Microsoft is fucking butthurt no one wants Windows 11 so they're stopping the sale of Windows 10 licenses this month

[Aidan]

Again, if you can tell me the correct way to select a boot option or double-click a desktop icon, I am open to suggestions. Those were the only two interactions I was able to have with the installation before it repeatedly failed - it's not like this was a long, involved process prone to error.

Maybe I have to tap the ISO just right like the Fonz.

Put it on a CD. Oh and go out and buy a CD drive, not a USB one but an internal optical drive. Tap it three times and pray to Saint IGNUcious for his blessings.

Can't really help and you're not visibly retarded so I'm sure you've done everything you're supposed to. But it is true for me that whenever people have said they have some "LINUX IS SHIT" problem when I'm physically able to help it ends up being something they did that ties back to not reading the manual. Not like I'm helping people with these things often, it's a set of ~20-30 incidents.

 

[Matt Damon]

But it is true for me that whenever people have said they have some "LINUX IS SHIT" problem when I'm physically able to help it ends up being something they did that ties back to not reading the manual. Not like I'm helping people with these things often, it's a set of ~20-30 incidents.

And in fairness to Linux as a whole, I never had this issue with any of the Debian/Ubuntu distros I've tried, so it seems to be specific to this distro (or maybe all Arch branches? I dunno).

But as a more overarching point, modern software has progressed enough that I really shouldn't have to RTFM for every little thing. It's rare on Windows even with shitty little one-man-band programs to have to consult an external guide to make it work - there are no hardware limitations anymore that necessitate cryptic options that require consulting documentation.

For Christ's sake, even my motherboard's BIOS is logically laid out and has built-in tooltips explaining what every option does.

 

[Fount of BadSpeak]

The general rule with Linux is to buy hardware from a reputed vendor who will install and support it for you. For example, a HPE Cray EX series comes preinstalled with their own customized SLES 15. It's rock-solid and guaranteed to work. Start with a $300K EX4000 liquid-cooled cabinet, and build from there.

Hmm, I have been wanting to get away from Windows since the 8 debacle, but now with 11 being even worse, maybe I will have to get this. I could just run Windows on a smaller harddrive if I needed to, right? Though to be honest I barely game anymore anyways so that's not really much of a concern.

No, you're predisposed to hate all things Linux and so have been cursed. It will never, ever, ever work for you because you don't believe in it.

You must pray to the Omnissiah and bless the machine with sacred ungents for the Linux spirit to work.

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Uh oh, canceled, you can't post the heckin racist's comics anymore!

 

[The Ugly One]

Hmm, I have been wanting to get away from Windows since the 8 debacle, but now with 11 being even worse, maybe I will have to get this. I could just run Windows on a smaller harddrive if I needed to, right? Though to be honest I barely game anymore anyways so that's not really much of a concern.

It depends on why you hate Windows 11. If you hate Windows 11 because the OS's thread management and intrinsic overhead mean your high-performance scientific codes don't deliver consistent compute times when running on a few thousand cores, I cannot recommend a Cray EX system running SLES enough. If you're annoyed by some of the UI changes, but mostly play games, SLES is worse for your use case in every conceivable way.

I don't really understand why people are crying so hard about Win 11 other than it not working on ancient systems. It's barely changed from Win 10 in terms of UI.

 

[Aidan]

Hmm, I have been wanting to get away from Windows since the 8 debacle, but now with 11 being even worse, maybe I will have to get this. I could just run Windows on a smaller harddrive if I needed to, right? Though to be honest I barely game anymore anyways so that's not really much of a concern.

I always recommend starting with a virtual machine and then if you find a distro you're willing to jump to then make the switch. Personally, dual booting has always been more hassle than it's worth to me, I'd use a Linux host and do hardware passthrough or have dedicated devices before dual booting.

 

[Spud]

I don't really understand why people are crying so hard about Win 11, It's barely changed from Win 10 in terms of UI.

I just don't want it and what's the point if nothings changed? Win 10 works just fine

 

[The Ugly One]

I just don't want it and what's the point if nothings changed? Win 10 works just fine

No reason to switch until using unmaintained software becomes a problem in itself.

 

[HarblMcDavid]

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I don't really understand why people are crying so hard about Win 11 other than it not working on ancient systems. It's barely changed from Win 10 in terms of UI.

TPM chip requirement. I understand one can get around it, but I fundamentally mistrust any OS that requires it as that implies many things.

 

[The Ugly One]

TPM chip requirement. I understand one can get around it, but I fundamentally mistrust any OS that requires it as that implies many things.

I bet the number of people who actually know what TPM does is a small fraction of the number of people who claim to be mad about it.

 

[Aidan]

I bet the number of people who actually know what TPM does is a small fraction of the number of people who claim to be mad about it.

Missing the point of concern.

 

[HarblMcDavid]

I bet the number of people who actually know what TPM does is a small fraction of the number of people who claim to be mad about it.

I didn't initially, so I looked it up.

