LDS Church acknowledges Joseph Smith was pedophile who married 14 year old girl in new essays on polygamy

SALT LAKE CITY — In a new series of essays, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints addresses its history of polygamy.

One essay acknowledges LDS Church founder Joseph Smith practiced polygamy, and married a girl who was just shy of her 15th birthday.

“Most of those sealed to Joseph Smith were between 20 and 40 years of age at the time of their sealing to him. The oldest, Fanny Young, was 56 years old. The youngest was Helen Mar Kimball, daughter of Joseph’s close friends Heber C. and Vilate Murray Kimball, who was sealed to Joseph several months before her 15th birthday,” the essay, published on the LDS Church’s website, said. “Marriage at such an age, inappropriate by today’s standards, was legal in that era, and some women married in their mid-teens.”

It also acknowledged that Smith married other men’s wives.

“Joseph Smith’s sealings to women already married may have been an early version of linking one family to another. In Nauvoo, most if not all of the first husbands seem to have continued living in the same household with their wives during Joseph’s lifetime, and complaints about these sealings with Joseph Smith are virtually absent from the documentary record,” the essay states.

The essays are the latest in a series of sometimes controversial topics the LDS Church has chosen to address about its history and practices. The church also posted a video about sacred temple garments in an effort to educate people.

The LDS Church no longer practices polygamy and excommunicates those who do. Utah abandoned the practice as a condition of statehood. A federal judge recently ruled part of the state’s polygamy ban violated First Amendment religious freedom rights.

There are an estimated 30,000 people who claim to be “fundamentalist Mormons,” which is a belief system that includes the practice of polygamy.

In one of the essays, the LDS Church acknowledges that it benefited from polygamy in the 19th century.

“For many who practiced it, plural marriage was a trial of faith. It violated both cultural and legal norms, leading to persecution and revilement,” the essay states. “Despite these hardships, plural marriage benefited the Church in innumerable ways.”

LDS Church acknowledges Joseph Smith married underage girl in new essays on polygamy

SALT LAKE CITY — In a new series of essays, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints addresses its history of polygamy. One essay acknowledges LDS Church founder Joseph Smith practiced polygamy, and married a girl who was just shy of her 15th birthday. “Most of those sealed to Joseph Smith we

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Oldie but goodie for our uppity Mormon friends who pretend to be moralfags. Joseph Smith was on the level of Muhammad honestly.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Wow you sure got me, like I'm embarassed about anything I said. lol How about responding to OP, or are you just going to never give you opinion like you usually do.

Imagine wasting energy hating on a religious ideology and its people you hate so deeply that you think digging up rough histories that even the church itself acknowledges was extremely rough even for the time and almost got them killed over as a "Got'cha, bitch!" will change anyone's minds. I just feel bad for the Smith's lineage, the heavy shadow of Joseph gave his own children complexes that continues to this day even though his work marched on without them.

And FWIW this happened in about the last year of Joseph's life, and Emma Smith wasn't a fan of it, either. She burned some important documents in response to it, but she didn't spend the rest of her life hating what her husband did. And there's no actual record that can be found that he ever sired children with them, let alone even consummated the marriages with the other wives, and they were free to marry someone else after Joseph died, but I don't know if they did or not. And far as I can tell, Emma was his one and only, and even in the next life, she'd still be the main matriarch. Eternity is a long time, whatever grievances she had in life may no longer apply by now.

Polygamy is not coming back (not even to appease Islam), and that's legit for the best, no point in getting mad over it. Hell, the church couldn't even get the law of consecration (the Kingdom of Heaven, basically) to work amongst itself because people are too human and imperfect for it to work. Polygamy (practiced by a small percentage of hand-picked members, originally) barely even worked out back then as the world had changed too much since biblical times for it to stick to the point laws ended up being legislated, and we can see the modern outcomes of that in the FLDS today. They got themselves in deep shit simply because the original founders a century prior threw a huge hissy fit over being commanded to stop practicing polygamy after God had previously given the a-okay simply because in the 1860s, two decades after Smith's death, America began declaring plural marriage illegal. It's almost like there's consequences for one's own actions when you break the law or something like that, whether it's man's law or God's law.

