Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Ghostse]

No currency has a chance at replacing the dollar, it's just silly

No one is going to put themselves at the mercy of Beijing. No one thinks communist chinks are going to be less fucky wucky than Americans. All they want is a system where they have way more advantages than Washington does, and everyone knows it. No one is going to get into a financial war with the US for the benefit of China when China is going to be in a decline in a decade that it won't be able to reverse for decades or even a century. The US is the only developed country that has a future where consistent growth is a possibility. Europe, Russia, China, they're all demographically fucked. All these shitholes south of the equator, please don't waste my time. India supapowa 2200!

i wouldn't say "never" however India still has English as an official language, as does Kenya, and they will never get rid of it.
The reason is because despite the fact neither country really liking England (just the gibs + ability to escape their shit shole and turn parts of london into shitholes) nor having any native english-speaking cultures, they are comprised of sizeable minority populations who view any attempt to make Hindi, or Swahili, the sole official language as attempts by the larger populations to erase minorities.
Or in other words, they hate the British but those other niggers are worse.

So any Chinese attempts to make the Yuan the new Pecunia Franca will be rightly viewed with suspicion. There will be crab-bucketing from Russia/Japan for "why not the Ruble/Yen?", no one who borders China is going want to hand the chinks anymore power than they've got.
Its sort of the same reason the Netherlands is still a monarchy: having something no one else can replicate (one dude who kicked a lot of ass, then then 500 years of cousin fucking) prevents power struggles. Everyone wants to replace the system, but mutual distrust prevents that because they want to replace the system to gain more power.

However, the world ended up dropping the English Pound when the English destroyed their financial system attempting to recover from WWI + america's neutrality in the early part of WWI (and Germany being open for business) +Trans-atlantic telegraph had shifted the world's financial center mass to New York. So its not impossible, but given how closely tied the world markets are now, when the US economy shits the bed, everyone else's market shit the bed even harder.

 

[DumbDude43]

The euro fails as even a regional currency. Because it has no central monetary policy. Remember When Portugal, Italy, greece and Ireland were going bankrupt a few years back. It was because they no longer had the ability to set any national monetary policies. So what would have been a minor economic dip, easily managed via adjustments to interest rates and a slight inflation, was blocked because Germany could never allow such things! With the result being a minor slump became a catastrophic economic crash. In the same way the Chinese Yuan has been artificially hard pegged by China to the dollar. The moment they unpeg it in an attempt to shift it to being an international reserve currency their currency and economy goes into free fall and the entire house of cards unwinds.

a lot of this euro fuckery is because it is an ideologically motivated political project first, economics is an afterthought at most.
these countries didn't decide to share a currency because it makes economic sense (it doesn't) but because their rulers all have grandiose dreams of a "united states of europe" superstate which would allow them to play superpower on the world stage. achieving that is their long term goal, having a unified currency was thought to be an important stepping stone towards that goal, so they pushed it through, consequences be damned.
and like you said, the consequences are ugly. on the one side weak economies can no longer freely control their monetary policy to fit their economic needs, on the other side strong economies are perpetually bled out by an intricate system of wealth transfer and debt sharing, which essentially result in a situation where germoney and france are paying off a significant portion of greece and portugals budget deficits and debt obligations every year. shit's retarded, but almost all euro politicians are all-in on the "EU SUPAPOWAH!" dream so it won't be going away.

 

[AgendaPoster]

OK, so American elites and intellectuals understand what is going on and what games are being played with their population.
The question is, what are the going to do about this? Because the corruption has set in quite deeply.

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Mildly interesting clip of an alleged unexploded HIMARS munition going through multiple layers of a building, and killing one. If you know the language you might be able to confirm what's going on.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

OK, so American elites and intellectuals understand what is going on and what games are being played with their population.
The question is, what are the going to do about this? Because the corruption has set in quite deeply.
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Mildly interesting clip of an alleged unexploded HIMARS munition going through multiple layers of a building, and killing one. If you know the language you might be able to confirm what's going on.
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They say it was a comms center, so good targeting on Ukrainians. They're lucky it didn't detonate, but God said "Fuck you in particular" to this one guy, it went through his legs as you can see and straight into the ground.
Didn't know these missiles were this sturdy.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

The reason is because despite the fact neither country really liking England (just the gibs + ability to escape their shit shole and turn parts of london into shitholes) nor having any native english-speaking cultures, they are comprised of sizeable minority populations who view any attempt to make Hindi, or Swahili, the sole official language as attempts by the larger populations to erase minorities.

