Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Behold, your average online zigger:
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What is the fucking rational from liberals at this point that still support him? Why the fuck are we being dragged into a foreign war when our instastructure is literally failing, food is through the roof, the economy is shit, and tensions are higher than ever before? Has Biden even addressed Ohio ?

What a fucking awful president. holy fuck
Well our gracious western leaders through a combination of strategic incompetence and maliciousness have wagged the dog for Russia to attack Ukraine.
Biden is highly incompetent and thankfully everyone from trump to meloni of the far right understand the fact that Russia is not to be trusted.
That being said the ball is in Russia's court, and Ziggers are going to neg rate, whine and argue muh Russia will take Odessa in the next few weeks, then Moldova will join glorious nova royssia and Nafo faggot shills will be BTFOd!!!
Kyiv(kiev) was a faint, Kharkiv was distraction, Kherson was an orderly withdrawal, Bakhmut will fall any day now, two more weeks,
Jannies will not happy with you.
I think the Jannies here are more reasonable then the pro Russia thread.
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Bradleys are in country. Can't wait to see these things racking kills like we're back in Desert Storm.
Hmmm strikers, Bradley's, leopard 2s and Abrams coming to Ukraine as well as newer American artillery systems, I can't wait to see what the combat footage is going to look like.
Bro, they're literally right-leaning
It depends the people who are pro Russia are both sides of the aisle as well as pro Ukraine people.

The people who support Ukraine

From the left - Neoliberals, progressive types, democrat establishment figures, europhiles.

From the right - Neo-cons, European nationalists, racial nationalist's who see Russian eurasianism as a threat to European identity.

The people who support Russia

From the left - Islamists who want to hurt the west, third worlders, Tankies who believe this is a Russian war against western backed fascists, Marxists in general.

From the right - Maga/Q people (the ones who lost their minds), disaffected right wingers who want to get back at their respective anglo governments for stamping out right wing decent, Some anti war libertarian types who took Russian propaganda at its word.
 
Okay you got me there they're literally leaning to the right. But jokes aside They're just at the spot where Tankie and conspiracy theorist meet.
To be a Z-tard one has to be mentally deficient, so it's a given. It makes absolute sense that we see horseshoe theory materialize in reality, because extremists are generally retards to begin with.
I do find it funny that "anti-war" people are sporting Russian flags.
 

What is the fucking rational from liberals at this point that still support him? Why the fuck are we being dragged into a foreign war when our instastructure is literally failing, food is through the roof, the economy is shit, and tensions are higher than ever before? Has Biden even addressed Ohio ?

What a fucking awful president. holy fuck
None of which would be addressed whatsoever by the equipment and supplies sent to Ukraine. If you want to bring down inflation, you have to keep raising interest rates and reducing the money supply.

Which means the economy will go to shit in the short term because of the colossal malinvestment caused by over a decade of ZIRP and QE. There's no way out of the disaster the Fed created aside from pain.

Also what about the infrastructure bill Biden signed in November 2021? The one 200 of 213 Republicans in the House voted against? Let's be honest, Trump and the Republicans did jack shit to address any of this as well. All he cared about was the stonks and putting his name on those shitty checks that have cost everyone far more than the pittance they received.
 
To be a Z-tard one has to be mentally deficient, so it's a given. It makes absolute sense that we see horseshoe theory materialize in reality, because extremists are generally retards to begin with.
I do find it funny that "anti-war" people are sporting Russian flags.
Anti war for many people within the US means I oppose whatever the current administration/regime (take your pick) supports.

If this was WW2 these people would unironically support the Nazis and say we're being aggressive to Hitler.
None of which would be addressed whatsoever by the equipment and supplies sent to Ukraine. If you want to bring down inflation, you have to keep raising interest rates and reducing the money supply.
Blame the fed and people do forget sending arms often gets labeled as Sending money. When most times were just shipping old arms that will cost three million for a new tank and etc....
Also what about the infrastructure bill Biden signed in November 2021? The one 200 of 213 Republicans in the House voted against?
I mean the 2021 infrastructure bill was a bad bill. It had less to do with infrastructure (it was pork barrel projects) and more to add in all new infastructure needs to have surveillance, and workers have to be vaccinated in the clear app. ((The bill in of itself was a bad bill full of pork barrel proposals and fake and gay legislation on vaccine mandates, guns, and private property.))
 
Anti war for many people within the US means I oppose whatever the current administration/regime (take your pick) supports.

If this was WW2 these people would unironically support the Nazis and say we're being aggressive to Hitler.
Would this be the same people who’d look at WWII and say “the wrong side won”?
 
Would this be the same people who’d look at WWII and say “the wrong side won”?
I mean you can ask banderites that same question too. But jokes aside most of these people who are pro Russia do somewhat believe the Nazi line unless you're feline surpremacist who is anti Nazi yet Azoz isn't Nazi either.
Yes. Who then defend Russia's invasion as necessary to "de-Nazify" Ukraine.