 

[Mothra1988]

I'll wait for you to discover all the horrible puppy mill and other animal abuse that the Amish commit.

I've been around Amish people since I was a child. If you are afraid of them because of whatever vegan propaganda you read from people who think animals are people, cool. Stay away from them and their areas. I'm fine with those places staying the way they are. lol

Everyone has hang ups over something, but it’s pretty bad form of @Mothra1988 to be so open about it. It shows weakness.

You went straight from “Joseph Smith is a pedo”to “why are there so many Mormons in the FBI/CIA?” Is it too hard to stay on your main point?

I like that you're getting real upset over the fact I brought up their presence in the CIA and FBI in specific.

You all want to know why there's a Mormon cartel in the alphabet agencies, it has to do with them having a high incidence of foreign language skills (from missions, doing a mission is more of an expectation than an option and the missions do not give you any option at all of where you get sent) and lack of degeneracy (no drinking, more reliable workers).

But once an initial foothold starts these sort of things become self-sustaining through nepotism.

There's also a notable difference between the pioneer underclass of desert rancher Mormons and the very neocon, normalfaggot-wannabe business and clerical elite.


Anabaptists had tons of lolcow beliefs and some of them (some German sect in Pennsylvania) directly influenced early Mormon occultism. But there is a difference I would agree between Mormonism attempting to create Yankee Islam versus Anabaptists retreating from the world like a family-oriented equivalent of monasticism. And Joseph Smith was very consciously mimicking Muhammad in his self-presentation and goals.

Well, the FBI/CIA is rotten to the core. The cancer comes from somewhere. The fact all their politicians are neocon faggots doesn't seem to be a coincidence to me.

Mormonism in some sense is like a confluence of Christianity, Islam, Victorian Scientology, Victorian hippies, and a deliberate attempt to revive the mentality and romance of Old Testament Judaism. The base of it is Christianity. The political thuggery and utopia-building is seen in lots of things, including Smith's Puritan ancestors, but in this case it and the basic origins of the religion are most like Islam. The Scientology angle comes from the concept the early religion seemed to have of celestial bodies being worlds on which other deities reign (something coming along in an era when science fiction hadn't really turned interplanetary exploration from a fantasy to a realistic goal, much like ancient religions could plausibly imagine God sitting on a cloud and the Devil hiding down in some volcano). The hippie part, from several things that were also shared with other Christian utopians of the times, but specifically meaning being fueled by psychedelic drugs, magic, free love (more cult abuses, but once the lid was blown in Nauvoo they had to reform and institutionalize it), and communistic arrangements (United Order).

It was crazy fun and I would happily shoot Missouri militiamen alongside them

Unlike Islam though, Mormonism was invented extremely recenlty. So all the evidnce that Mormonism is a fraud is still existant unfortunately for Mormons. With Islam, so much time passed and there were so many wars it's easier for them to cover up the fact he was a false prophet. In that sense, I can still at least understand Islam even if I don't agree with its cobbled together gnostic scripture.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Muhammad is still worse but that's pretty bad too, just another reason Christianity is the superior religion.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Muhammad is still worse but that's pretty bad too, just another reason Christianity is the superior religion.

Well, who's to say? We don't know if Jesus raped and killed a young girl in 1990 in 30 AD. Old religions have the advantage of their dirty laundry being buried under a pile of "no one bothered to write this down" (except when they're explicitly proud of it, like Muhammad for humanely waiting till his wife was all of nine years old instead of deflowering her the instant she came out of the womb).

Obviously there's no particular reason to imagine early Christianity was bad or dysfunctional. The general impression I have of Jesus is that he was one of the most authentic - likely to be true - prophets to live. There is a certain problem, though, in assuming a group was righteous just because their own hagiographies say so (as far as I'm aware Romans didn't write anything detailed about Christians during Jesus' own lifetime). Likewise there is a tendency to scoff at ideas for just being different or new as opposed to on any inherent merit.

