Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[GatorAids]

What happened to the North Korean supersoldiers that were going to fight in Ukraine?

They got distracted by a field of rotten cabbages and have been gorging themselves declaring that it is the best kimchi they've had in their life.

 

[Clownish]

Ukraine is actively creating and expanding into new Brigades.

List of new Brigades since 2023:

Ukrainian Ground Forces:
- 3rd Assault Brigade Azov
- 5th Assault Brigade
- 21st Mechanized Brigade
- 23rd Mechanized Brigade
- 31st Mechanized Brigade
- 32nd Mechanized Brigade
- 33rd Mechanized Brigade
- 47th Artillery Brigade
- 48th Artillery Brigade
- 116th Mechanized Brigade
- 117th Mechanized Brigade
- 118th Mechanized Brigade

Ukrainian Naval Forces:
- 37th Marine Brigade
- 38th Marine Brigade

Ministry of Internal Affairs Offensive Guard:
- Azov Brigade
- Bureviy Brigade
- Spartan Brigade
- Rubizh Brigade
- Chervona Kalyna Brigade
- Kara-Dag Brigade
- Lyut Brigade
- Stalevy Kordon Brigade

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[Techpriest Mk II]

Ukraine is actively creating and expanding into new Brigades.

List of new Brigades since 2023:

Ukrainian Ground Forces:
- 3rd Assault Brigade Azov
- 5th Assault Brigade
- 21st Mechanized Brigade
- 23rd Mechanized Brigade
- 31st Mechanized Brigade
- 32nd Mechanized Brigade
- 33rd Mechanized Brigade
- 47th Artillery Brigade
- 48th Artillery Brigade
- 116th Mechanized Brigade
- 117th Mechanized Brigade
- 118th Mechanized Brigade

Ukrainian Naval Forces:
- 37th Marine Brigade
- 38th Marine Brigade

Ministry of Internal Affairs Offensive Guard:
- Azov Brigade
- Bureviy Brigade
- Spartan Brigade
- Rubizh Brigade
- Chervona Kalyna Brigade
- Kara-Dag Brigade
- Lyut Brigade
- Stalevy Kordon Brigade

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This is no surprise, they have an influx of equipment from both the west and captured russian gear, easily enough to outfit entire new battalions, plus they've been reactivating their deep tank stores of T-80UD's recently.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

China is going to be taking advantage of this, not necessarily to Russia's benefit, mind you.

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[Pocket Dragoon]

Wagner is allegedly recruiting from highschools now.

 

[Blatant hypocrite]

Ukraine is actively creating and expanding into new Brigades.

List of new Brigades since 2023:

Ukrainian Ground Forces:
- 3rd Assault Brigade Azov
- 5th Assault Brigade
- 21st Mechanized Brigade
- 23rd Mechanized Brigade
- 31st Mechanized Brigade
- 32nd Mechanized Brigade
- 33rd Mechanized Brigade
- 47th Artillery Brigade
- 48th Artillery Brigade
- 116th Mechanized Brigade
- 117th Mechanized Brigade
- 118th Mechanized Brigade

Ukrainian Naval Forces:
- 37th Marine Brigade
- 38th Marine Brigade

Ministry of Internal Affairs Offensive Guard:
- Azov Brigade
- Bureviy Brigade
- Spartan Brigade
- Rubizh Brigade
- Chervona Kalyna Brigade
- Kara-Dag Brigade
- Lyut Brigade
- Stalevy Kordon Brigade

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Article Four
Article Five
Article Six

After one year of denazification, Azov has been reduced from an entire Regiment to only two Brigades

 

[DumbDude43]

China is going to be taking advantage of this, not necessarily to Russia's benefit, mind you.

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china can not and will not pose a military threat to russia. nuclear deterrence works in all directions, not just towards nato.
the worst china will possibly do to russia is squeezing them economically, but nothing more will come of it.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Notable increase in violent, frothing rage from mentally ill people from /pol/ when suggesting the war is stupid. I really don't think my take is so extreme but there are some seriously unhinged faggots who are having mental breakdowns over it.

