Terror Trouble in Orlando

Over 50 killed. RIP

 

[Lurker]

I don't think it's so bad to discuss politics at times like this. While it's horrible for everyone involved, you can only mourn strangers so much, and no number of vigils will bring them back. What else can you really do but try to stop anything like this from happening again? While some people do use events like this just to push a agenda, I think most political discussion around tragedies like this are at least well intentioned, though they might not always accomplish anything.

From what I've seen, most political discussion about situations like this are to push an agenda.

Like, if anything productive came out of politicizing these incidents, I'd be more inclined to agree with you. But time and time again, whenever these incidents are politicized, nothing ever changes. People talk it to death, say they're gonna do something, nothing happens, everyone forgets, another incident happens, rinse and repeat.

It's inevitable, though, that such incidents are politicized. But for fuck's sake, people were politicizing this shit before we even had the victims' names. Like, come the fuck on, now.

 

[Android raptor]

I went to the SF candlelight vigil last night thinking it would actually be a vigil for some reason. It was mostly an anti-Trump rally and booing the mayor and #notallMuslims.

Honestly for how much righteous fury the younger generation displays on the internet, it was an incredibly tepid crowd. Lots of people on their phones and mumbling the usual call and responses. The older queers were the only ones who were really emotional and engaged with what was going on.

Edit: almost forgot, at the Capitol some socially stunted tumblrite got a hold of the megaphone and mumbled about how this was a safe space for feelings for like 5 minutes before somebody got it away from him. Was lulzy.

That's awful. I went to the Atlanta one and it was actually pretty respectful, outside of a couple people shouting about dang dirty guns the actual speakers/organizers didn't mention religion or politics at all. Local Muslims even showed up in solidarity and in condemnation of the shooter. It was a very solemn event, but not a bad one.

 

[Dork Of Ages]

The names of the known victims at this very moment.

Edward Sotomayor Jr., 34 years old

Stanley Almodovar III, 23 years old

Luis Omar Ocasio-Capo, 20 years old

Juan Ramon Guerrero, 22 years old

Eric Ivan Ortiz-Rivera, 36 years old

Peter O. Gonzalez-Cruz, 22 years old

Luis S. Vielma, 22 years old

Kimberly Morris, 37 years old

Eddie Jamoldroy Justice, 30 years old

Darryl Roman Burt II, 29 years old

Deonka Deidra Drayton, 32 years old

Alejandro Barrios Martinez, 21 years old

Anthony Luis Laureanodisla, 25 years old

Jean Carlos Mendez Perez, 35 years old

Franky Jimmy Dejesus Velazquez, 50 years old

Amanda Alvear, 25 years old

Martin Benitez Torres, 33 years old

Luis Daniel Wilson-Leon, 37 years old

Mercedez Marisol Flores, 26 years old

Xavier Emmanuel Serrano Rosado, 35 years old

Gilberto Ramon Silva Menendez, 25 years old

Simon Adrian Carrillo Fernandez, 31 years old

Oscar A Aracena-Montero, 26 years old

Enrique L. Rios, Jr., 25 years old

Miguel Angel Honorato, 30 years old

Javier Jorge-Reyes, 40 years old

Joel Rayon Paniagua, 32 years old

Jason Benjamin Josaphat, 19 years old

Cory James Connell, 21 years old

Juan P. Rivera Velazquez, 37 years old

Luis Daniel Conde, 39 years old

Shane Evan Tomlinson, 33 years old

Juan Chevez-Martinez, 25 years old

Jerald Arthur Wright, 31 years old

Leroy Valentin Fernandez, 25 years old

Tevin Eugene Crosby, 25 years old

Jonathan Antonio Camuy Vega, 24 years old

Jean C. Nives Rodriguez, 27 years old

Rodolfo Ayala-Ayala, 33 years old

Brenda Lee Marquez McCool, 49 years old

Yilmary Rodriguez Sulivan, 24 years old

Christopher Andrew Leinonen, 32 years old

Angel L. Candelario-Padro, 28 years old

Frank Hernandez, 27 years old

Paul Terrell Henry, 41 years old

Antonio Davon Brown, 29 years old

I share the first name with some of the victims.

I have been to Orlando twice (though probably nowhere near the club) and it's sad to hear about this in a city that was in my experience nice and pleasant.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

So, if the shooter did have ties to ISIS or another terrorist group, it's easy to see why he decided to massacre a bunch of gay Americans in a nightclub; by killing so many degenerate Crusader infidels, he was guaranteeing himself an awesome spot in heaven. Too bad he's burning in hell.

Nah, his last ever moment was having doughnut holes punched out of him by a hailstorm of bullets, a much more fitting fate than "living" forever in an otherworld, even if it had eternal torment.