English is also easy to learn if compared to french or most other languages.

And - it is veeery tolerable for errors. Look, my command of english is weak (B2+ on paper), but I thing at least 75-80%of my writtings are understand by kiwis. If you try to learn Bosnian to B2+ you wil waste a fucktone of time and will be in most cases still unable to comunicate actively.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

This is quite horrifying gamification of the war, and quite grotesque.

Which is why I posted it. A lot of people still don't understand that drone operators are killing Russians in realtime HD, and it's got to be every bit as personal as it would be were they snipers (if not more so); although zoomers seem to be uniquely suited for this type of warfare. And because it's so game-ified, it seems like they can turn off emotions/detach easier.

But it's especially going to suck for them when the fighting is over, and I hope they can hack later.

Mildly interesting clip of an alleged unexploded HIMARS munition going through multiple layers of a building, and killing one. If you know the language you might be able to confirm what's going on.
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Maybe an unexploded GLSDB, or at least that's what looks like is at the bottom of the hole. I don't think a standard unexploded HIMARS rocket could punch that far down without breaking apart.

And now for something completely different: Russians using a classic S-60 57mm AA gun against opposing trenches.

Besides the shiny brass, check out the loader.

 

[Snekposter]

They say it was a comms center, so good targeting on Ukrainians. They're lucky it didn't detonate, but God said "Fuck you in particular" to this one guy, it went through his legs as you can see and straight into the ground.
Didn't know these missiles were this sturdy.

Maybe an unexploded GLSDB, or at least that's what looks like is at the bottom of that hole. I don't think a standard unexploded HIMARS rocket could punch that far down without breaking apart.

You'd be surprised. The unitary warhead model was designed to take out vital targets, which necessarily includes the ability to punch all the way through a semi-reinforced structure to blow up the HQ unit hiding in the basement. Its no dedicated bunker buster, but Uncle Sam hates it when people try to hide from the sky falling in on them.

Heck, back in WW2 it was common to set mortar fuses on a slight delay so that if someone thought they could hide from them in a house by having the roof or upper floors set the shell off all they did was expose themselves to an airburst instead, never mind a 105mm or our preferred shell of choice for structure work, a 155mm.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Might be interesting

 

[Ookoo Squad]

You will never be a real nistria. You have no sovereignty, you have no indigenous population, you have no history. You are Moldovan clay twisted by communist social engineering into a crude mockery of a nation-state's legitimacy. All the "recognition" you get is sophistic and dishonest. Behind your back your masters mock you. Your "citizens" are disgusted and ashamed of you, your "allies" laugh at your ghoulish facade of independence behind closed doors.
World leaders are utterly repulsed by you. Hundreds of years of foreign affairs allows civilized states to sniff out puppet entities with incredible efficiency. Even "people's republics" that are recognized by certain permanent members of the UN Security Council look uncanny and unnatural to a diplomat. Your borders are a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to open an embassy in Moscow, your representatives will only repeat what Kremlin orders them to or they'll start falling out of windows. You will never exercise statecraft. Your local authorities wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell themselves they're valid members of the new eurasiatic multipolar world order, but deep inside they feel the forced reintegration into Moldova creeping up like a weed, ready to dismantle you under international supervision.
Eventually the political pressure will be too much to bear - you’ll get an ultimatum, Russia will cry about Nazis, peacekeeping forces will enter your territory and arrest your illegitimate government. The population will find themselves subjects of Moldova, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to continue the soviet LARP. They’ll redraw the maps and every cartographer for the rest of eternity will know a region of Moldova is located there. Your administration and culture will be decommunized, and all that will remain of your legacy is a memory of an absurd puppet state that was unmistakably not a real country.
This is your fate. This is what Russia chose. There is no turning back.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

The euro fails as even a regional currency. Because it has no central monetary policy.

It is even funnier: it is centralized body for monetary policy in eurozone but it is created by a unsane number of national representatives for national central banks.

And this shit isn't even covering all eurousers. When we take to account hardpegged proxy currencies like CFA - this didn't cover even half of users!

