Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

ngl coming here to cry about what vatnigs and russiaboos said in another thread is kinda cringe
What if they're literally retarded and I want to laugh at them.
@CuzinEd



That was due to a prediction that if Europe had a colder winter than usual. The people attempting to save money on heating, especially the old, such a small temperature drop for the elderly dramatically increases the chance for a respriatory issue. And could lead to death. If there was a colder winter they projected over 100,000 deaths.

Luckily, though that didn't happen. But they'll keep dropping domestic oil/gas output to get better ESG scores. Which will continue to increase energy prices.
I mean you're right but also European countries essentially bought up as much of their reserves for natural gas. You did see some suffering but simply paying marginal rates from suppliers while it will increase prices and make things more expensive it doesn't mean necessarily everyone in Europe will simply freeze to death.
As for the ESG scores and domestic natural gas production this war might bring out an end to ESG. ESG can only work when you have Access to china as the world's factory. The sanctions that are coming in and the current war in Ukraine is accelerating the decoupling process between china and the US economy. NAFTA 2.0 is already accelerating that process.
The elites concerned about climate change and electronic vehicles are about to get a real goods shock.
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The US simply has to get the political willpower to turn the taps back on. Biden being a puppet that has begun to happen. The people like AOC and the squad are being taken off is committees because they post a bigger risk to national security then MTG/JD Vance are proposing. For the most part they're on board even if not for the forever war thing.
If you know anything about the Obama years this administration basically let fracking go ahead.
First you throw out crypto-Biden talking points, now you are throwing out crypto-Fauci/Ferguson talking points...
Look honestly it sounds more like the Duran talking points.
Yes thats right. That's all we are here, mouthpieces for particular ideologies. Not people.
Okay....???
 
@CuzinEd
That was due to a prediction that if Europe had a colder winter than usual. The people attempting to save money on heating, especially the old, such a small temperature drop for the elderly dramatically increases the chance for a respriatory issue. And could lead to death. If there was a colder winter they projected over 100,000 deaths.
Luckily, though that didn't happen. But they'll keep dropping domestic oil/gas output to get better ESG scores. Which will continue to increase energy prices.
Don't worry too much about Europe and our heating.
We will simply take over the vatnik reserves after we win the war and visit Moscow.
All will be fine.
 
As for the ESG scores and domestic natural gas production this war might bring out an end to ESG. ESG can only work when you have Access to china as the world's factory. The sanctions that are coming in and the current war in Ukraine is accelerating the decoupling process between china and the US economy. NAFTA 2.0 is already accelerating that process.
The elites concerned about climate change and electronic vehicles are about to get a real goods shock.

Yeah it appears the idea the US would never lose economic or dollar Hegemony is falling into doubt. That's why it's so important for the US to annihilate the Russian forces. To prove they can still protect their interests.

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But I've not even heard of even rumors they are willing to put their own NATO people on the ground yet? Have you guys heard anything?
 
Don't worry too much about Europe and our heating.
We will simply take over the vatnik reserves after we win the war and visit Moscow.
All will be fine.
I mean Europe won't freeze literally but it's economy will probably never recover. There is a difference in getting dirt cheap natural gas and having to pay marginal rates.
Yeah it appears the idea the US would never lose economic or dollar Hegemony is falling into doubt. That's why it's so important for the US to annihilate the Russian forces. To prove they can still protect their interests.

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But I've not even heard of even rumors they are willing to put their own NATO people on the ground yet? Have you guys heard anything?
Yeah I'm fairly sure this war is to keep the Petro dollar in hand. As for China no one wants the Yuan not even China as a reserve currency. The Euro or Yen have more economic potential at replacing the dollar as a world hegemonic currency. The United States has no need to regime change Brussels or Tokyo the respective elites dine with eachother and know each other by first names in some cases.
Outside of volunteers, some Special operations guys, and advisors/trainers there isn't much of NATO on the ground right now. China can't really afford any war as they're dealing with an ongoing genocide in one provence, escalating border conflicts with India, and internal strife. Now they can make arms and ammo as a way to prop up employment and keep the populace busy. Because even the Chinese realize that bread and circuses keeps a populace docile.
 
