find all the companies he supposedly owns. (And include dox in the OP)

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He was doxxed? I didn't know about that, but at the same time i considered him a relatively small part of the community as a whole
A hit dog hollers?
What exactly do you mean by this?
 
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You can't possibly think you'll get all your nutrients from animal carcass alone.
You can, while you can't cover all the essential nutrients from plants because we can't synthesize B12 like other herbivores/omnivores do.
The real question is, if 100% animal product diet is good for longevity (not just for survival), which no one have a clear-cut answer to.
 
You can, while you can't cover all the essential nutrients from plants because we can't synthesize B12 like other herbivores/omnivores do.
The real question is, if 100% animal product diet is good for longevity (not just for survival), which no one have a clear-cut answer to.
I guess the other "real question" is, is it optimal? From various perspectives, can an average person afford it? You might not get scurvy, but is an optimal amount of vitamin C or whatever being absorbed? Would physical performance be impacted by the lack of carbs? Would banning various favorite foods be eating disorder fuel? Etc. If im not wrong carnivoremd was vegan, then went strict carnie, then realized that the lack of carbs was tanking his testosterone, which is why he now eats fruit and honey. Derek Moreplatesmoredates made a video on it, i think this is it

Speaking of Derek Moreplatesmoredates, here he talks about someone who claimed calories dont matter om carnie
 
From the r/carnivorediet subreddit:
URL: https://www.reddit.com/r/carnivorediet/comments/115dua2/30_day_review/
Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/2023021...carnivorediet/comments/115dua2/30_day_review/
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Someone doesn't understand how vinegar works. Wouldn't stomach acid be enough? Also worth noting that vinegar is pretty much inherently plant based.
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"You arent getting enough fat!" Op said they were eating fatty steak and ground beef with extra butter. How much more?
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As above, "You need to do it longer" OP is already 4 weeks deep. How much longer are we supposed to go?
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Love me ancestral diet, love me water, 'ate seed oils.
Simple as.

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> It's just carnitards pretending anyone opposed to their retarded fad are vegans to shift attention from how incredibly unhealthy that diet is to elsewhere
Yeah, pretty much. A lot of the slapfighting and counterarguments in this thread boil down to "but veganism bad!" and "but meat halthy!" which only justify not being vegan but don't actually support carnivorism
Yeah, gimmie a reason why I can't just be a lacto-vegetarian, just like, i don't know, half a billion indians?
Or maybe tell me why meat being healthy justifies making it 90% of your diet.

Love me a good scrap though.
Yeah, that happens. "OMG keto/veganism/carnie is so good, my health went up!" My brother in christ, you were living on mcdonalds before this.
 
I cannot believe this whole movement is basically a Filthy Frank joke come to life.
Anyway what is it with these fucked up diet people saying that all the illness that happens to them after they start is just a detox? Reminds me of those aged pee weirdos who would insist that their infections were ackshually a detox and all the pus meant it was working.
 
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