For me mostly I see Joseph Smith's discredit coming in his dishonest behaviors, ie, he was a scoundrel before becoming a prophet and continued acting like a scoundrel afterwards. It's also pretty clear he meant for the Book of Mormon to serve as an origin story of Indians in general, which archeology pretty well discredits. But where people get worked up over theological differences (like the structure of the afterlife) or muh golden tablets is where they lose me, it always reeks of dogmatic shrieking.

This is as much a response to thread in general as to you.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Mormonism in some sense... a deliberate attempt to revive the mentality and romance of Old Testament Judaism.

You mean the one where the Israelites participated in a cycle of worshiping idols, getting wrecked by their neighbors for it, running back to God to fend off their neighbors, and worshiping idols after God bails them out?

A cycle that only stopped after they got exiled to Babylon and came back?

 

[Mothra1988]

Imagine wasting energy hating on a religious ideology and its people you hate so deeply that you think digging up rough histories that even the church itself acknowledges was extremely rough even for the time and almost got them killed over as a "Got'cha, bitch!" will change anyone's minds. I just feel bad for the Smith's lineage, the heavy shadow of Joseph gave his own children complexes that continues to this day even though his work marched on without them.

And FWIW this happened in about the last year of Joseph's life, and Emma Smith wasn't a fan of it, either. She burned some important documents in response to it, but she didn't spend the rest of her life hating what her husband did. And there's no actual record that can be found that he ever sired children with them, let alone even consummated the marriages with the other wives, and they were free to marry someone else after Joseph died, but I don't know if they did or not. And far as I can tell, Emma was his one and only, and even in the next life, she'd still be the main matriarch. Eternity is a long time, whatever grievances she had in life may no longer apply by now.

Polygamy is not coming back (not even to appease Islam), and that's legit for the best, no point in getting mad over it. Hell, the church couldn't even get the law of consecration (the Kingdom of Heaven, basically) to work amongst itself because people are too human and imperfect for it to work. Polygamy (practiced by a small percentage of hand-picked members, originally) barely even worked out back then as the world had changed too much since biblical times for it to stick to the point laws ended up being legislated, and we can see the modern outcomes of that in the FLDS today. They got themselves in deep shit simply because the original founders a century prior threw a huge hissy fit over being commanded to stop practicing polygamy after God had previously given the a-okay simply because in the 1860s, two decades after Smith's death, America began declaring plural marriage illegal. It's almost like there's consequences for one's own actions when you break the law or something like that, whether it's man's law or God's law.

Is this your first time in A&H, @Kari Kamiya? You're crying about "hate" being in a subsection of KF that is filled with nigger posting and Holocaust denial, etc. Good grief, get a thicker skin, you sound like a wailing Twitter SJW, which is not what I expected from you.

First of all, I don't "hate" Mormons. I don't like false prophets or people that promote them like anyone who believes in Christianity should, and I think Mormons should be mocked with humor for their ridiculous beliefs (which amazingly are never defended by them, they immediately go to victim-hood narratives).

Christians get mocked constantly by atheists over the flood, etc. if you've ever spent five minutes in 4chan or reddit, you're not a victim because you got ribbed for being a Mormon. The fact you think criticizing Smith for marrying 14 year olds is off the table is ridiculous. If this thread was about Islam and Aisha, 100 percent you wouldn't be doing thread tourism from your usual subforum hangouts. I don't hate Muslims either for the record as long as they denounce jihadism, but yes mocking them for being retarded when they are is okay because political correctness is stupid. lol

I mostly posted this thread because I thought it would be funny (even if admittedly its' old) and it's given me plenty of laughs so far. If your faith is so strong in this guy who claims he digged up magical gold books in New York that mysteriously disappeared that told him the USA pre-Colombus was filled with warring factions of Jews, you shouldn't be this angry. Relax, bro, you're going to live. Overall, I'd suggest you reevaluate why you place ridiculous fanfiction like the obviously fradulent Book of Moses above the Bible, which it definitely contradicts.