I only miss for 3-4 days (thanks to the janny that lifted my 7 day curse early, quietly, and for unknown reasons), and Null is already on our side. -ish.
Maybe I should stay away if more people choose cozy Ukrainian thread instead of the infestation one.
Jersh, I still like you, even though you told me to KIS twice by now.

 

[Null]

I'm not even on your side. I think Zelensky is partly responsible for the war and I think NATO is in for literally every wrong reason possible. More international dominance, more vassal states joining for protection, killing white people, funding their buddies in the mil complex, testing weapons we haven't used in a real war yet, and probably paying Zelensky hush money to hide those files of Hunter balls deep in a child.

It's specifically because I am so anti-NATO that I see the war as a trap that Putin fell into and didn't plan for correctly and now the entire world will suffer for it. I was told over and over again that Europe would have natural gas shortages but it seems to be doing just fine. Maybe it's a delayed reaction, but I just don't see the doom and gloom. I just see hundreds of thousands of dead white boys.

 

[GatorAids]

I'm not even on your side. I think Zelensky is partly responsible for the war and I think NATO is in for literally every wrong reason possible. More international dominance, more vassal states joining for protection, killing white people, funding their buddies in the mil complex, testing weapons we haven't used in a real war yet, and probably paying Zelensky hush money to hide those files of Hunter balls deep in a child.

It's specifically because I am so anti-NATO that I see the war as a trap that Putin fell into and didn't plan for correctly and now the entire world will suffer for it. I was told over and over again that Europe would have natural gas shortages but it seems to be doing just fine. Maybe it's a delayed reaction, but I just don't see the doom and gloom. I just see hundreds of thousands of dead white boys.

>Slavs
>White
Pick one.

 

[MG-34]

I'm not even on your side. I think Zelensky is partly responsible for the war and I think NATO is in for literally every wrong reason possible. More international dominance, more vassal states joining for protection, killing white people, funding their buddies in the mil complex, testing weapons we haven't used in a real war yet, and probably paying Zelensky hush money to hide those files of Hunter balls deep in a child.

It's specifically because I am so anti-NATO that I see the war as a trap that Putin fell into and didn't plan for correctly and now the entire world will suffer for it. I was told over and over again that Europe would have natural gas shortages but it seems to be doing just fine. Maybe it's a delayed reaction, but I just don't see the doom and gloom. I just see hundreds of thousands of dead white boys.

Could you elaborate on your griances with NATO? I understand hating the bullshit that comes with the EU or the UN but NATO has kept Russia from doing what they have to Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine to the Baltics or Poland. As for dead white people all Russia had to do was not invade. I don't buy the bullshit CRP tier nonsense that NATO was staging for a ground invasion when if it was that easy to invade a state with nuclear weapons there would be no North Korea. Putin was the nigger in this transaction.

 

[AgendaPoster]

I'm not even on your side. I think Zelensky is partly responsible for the war and I think NATO is in for literally every wrong reason possible. More international dominance, more vassal states joining for protection, killing white people, funding their buddies in the mil complex, testing weapons we haven't used in a real war yet, and probably paying Zelensky hush money to hide those files of Hunter balls deep in a child.

It's specifically because I am so anti-NATO that I see the war as a trap that Putin fell into and didn't plan for correctly and now the entire world will suffer for it. I was told over and over again that Europe would have natural gas shortages but it seems to be doing just fine. Maybe it's a delayed reaction, but I just don't see the doom and gloom. I just see hundreds of thousands of dead white boys.

You are an unsalvageable centrist, Jersh.
And yes, there are so many dead people, and all for largely nothing. No we did not freeze up, but prices are much higher now, I expect our experiences to be somewhat similar as you're exiled in my shithole part of the planet. And there is a significant threat for escalation, but it's out of our control.
Keep in mind that the peace and safety we enjoy here in East EU is largely because we suck the NATO dick. You've seen these places. You know that we cannot defend alone against a large aggressor state like Russia is. And there's no other choice, besides futuristic shit like the Intermarium and getting nukes without the US and Russia noticing and suddenly discovering that they're no longer enemies and coming to liberate East EU from Polish and Hungarian Nazis or w/e they'll invent.
I agree that Putin got trapped. He had a few weeks of a chance at Kiev, he messed it up, and after that he was bound for the meatgrinder. For Ukrainians it doesn't really matter. US or not, NATO or not, this war would've happened anyway. Now they stand a chance at least.
Sometimes you just get served rotten, horrible things in life, and there's not much to do other than trying to survive them.