Euro was a good idea (to create bigger currencies in EU) but it never should be one currency from Portugal to Finland. Optimal it would be to divide Europe in several currency zones (1st zone: Germoney, Austria, Benelux, France, maybye Denmark and Swiss; 2nd zone: south countries; 3rd zone: Baltics and EU north slave countries etc.), which some grade of moderate pegging (for example: they are not in free exchange eatch other, but central banks are guaranting exchange without spread with exchange rate related to interest rates in each zone, with interest rates used to make crashes soft and fluffy). This sounds insane, but is less insane that present eurozone and parasite currencies.

 

[Ghostse]

Didn't know these missiles were this sturdy.

Its less that the rocket is particular sturdy and more that even well-built civilian housing is (comparatively) flimsy.

 

[LeChampion1992]

OK, so American elites and intellectuals understand what is going on and what games are being played with their population.
The question is, what are the going to do about this? Because the corruption has set in quite deeply.
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Mildly interesting clip of an alleged unexploded HIMARS munition going through multiple layers of a building, and killing one. If you know the language you might be able to confirm what's going on.
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In 2014 most Americans were distracted, most people were thinking about the next new thing, movie, games, and etc... Laughing at SJWs and Gamergate was at peak fame, American involvement in the middle east during Obama backfired and Americans rightfully did not want to get involved in a war with Russia.

Now I look back at Crimea I understand it from a logical perspective. It was relatively bloodless, Ukraines government had been in a state of limbo and there could have been negations that could have worked.

Looking at it now it's fairly clear that Putin's War was an inevitability.

 

[Thomas Talus]

Which is why I posted it. A lot of people still don't understand that drone operators are killing Russians in realtime HD, and it's got to be every bit as personal as it would be were they snipers (if not more so); although zoomers seem to be uniquely suited for this type of warfare. And because it's so game-ified, it seems like they can turn off emotions/detach easier.

But it's especially going to suck for them when the fighting is over, and I hope they can hack later.

It's tragic, but as far as total war outcomes go there are a lot worse things that could happen to teens and this means that there's less thin-stretching of the adult fighting population.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Its less that the rocket is particular sturdy and more that even well-built civilian housing is (comparatively) flimsy.

But it's reinforced concrete, though. Shitty soviet concrete maybe, but concrete nonetheless, and that's not bamboo in it like in chink buildings, but rebar. I suppose at the velocity these things fall with, it might as well be paper.

 

[LeChampion1992]

a lot of this euro fuckery is because it is an ideologically motivated political project first, economics is an afterthought at most.
these countries didn't decide to share a currency because it makes economic sense (it doesn't) but because their rulers all have grandiose dreams of a "united states of europe" superstate which would allow them to play superpower on the world stage. achieving that is their long term goal, having a unified currency was thought to be an important stepping stone towards that goal, so they pushed it through, consequences be damned.
and like you said, the consequences are ugly. on the one side weak economies can no longer freely control their monetary policy to fit their economic needs, on the other side strong economies are perpetually bled out by an intricate system of wealth transfer and debt sharing, which essentially result in a situation where germoney and france are paying off a significant portion of greece and portugals budget deficits and debt obligations every year. shit's retarded, but almost all euro politicians are all-in on the "EU SUPAPOWAH!" dream so it won't be going away.

Europe as a continent seems to be full of stories of where rulers get the idea they can force hundreds of different ethnicities and nearly 50+ languages to all be on the same page.

Unlike Russia which expanded it's rule in Eurasia through centuries of brute force and the United States which basically found a way to convince people of different ethnic stock to be "American." Europe Union project like a tranny who is desperate to seek validation. It will end in a smoldering failure, where the USSR collapsed due to economic mismanagement Europe will simply be bled dry by differing interests.

If anything the only way a successful united Europe project can really work is through the mass application of brute force, in 1940s Europe even if they won the war they had a hard time keeping the peace. Russia was able to bring a gun to a knife fight respectively in its conquests where Germany had to bring a panzer to a gunfight and a panzer can't enforce a curfew very well in tiny streets without angering the local populace into lynching the platoon when they're asleep and drunk.

Europe now is trying to create a bureaucratic superstate, where educated elites will decide all policy based on rational and human rights policy. Basically the fakest and gayest version of the USSR without any of the Russia is our friend nonsense.

 

[Ghostse]

In 2014 most Americans were distracted, most people were thinking about the next new thing, movie, games, and etc... Laughing at SJWs and Gamergate was at peak fame, American involvement in the middle east during Obama backfired and Americans rightfully did not want to get involved in a war with Russia.

Now I look back at Crimea I understand it from a logical perspective. It was relatively bloodless, Ukraines government had been in a state of limbo and there could have been negations that could have worked.