Anyways, as a peace offering, here's a great cartoon for you to enjoy:

 

[Kheapathic]

I mostly posted this thread because I thought it would be funny (even if admittedly its' old) and it's given me plenty of laughs so far.

"I wanted attention." - This is you, being a woman and a retarded nigger

 

[Mothra1988]

"I wanted attention." - This is you, being a woman and a retarded nigger

>posts truth about Mormonism in known shitposting forum
>Mormons chimp out
>one of them admits Smith fucked children but it was okay and then leaves
>another guy claims Smith didn't have sex with females he married
>it's your fault for me being this angry, I just wanted nigger posting threads grrrrrr!
lol

 

[870EVO]

And that isn't getting into how the age consent was a lot lower at the time as well. 1800s US was drastically different especially with how women's rights weren't a thing.

 

[Bulk Bogan]

I've always liked Mormon cosmology. It's very merciful considering the whole Yankee Islam thing; even Satan (eventually) gets to go to a heaven that according to Smith is so cool that you'd kill yourself just to go there if you knew how cool it was. And it's just the heaven for gay babies, there's two whole better heavens, and the last one even has three gated communities of increasing exclusivity inside it. It's like the whitest religion possible, and I'll always have some sympathy for it despite everything else.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Wasn't it normal back then? I never liked judging people by modern sensibilities.

The reason why the Muhammad case is especially reviled is because 9 year old is way before sexually maturing, making intercourse both dangerous and self indulgent.

 

[Cyborg Braphog]

How many children did they have and how old was she when they were born?

 

[frozen_runner]

"The essay went on to conclude, 'And that's a good thing.'"

 

[Iron Jaguar]

Lots of girls got married at that age, back in the day. This is in no way comparable to Muhammad the actual pedophile, who raped his 9 year old wife.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Mormonism in some sense is like a confluence of Christianity, Islam, Victorian Scientology, Victorian hippies, and a deliberate attempt to revive the mentality and romance of Old Testament Judaism. The base of it is Christianity. The political thuggery and utopia-building is seen in lots of things, including Smith's Puritan ancestors, but in this case it and the basic origins of the religion are most like Islam. The Scientology angle comes from the concept the early religion seemed to have of celestial bodies being worlds on which other deities reign (something coming along in an era when science fiction hadn't really turned interplanetary exploration from a fantasy to a realistic goal, much like ancient religions could plausibly imagine God sitting on a cloud and the Devil hiding down in some volcano). The hippie part, from several things that were also shared with other Christian utopians of the times, but specifically meaning being fueled by psychedelic drugs, magic, free love (more cult abuses, but once the lid was blown in Nauvoo they had to reform and institutionalize it), and communistic arrangements (United Order).

It was crazy fun and I would happily shoot Missouri militiamen alongside them

Even if we disagree on some things, I second that, fuck Missouri!

Imagine wasting energy hating on a religious ideology and its people you hate so deeply that you think digging up rough histories that even the church itself acknowledges was extremely rough even for the time and almost got them killed over as a "Got'cha, bitch!" will change anyone's minds. I just feel bad for the Smith's lineage, the heavy shadow of Joseph gave his own children complexes that continues to this day even though his work marched on without them.

And FWIW this happened in about the last year of Joseph's life, and Emma Smith wasn't a fan of it, either. She burned some important documents in response to it, but she didn't spend the rest of her life hating what her husband did. And there's no actual record that can be found that he ever sired children with them, let alone even consummated the marriages with the other wives, and they were free to marry someone else after Joseph died, but I don't know if they did or not. And far as I can tell, Emma was his one and only, and even in the next life, she'd still be the main matriarch. Eternity is a long time, whatever grievances she had in life may no longer apply by now.