There's no logic to it, it's basically strongman dictator good.
It's more so west is bad because we've been brainwashed to believe that.
The left in the west loves the EU but hates western civilization.
The right in the west love western civilization but hate the EU. It's not hard to see alliances change yet again.
 
Yes. Who then defend Russia's invasion as necessary to "de-Nazify" Ukraine.
The only time I’ve heard that is to throw the “leftists are fighting Nazis” line from 2016 back at the left. As in “Oh, you say you’re fighting Nazis? Well, Russia is fighting the Nazis that make up the forces you champion in Ukraine. Checkmate, liberals”.
 
There's no logic to it, it's basically strongman dictator good.
More like "oppose currente thingu".

And most important thing for ameriyankees on Internet: most what you will read in context of eurosperging is written from non-mainstream political views. In nearly all european countries is present multiparty system, and the bad prt of it is 'when you cannot win in election (or at least take some seats in parliament) then go to the Internetz and soath'.

So when you read spergin about EU/european/one of countries politics remember: probably what you read is a exotic politic view, nothing mainstream. Nor from big opposition parties view, nor rulling parties. It is more probable that you will meet someone from AfD or Die Linke (small parties with not more than ~20% of seats in Bundestang - counting together) than SPD or CSU/CDU (let's say equivalents of GOP and donkey party in USA).
 
The US Air Force has a vested interest in seeing the A-10 die. Its inter agency politics sadly. The US Army has such a love affair with the A-10 they want to keep it and make it an Army platform like the AH-64's. Which is a bridge too far for the Air Force who will not tolerate the ground pounders having fixed wing aircraft. The A-10 remains a drain for the air force in the interim. It does not, ostensibly, have a role, and they want to get rid of it for their next generation wunderwaffen F-35's which can do literally everything and anything. So they say.

Personally I think there is deep concern in the Air Force that the Ukraine War is precisely the war an A-10 is meant to fight. A flying tank capable of massacring infantry with BRRT, and dropping heavy ordinance on tanks at range? Its ideal. Which is why the US will never give Ukraine A-10's. The last thing the US Air Force wants is their most hated platform getting more good press, after they went to all the trouble to finally killing the program. The A-10 is cursed with something the US Air Force can never forgive. They were forced to put...pilots...in the things because the...ugh...ARMY...insisted they keep it. Gross and icky. Every good air force general washes his hands the moment the A-10 is even mentioned.

Or the exact opposite? I thought your text was going to lean to the fact that they would be sending it to Ukraine to discredit it and get rid of it. A-10s are really vulnerable in this scenario, with both sides packed with AA and a very contested airspace
 
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Or the exact opposite? I thought your text was going to lean to the fact that they would be sending it to Ukraine to discredit it and get rid of it. A-10s are really vulnerable in this scenario, with both sides packed with AA and a very contested airspace
The Su-25 has been used pretty heavily in the war and it performs a very similar role, they just have to fly low.
 
Or the exact opposite? I thought your text was going to lean to the fact that they would be sending it to Ukraine to discredit it and get rid of it. A-10s are really vulnerable in this scenario, with both sides packed with AA and a very contested airspace
I'd say it's just as vulnerable as the Su-25. They could be shipped to replace frogfoot losses with the benefit of being able to mount modern Western PGMs. I'd ship them without GAU-8 ammo just to minimize foolish use of the system. I'd assume they have a shit ton of usable airframes at the boneyard to save money.
 
More like "oppose currente thingu".

And most important thing for ameriyankees on Internet: most what you will read in context of eurosperging is written from non-mainstream political views. In nearly all european countries is present multiparty system, and the bad prt of it is 'when you cannot win in election (or at least take some seats in parliament) then go to the Internetz and soath'.

So when you read spergin about EU/european/one of countries politics remember: probably what you read is a exotic politic view, nothing mainstream. Nor from big opposition parties view, nor rulling parties. It is more probable that you will meet someone from AfD or Die Linke (small parties with not more than ~20% of seats in Bundestang - counting together) than SPD or CSU/CDU (let's say equivalents of GOP and donkey party in USA).
My perspective was for the American ones, there are definitely people simping for these authoritarians who view them as some kind of better alternative for the world. FFS some of them even defend China of all places.

Seems like we need to bring back the HUAC.
 
I'd say it's just as vulnerable as the Su-25. They could be shipped to replace frogfoot losses with the benefit of being able to mount modern Western PGMs. I'd ship them without GAU-8 ammo just to minimize foolish use of the system. I'd assume they have a shit ton of usable airframes at the boneyard to save money.

Ah, well alright. I just referred to basic knowledge and mimicing alot of what i've heard. Has the Su-25 been that active in this war tho? I thought that both air support missions and air supremacy missions over the actual battlefield has been limited
 
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