By the way, that's the reason why China will never ever join START.
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If we see a long-term commitment to a Chinese model in Russian strategic missiles deployment, then it's bad news for the US. Russia acts as a nuclear shield for China (until they build enough ICBMs), but our nuclear forces are vulnerable to first disarming strike. Adopting Chinese approach will make them extremely resilient.

China won't join start because their longest range missiles are classed as Medium Range missiles, the most heavily controlled because of the possibility for false launch detections. (In short: ICBMs are long range with high trajectories and flight times that mean you don't need to mash the "RETALIATE" button the minute you think they are in the air. You've got at least 30 minutes for validation before you need to launch your retaliation. Short-range missiles you DO need mash the retaliate button as soon as they're in the air, but they have to be deployed near where they're going to hit - that shoud be close enough to for observers to visibly confirm launch.
But Intermediate range missiles have the ability to be placed far enough away from your borders they can't been spotted, and short enough flight times that any counter strike needs to be launched nearly immediately)

US second-strike is incredibly powerful. just the SSBNs would be able to destroy Russia and China as countries, and that's forgetting not only are US silos designed to survive hits, Russian targeting is utter fucking garbage.

Hopefully this results in a new round of silo building so I can buy one of the new retired ones.

ohh great so it's WW3 then we'll I guess if I die in a nuclear hellfire I'll be sure to realize it was because of a president who poops themselves and a manlet in Russia had to escalate the war.
Thanks Obama.

Airlifts? Cant they just do what they currently do when bringing in supplies to keep the units going

I bet they could secure a safe passage fairly easy if it meant they they stopped the occupation
Russia has absolutely abysmal airlift capability. They have a paratroop corp to drop off soldiers but their ability to keep them supplied pretty much non-existent.
 
Yes thats right. That's all we are here, mouthpieces for particular ideologies. Not people.
Nah, I just find it funny that in an attempt to paint Russia meat grinder'ing its armed forces for meters of turf (at best) as a somehow losing or unsustainable war by the US you end up spitting out pro establishment-left talking points

Yeah it appears the idea the US would never lose economic or dollar Hegemony is falling into doubt. That's why it's so important for the US to annihilate the Russian forces. To prove they can still protect their interests.

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But I've not even heard of even rumors they are willing to put their own NATO people on the ground yet? Have you guys heard anything?
>failed to force the capitulation of the Ukrainian state
>failed to establish air superiority
>failed to take Kiev
>failed to take Mykolaiv
>failed to take Kharkiv
>got their flagship BTFO'd by a truck
>bogged down before they could reach Zaporizhzhia
>lost most of Kharkiv Oblast in a yuge rapid counter-offensive
>lost Kherson in a slow strangulation
>still haven't even taken Bakhmut
>Putin "Oh yeah well at least our entire economy hasn't collapsed yet! NATO/Yanks/Hohols BTFO!!!"
 
That was due to a prediction that if Europe had a colder winter than usual.
New Ice Age. Winters in Europe aren't cold usually.

The Euro or Yen have more economic potential at replacing the dollar as a world hegemonic currency.
Euro has no ambitions to be no 1 reserve currency. This shit is already making problems due to to big area even if we didn't count proxy currencies like CFA franc.
 
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Really good video showing the before and after of Ukrainian cities using satellite images.
Really puts things in perspective. And the Russians wonder why Ukraine is no longer in the mood for another round of talks in Minsk. For that matter, also why the US and the EU are no longer in the mood either. The best the Russians can hope for on that front is the US and EU will tell Ukraine to not do to Belgorod and Rostov what Russia did to Sumy and Mariople.
 
@CuzinEd



That was due to a prediction that if Europe had a colder winter than usual. The people attempting to save money on heating, especially the old, such a small temperature drop for the elderly dramatically increases the chance for a respriatory issue. And could lead to death. If there was a colder winter they projected over 100,000 deaths.