 

[Monuklear]

Ukrainian soldiers are being paid, getting hot meals and rotated in and out of the front. They're also getting bonuses paid into their bank accounts on time.

Meanwhile Russia is just cracking on as normal. They're relying on an unreformed conscription system which is infamously broken, as corrupt as it is brutal. Troops aren't being fed, sleeping bags still aren't individual issue (victor suvorov wrote about the sleeping bag issue in the book 'inside the red army' in the 1980's), and they're going into battle not knowing whether their families will be looked after if they're killed.

The Russian population is 145 million, and it's crippled by emigration. I think Russia is going to struggle with those casualties, not just on a societal level where casualties start causing unrest, but on a demographic level. All the young men with means have fled the country , there are others that have gone into hiding (both groups no longer able to participate in the Labor market) Putin can't afford to have smart people underneath him, so his collection of corrupt midwits are just going to crack on as normal. Stealing as much as they can from the defense budget while not rocking the boat.

Ultimately Ukraine is going to win this. They'll fight the war that Phillipe Petain wanted to fight in WWI, where artillery and unlimited supplies of foreign produced weapons slaughters the enemy, with the role of infantry being to just occupy ground.

It might take another year, but eventually the production of artillery shells and rockets is going to get to the point where the Ukrainians can just remove whole grid squares from the map and then send troops in to occupy what remains.

This is why there are stories being fed to the media about the 'shells shortage' because western countries want public support to ramp up production for Ukraine.

I'm getting this info third-source from a podcast (Radio War Nerd for those interested; highly recommended), but at least when it comes to the issues of troop conditions at the front, you've got it all upside down. Russian forces are still x3 times the size of Ukraine's in terms of raw manpower. The Ruskies get rotated out regularly, it's the Ukrainian units who are stuck holding the same bit of frontage for months at a time.

As for the question of population and emigration, Ukraine is at a much worse position than Russia. Ukraine has lost some 30% of its population even before the war ramped up in 2022, and now that millions more fled the place it's become an empty country. Easily less than half of its 1991 population.

And as for the "shell the Russians into submission" idea, I don't know where you're getting this from, but that's really not how modern warfare works. You brought up Phillipe Petain so you really should know better.

All this not to say that Russia is going to win this, but I'm really sick and tired of this "UKRAINE STRONK" bullshit.
(I'm equally tired of the "RUSSIA STRONK" bullshit, but at least those retards don't control every Western media position)

I see the war as a trap that Putin fell into and didn't plan for correctly and now the entire world will suffer for it.

There was no trap here. Putin had Lukashenko by the balls after the 2020-2021 Belarusian protests. That gave him an unprecedented opportunity to move Russian troops through Belarus, so he decided to try and seize that opportunity by launching a decapitation strike against Kiev in order to strengthen his hold over Ukraine. It was a self-motivated attack which only failed because the Russian military is a shambles.
NATO gleefully cheered on and are willing to throw however much money is needed to keep Ukraine fighting (just maybe not enough to actually win), but this war is not a 4D chess move planned in advance by some glowing spook in the Pentagon.

 

[draggs]

Putin's opinion is that it was a great wrong that the Warsaw Pact dissolved and the USSR did as well

This opinion is widespread in the Russian public. It always was widespread but now instead of sullen grumbling it is angry revanchism

Unless this revanchism is broken Russia will continue to get white people killed trying to regain the former USSR member republics and reestablish its Cold War eastern Europe satellites

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Putin's opinion is that it was a great wrong that the Warsaw Pact dissolved and the USSR did as well

This opinion is widespread in the Russian public. It always was widespread but now instead of sullen grumbling it is angry revanchism

Unless this revanchism is broken Russia will continue to get white people killed trying to regain the former USSR member republics and reestablish its Cold War eastern Europe satellites

Notice how none of this has anything to do with NATO. It's just how Russians be. Perpetually butthurt and jealous, constantly dreaming of dominating everyone else and projecting their insecurities on their perceived opponents.