Looking at it now it's fairly clear that Putin's War was an inevitability.

As someone MATI MAEE&R since 2014:
Ukraine also got straight rolled, completely BTFO, an utter pantsing that was completely embarrassing. The country was a fucking mess. I will fault Obongo for a ton of shit that made the world less secure (one of them is "being a big enough pantywaist Putin figured [correctly] he could do it and get away with it) but not selling arms to Ukraine is something I don't fault him for since it looked pretty likely that they'd end up in Russian hands before long.
It was the least bad choice.

Was really only mad because I knew Putin was going to play fuck-fuck expansionist games again. And he picked Biden because he figured Biden would be as big of a pussy as Obama was, and Ukraine would be as much of a mess as it was in 2014.
He should have gotten his dick smacked when he fucked around in Georgia in 2008.

But it's reinforced concrete, though. Shitty soviet concrete maybe, but concrete nonetheless, and that's not bamboo in it like in chink buildings, but rebar. I suppose at the velocity these things fall with, it might as well be paper.

What things sticking out of it? I don't see any rebar. It went through a single roof, two wood(?) floors with peeling paint, and an aggregate concrete foundation right beside what looks like one of the support beams, and embedded in the basement floor which I can't tell if that's more concrete or compressed earth.

 

[LeChampion1992]

As someone MATI MAEE&R since 2014:
Ukraine also got straight rolled, completely BTFO, an utter pantsing that was completely embarrassing. The country was a fucking mess. I will fault Obongo for a ton of shit that made the world less secure (one of them is "being a big enough pantywaist Putin figured [correctly] he could do it and get away with it) but not selling arms to Ukraine is something I don't fault him for since it looked pretty likely that they'd end up in Russian hands before long.
It was the least bad choice.

Was really only mad because I knew Putin was going to play fuck-fuck expansionist games again. And he picked Biden because he figured Biden would be as big of a pussy as Obama was, and Ukraine would be as much of a mess as it was in 2014.
He should have gotten his dick smacked when he fucked around in Georgia in 2008.

The problem with appeasement is it always ends up feeding others so that you are eaten last. Trump argued crimea was a red line. Things were starting to calm down, border raids were starting to end, and things looked like they could normalize. With Biden there was severe appeasement and an eerie calm before the storm.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

Europe now is trying to create a bureaucratic superstate

Yes and no.

Current state of EU is a result of long evolution from starting point (euro is direct descendant of ecu which was quite successful). Main issue adressed in the begining in 1950s (to stop French and Germoney to kill each other over Lorraine and burn all that shithole called Europe for that reason) was succesfully resolved.

EU has no ambitions to create new ethnicity, more like to create parallel identifity as 'citizen of Europe', compatibile with local etnicities.

In most parts of Europe it is impossible to have functional state based on one etnicity and not being a shithole. So Europe in midterm must choose: or war and building empires with endless circle of birth-thrive-fall, or some way of confedering and cooperation. For first time we are trying the second option and it works (so Europeans have second generation not involved directly in large scale wars - it is something at this part of world that Rhine didn't see a battle for nearly 80 years).

Future will probably gave birth to EU with divided power - some thing will be ruled on national level (example: criminal codes), some on union level, some on regional/local level (EU is crazy about local governments sized similar to US counties or slighty bigger on basic level, but in most countries we have multiple layers of local gov.). Some thing needs to be fixed (euro, common defence and enforcement policy in some cases - I don't see any reason to have separate custom and border enforce agencies when whole EU is a single custom zone and, for example, borders between Germoney, Belgium and Poland are open like borders between US states with optional and temporal option for turn on border controls. Probably one EU army will not be possible or effective, but I can image quick response units in union command with still having natonal armies under control of national govs).

 

[mindlessobserver]

I think it was the absolute fiasco that happened in Afghanistan that convinced Putin he could get away with it.

 

[Thomas Talus]

Was really only mad because I knew Putin was going to play fuck-fuck expansionist games again. And he picked Biden because he figured Biden would be as big of a pussy as Obama was, and Ukraine would be as much of a mess as it was in 2014.

And Biden was in the process of being that big of a pussy, to the point of publicly saying that a little bit of an invasion wasn't anything to get worried about, until the Russian advance stalled out and suddenly it became apparent that there was a very real chance that US inaction could no longer be brushed off as "oh, we wouldn't have been able to do anything in time to make a difference."