And still couldn't figure out a charitable reason why they made it a requirement other than malicious or viciously anti-consumer reasons.

 

[Doppelmonger]

Update on my Manjaro adventure:

Ended up getting a older Lenovo Thinkpad for the small price of free. It was running Windows 10 Home, which I played around in and it was pretty sluggish. Downloaded Manjaro / KDE Plasma onto a thumbdrive, installed it, deleted my Windows partition etc.

Not only is this old as shit laptop running blazing fast but it kept all the drivers for the haptic pad, wifi adapter, mouse, bluetooth, battery meter, etc. This was a real surprise as the last time I fucked around with Linux (Mint) on a laptop, I couldn't get any of that working out of the box and the battery meter was especially a pain in the ass. Manjaro's GUI isn't that much different, I can still drag and drop shit onto the taskbar, just have to get used to using sudo again and shit.

Overall I'm satisfied and since this thing has more horsepower than the Chromebook I was originally going to get, I might try some light gaming with GOG or Steam. I think for just a casual machine for web surfing and watching dumb bullshit, this will work fine and I won't have to worry about whatever bullshit Microsoft telemetry.


EDIT: Just for transparency, I got Brave, Signal, and ProtonVPN installed and running fine on this thing. Brave was actually already in the repository.

Sorry for asking this late, what are the specs of your ThinkPad? And it is still holding up?

 

[White Devil]

Sorry for asking this late, what are the specs of your ThinkPad? And it is still holding up?

It's a 10 year old X240
Intel i5
4gb RAM
500gb SSD


It holds up fine, as I stated before I just use it for web surfing/email and youtube while in bed. Boots up as fast as my gaming PC, all the drivers work fine. I'm satisfied with my little Linux project.

 

[Puff]

Just so no one can say I didn't give Manjaro a fair shake, I tried it on a totally different computer. This time after boot, it displayed the mouse cursor, the task bar, and a completely black screen besides that. Nothing responded at all after letting it load for 15 minutes.

I officially cannot figure out any way to install this distro. Even Windows ME would install before it shit the bed.

I'm not sure if it was your goal, but you've successfully managed to illustrate the reasons Linux users are insufferable in about three pages. Good job.

 

[Matt Damon]

I'm not sure if it was your goal, but you've successfully managed to illustrate the reasons Linux users are insufferable in about three pages. Good job.

As I've said, Linuxfags will promise the world ("you can do anything with Linux!", "put it on your old hardware!", "it's great for grandma!") and the second a real person tries to act on that advice, they scatter like cockroaches ("you used the wrong hardware", "it's free, how dare you expect it to work", "well it works on my machine").

These people live in a world of theoretical computers, theoretically functional software, and theoretical solutions to theoretical problems. That is why desktop Linux is stagnant at <2% marketshare - its usage statistics perfectly mirror its utility to real-world users.

 

[White Devil]

As I've said, Linuxfags will promise the world ("you can do anything with Linux!", "put it on your old hardware!", "it's great for grandma!") and the second a real person tries to act on that advice, they scatter like cockroaches ("you used the wrong hardware", "it's free, how dare you expect it to work", "well it works on my machine").

These people live in a world of theoretical computers, theoretically functional software, and theoretical solutions to theoretical problems. That is why desktop Linux is stagnant at <2% marketshare - its usage statistics perfectly mirror its utility to real-world users.

I'm still puzzled why you had such a hard time. I don't even know how "the wrong hardware" can even be an excuse though.

That being said I just rebuilt my gaming PC and put Win 10 LTSC IoT on it aand had zero issues.

 

[Matt Damon]

I'm still puzzled why you had such a hard time. I don't even know how "the wrong hardware" can even be an excuse though.

I eventually got it running. After realizing that I couldn't set my monitor to its native 1600x900 and that creating a custom resolution with xrandr and actually SAVING that resolution to persist across restarts were two separate processes requiring two different sets of arcane command-line voodoo, I gave up.

Ain't nobody got time for that shit. I haven't had to fight basic desktop screen resolution issues on Windows since, what, Win 98?

 

[byuu]

this thread in a nutshell

 

[Samuel Hyde]

As I've said, Linuxfags will promise the world ("you can do anything with Linux!", "put it on your old hardware!", "it's great for grandma!") and the second a real person tries to act on that advice, they scatter like cockroaches ("you used the wrong hardware", "it's free, how dare you expect it to work", "well it works on my machine").

These people live in a world of theoretical computers, theoretically functional software, and theoretical solutions to theoretical problems. That is why desktop Linux is stagnant at <2% marketshare - its usage statistics perfectly mirror its utility to real-world users.

Linux is installed on many computers including Android and ChromeOS devices. Linux has the majority of the server market share with even Microsoft abandoning Windows on their Azure servers. Maybe it's just you and not the rest of the world?

 

[Matt Damon]

Maybe it's just you and not the rest of the world?

Well, it's at least me and >98% of desktop users.

Duh.