 

[Ghostse]

china can not and will not pose a military threat to russia. nuclear deterrence works in all directions, not just towards nato.
the worst china will possibly do to russia is squeezing them economically, but nothing more will come of it.

China is going to be taking advantage of this, not necessarily to Russia's benefit, mind you.

Never say never but China won't invade Russia without extreme provocation/incentive. Certainly not until they've invaded Taiwain

I'm going to tl;dr the fuck out of this and really crop off a lot nuance, so do you own research before spouting off on this.

The CCP rules China by basically putting themselves forward as current implementation of the "Chinese Empire". The CCP is after something that translates into English as "The Mandate of Heaven" - the CCP is charge because they are meant to be in charge. You know the CCP is meant to be in charge, because they are in charge.

Basically you show you are the HNIC by acting like you're the HNIC and if you have this Mandate of Heaven, the universe will arrange things so you are the ruler. If you lose the mandate of heaven, you'll be beset by rebellions - no rebellion could succeed against anyone who has the Mandate of Heaven.

One of the ways you can affirmatively assert your possession of the Mandate of Heaven is by controlling all of the "imperial territories". This includes Tibet and Taiwan, and this is why the CCP will never ever give up their claims on those places without being stomped into non-existance.

So now you need to need to do a little advanced thinking and separate out the CCP who are the new Imperial Rulers of China, the CCP who is the head of a modern nation state. These aren't factions, this sort of a split personality/multiple hats/two-face/double-think side of the same organization.

The CCP Imperial Rulers have no wish to expand China beyond its traditional borders; in fact, to do so would be disrupting Chinese divine harmony; the great emperors never possessed that land, therefore it is not worth possessing. There is some flex on this regarding securing the borders via puppet states and what not.
Then there the CCP who run a modern nation state who want control over Siberia and to evict those other, bad chinks from SEA and to curb stomp the Nips.

So the Imperial Ruler aspect of the CCP has no interest in Siberia, but he modern nation state aspect of the CCP definitely wants to control the resources. In a VERY HYPOTHETICAL Clancy type of situation where the CCP does something about this, the CCP would create a puppet state.

But that's not going to happen - not yet at least. The Chinese are having economic issues and the current crop of chinese military, the 'princes' will not fair well in a traditional war; hell they got beaten back by India in their latest slapfight. A war with Russia would be deepely unpopular and with the economy flagging might be seen as the current CCP leader losing the Mandate of Heaven - meaning someone could challenge for the throne; this could just be other elements inside the CCP.

So unless Russia starts some shit, and they'd be utter fucking retards to do so (but that's the order of the day for russia), the CCP won't have china do anything drastic.

What happened to the North Korean supersoldiers that were going to fight in Ukraine?

Currently being whored out and sexually abused by the main russian forces.

Ultimately Ukraine is going to win this. They'll fight the war that Phillipe Petain wanted to fight in WWI, where artillery and unlimited supplies of foreign produced weapons slaughters the enemy, with the role of infantry being to just occupy ground.

It might take another year, but eventually the production of artillery shells and rockets is going to get to the point where the Ukrainians can just remove whole grid squares from the map and then send troops in to occupy what remains.

This is why there are stories being fed to the media about the 'shells shortage' because western countries want public support to ramp up production for Ukraine.

Ultimately Ukraine is going to win this. provided the Krauts and other Eurocucks don't cuck under as they love to do you mean. Also as long as the CIA, MIC and whatever reptillian-controlled apartati don't try dialing back deliveries to fucking 'forever war' shit like they love to do.

The ammo shortage is real, its been a long standing issue the military especially the army has been trying to get congress to fix and its always been kicked down the field. They were already set to start modernizing ordinance production, but now its a priority.

Its also showing the dangers of counting on foreign supply. I would hope someone is paying attention, but its unlikely anyone paying attention has decision making authority.

Wagner is allegedly recruiting from highschools now.
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On one hand: TBF you saw this sort of thing in the US during WWI/WWII; hell, I was in a based AF district in grade school where a few guys from the local Nat Guard armory came to do a show-and-tell of military hardware. Guns are cool.

On the other hand: WWII wasn't the US invading a a county 1/4th the US's size because of 'muh sphere of influence'

Notable increase in violent, frothing rage from mentally ill people from /pol/ when suggesting the war is stupid. I really don't think my take is so extreme but there are some seriously unhinged faggots who are having mental breakdowns over it.