Luckily, though that didn't happen. But they'll keep dropping domestic oil/gas output to get better ESG scores. Which will continue to increase energy prices.
That isn't what I heard. All I heard was vatnigger retards cope posting about how Europeans would freeze to death if they didn't abandon the Ukrainian proxy war. Now winter is almost over, and no Europeans have turned into human popsicles as the Russians hoped.
 
One thing that I have always wonder those who support Russia in this war is the following:
What does Ukraine gain from getting closer to Russa instead of the west?
What does Russia provide that is better then the deal they would get in the west?
I have never gotten a good answer to this.
 
One thing that I have always wonder those who support Russia in this war is the following:
What does Ukraine gain from getting closer to Russa instead of the west?
What does Russia provide that is better then the deal they would get in the west?
I have never gotten a good answer to this.

Global homosex will destroy their culture and erase what makes them Ukrainian in service of rendering them all down into the same ideal consoomer of western goyslop. Whereas Russia will destroy their culture and erase what makes them Ukrainian in service of rendering them all down into the same ideal consoomer of Russian propaganda. This is better because it benefits Russia, you see.
 
Global homosex will destroy their culture and erase what makes them Ukrainian in service of rendering them all down into the same ideal consoomer of western goyslop. Whereas Russia will destroy their culture and erase what makes them Ukrainian in service of rendering them all down into the same ideal consoomer of Russian propaganda. This is better because it benefits Russia, you see.
Russia has a track record of brutally destroying nations, while the gays are at worst a stain on the West.
Personally, I'd take my chances outplaying the gays than siding with Mordor.
 
Of course, who else is going to engage with you other than the minority of incensed people who believe literally everything coming from one side or the other? They are the the most active due to their emotional investment. So due to your experience of interactions I guess you made a generalization that anyone expressing any support for Russia must be some lunatic that wants to marry Putin and have his babies.
Yeah, people being emotionally invested in the Ukraine Russia war are fucking weirdos. I am not emotionally invested. I just like world events and war porn. If there are people blowing each other up anywhere in the world I will watch. I am just an observer of the situation. To me it really doesn't matter if Ukraine wins, or Russia wins. Like most people in the West and the Russians I thought this would be over in a week or so and Russia would be occupying Ukraine and Zelensky would either be killed captured or flee the country. But that isn't how things went. It's not that I thought the Russian military was good and capable. I just didn't expect much from the Ukrainians. So that has been kind of a surprise.

I can understand if you live in Ukraine have family in Ukraine or whatever. But to get emotional about a war that doesn't involve you your country or anyone you know is just weird and cringey. I do feel sorry for the Ukrainians. I know what the Russians are capable of I know the kind of shit they do, and I know about their history especially when it comes to dealing with their Eastern European neighbors. I also think the Ukrainian's have as much right to fight back as anyone. But I wouldn't be using a Ukrainian avatar and flying a Ukrainian flag on my house.

But I can see what's going on in Ukraine and from what I see the Russians are losing. The Russians have failed spectacularly at everything they have tried to do. It's just been one failure after another for them. For people to sit around and deny this is just as weird and cringey as the people who have Ukrainian flag avatars. Matter of fact it's cringey and weird for anyone to get emotionally involved for either side. The vatniggers are just as cringey as the Ukrainian flag avatar people. But the vatniggers score extra cringe points for acting like a bunch of mentally ill delusional retards. Every cope post from them is just as cringey as some Ukrainian flag avatar saying Slava Ukraini.

If anyone thinks Russia is going to walk away from this with any sort of victory you are a severely delusional. I would even say you should seek help.

I also don't blame all Russians for this. I also don't think every Russian soldier agrees with the war and wants to kill Ukrainians.
 