Polygamy is not coming back (not even to appease Islam), and that's legit for the best, no point in getting mad over it. Hell, the church couldn't even get the law of consecration (the Kingdom of Heaven, basically) to work amongst itself because people are too human and imperfect for it to work. Polygamy (practiced by a small percentage of hand-picked members, originally) barely even worked out back then as the world had changed too much since biblical times for it to stick to the point laws ended up being legislated, and we can see the modern outcomes of that in the FLDS today. They got themselves in deep shit simply because the original founders a century prior threw a huge hissy fit over being commanded to stop practicing polygamy after God had previously given the a-okay simply because in the 1860s, two decades after Smith's death, America began declaring plural marriage illegal. It's almost like there's consequences for one's own actions when you break the law or something like that, whether it's man's law or God's law.

Yeah that's the thing all this has done is embolden me because moth lady went Psycho lesbian on my ass. I'm clearly doing something right lol. And yes, polygamy bad. It nearly destroyed us. It wrecked Joseph's marriage. And as you said, where's the proof he consumated the marriage. We were against birth control back then, there would have at least have been a miscarriage, and we are nothing if not autistic in our record keeping. Your welcome btw for all the genealogy work we do.

 

[Mothra1988]

It wrecked Joseph's marriage.

He was married to 40 women. He had 40 marriages. FORTY. Are you still pretending like this was a moral man? lol

And as you said, where's the proof he consumated the marriage.

If you don't think sex happens after marriage, you are functionally retarded. Okay, for what reason did he marry two 14 year olds if not for sex? Are you going to suggest God told him to do it next?

God - "Joseph Smith, you must marry these two 14 year olds, and these two 16 year olds, and these four 17 year olds, and these two 19 year olds, plus these 20 women married to other men, and 10 other women. This is my command." LOL.

Your religion is retarded. I'm sorry.

 

[WelperHelper99]

He was married to 40 women. He had 40 marriages. FORTY. Are you still pretending like this was a moral man? lol



If you don't think sex happens after marriage, you are functionally retarded. Okay, for what reason did he marry two 14 year olds if not for sex? Are you going to suggest God told him to do it next?

God - "Joseph Smith, you must marry these two 14 year olds, and these two sixteen year olds, and these four seventeen year olds, and these two 19 year olds, plus these 20 women married to other men, and 10 other women. This is my command." LOL.

Your religion is retarded. I'm sorry.

You're very angry and I'm not going to respond to a retarded angry take and I simply won't Apologize. Personally I don't care, not now, you've destroyed any notion of discussion with petty insults and derailing threads. Get bent.

 

[Mothra1988]

You're very angry and I'm not going to respond to a retarded angry take and I simply won't Apologize. Personally I don't care, not now, you've destroyed any notion of discussion with petty insults and derailing threads. Get bent.

Okay, so you're going to run away like last time becuase formulating an answer to my question is impossible for you? Got it. Do you aspire to be married to 10 teenagers at the same time like your prophet was? Just curious. lol How was Joseph Smith Christ-like when he was going down on 10 different teenagers? I'm just trying to understand your "religous ideology" here as Godzilla poster put it. Come on, tell me. lol

 

[byuu]

Fucking 14 year olds is okay if you wear magic underwear.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Okay, so you're going to run away like last time becuase formulating an answer to my question is impossible for you? Got it. Do you aspire to be married to 10 teenagers at the same time like your prophet was? Just curious. lol How was Joseph Smith Christ-like when he was going down on 10 different teenagers? I'm just trying to understand your "religous ideology" here as Godzilla poster put it. Come on, tell me. lol

I went to sleep because I work for a living. Are you living on Monster or something? Also have 90000 moms, 2 gorillion siblings, only drink water, teabagged you in Halo 2 Anniversary, and fucked yer mum. Guess I'm the stereotype you have in your crack addled head. Believe what you want, choose this day what Master you shall serve. I serve God. And you're wrong about the prophets being equal to God. Maybe read the holy books that literal children do instead of quotes and snippets you found online, then we can talk. King James Version of the Bible, and the book of Mormon, the latter a easy read. Get to it moth lady, before Brigham Young comes back from the grave and whips you harder than he did his slaves.