I wanted you bro.

Yes, mass media is absolute dogshit, but it is still better then /pol/.
I rather trust The Times, the economist and even rags like Daliy Mail then some random shit on /pol/.
Only use /pol/ for the lolzs. That is my advise.

The mass media usually has nuggets of truth you sift out. An while a healthy skeptism of the prevailing narratives is good, lot of /pol/ still believes that Qanon isn't just a stopped clock.

The worst thing about the lugenpresse is reporters who use articles as editorials, and the click-bait headlines. If you treat anything where "anonymous sources" echo the reporters exact thoughts and feelings as very suspect, and keep reading the article past the first half where the reporter presents their own headlead as probably fake and gay, you can get closer to the truth.

Read. Watch. Doubt. Then divinate out the truth.

 

[DumbDude43]

Notice how none of this has anything to do with NATO. It's just how Russians be. Perpetually butthurt and jealous, constantly dreaming of dominating everyone else and projecting their insecurities on their perceived opponents.

it is about nato, just not in the way they say.
they say they are super afraid because nato expansion is threatening russia with war and invasion. that is nonsense. what is actually the case is different.

without nato, much of the territory lost to ussr collapse would be relatively easy to recover by force. if, for example, the baltics had not joined nato, then russia would 100% have taken them over by now, either as belarus style puppet states or with crimea style annexiation. then russia would have complete control of the baltic coast from st petersburg to kaliningrad, creating a very nice and comfortable strategic position in the region.
but nato cucks them out of doing that, and that makes them very very angry. that's what the nato hate is really about.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Ultimately Ukraine is going to win this. provided the Krauts and other Eurocucks don't cuck under as they love to do you mean. Also as long as the CIA, MIC and whatever reptillian-controlled apartati don't try dialing back deliveries to fucking 'forever war' shit like they love to do.

Someone earlier said that Europe really doesn't like having wars under their nose, and I tend to believe that. It should be clear even to eurocucks by now that appeasement doesn't work, because they tried it with Crimea and it only emboldened Putin. You either break him now or you risk additional problems further down the road.
It's about time they realize that peace comes at a cost.

it is about nato, just not in the way they say.
they say they are super afraid because nato expansion is threatening russia with war and invasion. that is nonsense. what is actually the case is different.

without nato, much of the territory lost to ussr collapse would be relatively easy to recover by force. if, for example, the baltics had not joined nato, then russia would 100% have taken them over by now, either as belarus style puppet states or with crimea style annexiation. then russia would have complete control of the baltic coast from st petersburg to kaliningrad, creating a very nice and comfortable strategic position in the region.
but nato cucks them out of doing that, and that makes them very very angry. that's what the nato hate is really about.

I never cared for hoarding territory, it's a rather outdated idea. It's not the size of your country that matters, but how you use it. Of course it's beneficial if you're capturing more resources, but Russia isn't exactly starving for those. Even so, there are better ways to bring someone under your control, but it takes finesse.
Ultimately, where I and vatniks differ is understanding of what makes nation great. I would prefer economic and technological progress to subjugation of neighbors, which is simply an asshole thing to do. To be better and have something valuable to offer, rather than strive to drag everyone else down with you. Cooperation over conflict.
Their idea of power is that of a gopnik with room temperature IQ. They see themselves as imposing, but what the world sees is a raging chimp flinging shit around.

 

[Vince McMahon]

It's about time they realize that peace comes at a cost.

They already did. And it might not even be Ukrainians fleeing or the money involved in supporting Ukraine, to be honest. Putin just has just a unique combination of broken brain and bad luck - he fucked with the only thing he was supposed to deliver unharmed - natural resources. Euros can tolerate and explain a lot of things but in the end, it took the US to bomb Serbs to heel.
As soon as Putin publicly declared that he was going to threaten the flow of spice, that was the time he literally signed his death warrant. The only question now is how exactly it's going to go: broken RusFed or the entire world in flames again. So it's a matter of "which shit choice do I pick?".

 

[teriyakiburns]

>Slavs
>White
Pick one.

They sure aren't brown.