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I will have to admit I'd never seen a recent photo of Prigozhin before today. What an unfortunate looking specimen. If he had gotten into acting instead of psychopathy and murder for money he could have saved SFX teams millions by not needing any makeup or CGI to play a ghoulish monster.
Prigozhin is what you'll get if Nosferatu fucked Gollum, with the frosting of Goebbels and a Napoleon complex sprinkle on top.
 
@CuzinEd
Zeihan said with the US claiming Russia has committed war crimes there is no longer a diplomatic solution to the war at any level. Russia and Ukraine will have to fight it out. There isn't much of a chance Western companies will do business with Russia again any time soon. The Chinese are making noise that they might start helping Russia in some way. I don't think Zeihan means militarily. China could see sanctions put on them as well. I think China should have had some sanctions placed on them for the way they handled Covid. But it will be interesting to see what happens.
I have to put on welding glasses every time I watch his videos, the glow is so goddamn bright. Another major red flag is Zeihan's takes on nuclear energy and renewables. Even Wikipedia-tier "research" can deboonk his talking points on these subjects. So, either he swallowed mainstream narrative without analyzing it first or he pushes mainstream narrative to others.

His take on war crimes and companies leaving is also childishly naive. Those who left, left in Feb-Mar last year or left later due to sanctions or logistical/operational difficulties, not HECKIN' WARCRIMERINOOS. People are getting more desensitized, generating public outrage is getting progressively harder, plus remaining companies are less likely to fold to it.
To add cherry on top, Schlumberger is still here, their training and R&D facilities are still here, operated through a shell company. I wonder how many smaller and less known companies (esp. those not dealing with sanctioned goods and entities) bit the bullet, stayed and grabbed their competitors' market share. "Buy when the streets are covered in blood"
And it's one thing to sanction 2% of world economy (Russia), sanctioning 18% (China) would be another story. US can't even sanction Chinese fentanyl imports, Chinese spying phone apps and Chinese bribes for American universities (who, coincidentally, start dishing out chink propaganda to your future ruling class).

China won't join start because their longest range missiles are classed as Medium Range missiles, the most heavily controlled because of the possibility for false launch detections. (In short: ICBMs are long range with high trajectories and flight times that mean you don't need to mash the "RETALIATE" button the minute you think they are in the air. You've got at least 30 minutes for validation before you need to launch your retaliation. Short-range missiles you DO need mash the retaliate button as soon as they're in the air, but they have to be deployed near where they're going to hit - that shoud be close enough to for observers to visibly confirm launch.
But Intermediate range missiles have the ability to be placed far enough away from your borders they can't been spotted, and short enough flight times that any counter strike needs to be launched nearly immediately)
Are SRBMs and IRBMs even regulated by START? As far as I remember, there was a separate treaty, denounced by Trump admin. Anyway, China's hundreds of presumably fake missile silos and vast network of underground tunnels for transporting/storing their missiles and bombers are fundamentally incompatible with the START.
They may be building their own ICBMs right now (judging by their space program, technological capability is there) or have already built some and keep them hidden. Their strategic missile forces are super secretive, even when compared to other branches of PLA. US intelligence outlets admit they don't know how many IRBMs and warheads China has. Then, add a massive buildup of nuclear power plants to this.

US second-strike is incredibly powerful. just the SSBNs would be able to destroy Russia and China as countries, and that's forgetting not only are US silos designed to survive hits, Russian targeting is utter fucking garbage.
US have chosen first disarming strike as their doctrine in the 80s, China tries to counter that, first and foremost.
 
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Ukraine continually asking and receiving more gear, equipment, vehicles, ammunition and so on is no different from when England, USSR and rest of the Allies were doing during WWII. Major differences from WWII and earlier WWI to now is Russia can't do nothing to intercept and destroy the transport ships and aircraft going to Ukraine without risking escalating the war.

@tulskij_tochnyj SRBM and IRBM are covered either by START or another treaty. USA had shitcanned whole lot of nonnuclear capable designs onward to ready to enter mass produced missiles cause of USSR and later Russia kept throwing tard tantrums over the USA having anything that could be mistaken for a SRBM and IRBM.
 
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