 

[jenffer a jay]

we are....

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

This is what the media likes to do. Instead of calling this person a mass murderer, they call him a shooter. They put in big words in the headlines SHOOTER GUN SHOOTING and associate the act of shooting with these attacks, not the act of murder, until the word shooter or shooting has a negative connotation.

If anyone were to tell their coworker, out of the blue, "I'm going to go shooting tomorrow," wouldn't they take that as a threat? A warning about a mass shooting, instead of going to the range and practicing a hobby that has been ingrained in the United States' culture since its inception? If you told your coworker you owned a gun or were planning on buying one, how do you think they would respond? Ask what it's for? Question if you have mass-homicidal motives? Not assume you might want to practice an Olympic fucking sport?

Like I can't infer the difference when a news paper reads "MASS SHOOTING" and when a buddy declares they're going to a shooting range.

 

[millais]

Obama is saying with a straight face that there is "no clear evidence" of a link between IS and the massacre. Meanwhile FBI is still treating their investigation as a terrorist attack.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36521761

 

[Tranhuviya]

This is maddening, we've knew about this guy for years, knew what we would suffer if he managed to pull things off, and yet- nothing was done beyond analysis. The sheer incomprehensible incompetence involved here, it boggles the mind.

And Obummer? What does he do? Attempt to encroach on our rights yet again while pulling the lone wolf card, and people are practically clapping. I'm tired of seeing him try to pull this and trying to mask his failures after every massacre, and I can't wait until November.

 

[The Great Chandler]

It seems some people just can't restrain their political agendas before acknowledging the victims' lives whose been cut short.

 

[Football Meatlong]

And I really resent that. The sjws think all their opposition is " alt right". And if those sjws are the mainstream as they seem to be becoming... I'd actually be alt left then. Is that even an actual thing though is what I wanna know.

If you envision the political spectrum as a line, with the right and left in their respective spots, if you stand on the far left, like SJW's would be, and you look at where moderates would be standing. They're on your right, so you automatically assume that they're the right, even if they're still standing on the left side of the moderates.

The kicker is, of course, the political spectrum isn't a line, it's a circle. In the end, the far right and the far left are standing in the exact same spot.

 

[Mapache]

To think that soon if we don't take a stance against this that events like these and worse will happen in faster and faster succession and eventually become normalized into everyday life like how shootings are in the U.S currently are because the far leftists in charge are so fucking scared of being called racist is fucked up.
Islam used to be a respectable religion but it isn't anymore (at least for a large portion of muslims). Its nothing like what Mohammad envisioned it to become and it has become a monster corrupted by bigotry, ignorance, violence and an inability to adapt to our changing societies that's been allowed to grow to what it is today by the far leftists moral authority in europe and the U.S. We have to take a stand against this for if we don't things will only get worse from here. And the far leftists would be more than happy to allow this to happen.
Lastly,
fuck ISIS, fuck Omar mateen, fuck anybody who thinks shit like this is ok because they are "non-white" and a "minority." And lastly fuck anyone who salivates at the idea of using mass murder to push their ideologies (i.e hillary, trump, isis) the terrorists themselves are just half of the problem, the libertards that currently have an iron grip on our western governments enabling them to plan, recruit, commit and eventually normalize terrorist attacks whilst using their moral authority to simultaneously shut down dissenting opinion as "bigotry" is the other half of the problem. Both are threats to true equality, free speech, and the justice that are hallmarks of western society contrary to what their propaganda says they are, both need to burn in fire and have salt sprinkled on the ground on which they burned upon like what the Romans did to Cartradge. So that their ideas will never infect anyone again.

 

[on a serious note]

That purse clashes with your rifle, Milo.

I know, 50 people are dead but...I really don't like that purse.

 

[RI 360]

Asshole held exit door shut, thought this was a good idea

 

[RIck Sanchez]

Obama is saying with a straight face that there is "no clear evidence" of a link between IS and the massacre. Meanwhile FBI is still treating their investigation as a terrorist attack.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36521761

I too was reluctant to jump on the whole Islam thing at first, but after going through the facts, I think it's important to acknowledge that the shooter pledged allegiance to ISIS (as well as solidarity with the Boston bombers) before the shooting and was raised by a father who supports the Taliban and comes from a country in which homosexuality is punished by death. (Especially when it's considered tenable to blame American right-wing and/or Christian views. If you choose to stay quiet and refuse to question and ridicule these ideas they become the norm.)

 

[RI 360]

One victim who survived by playing dead claims to have heard the shooter make several phone calls, one in which he claimed there were other shooters with him.

Another victim who believes there were two shooters and confirms exit door was being held shut.

 

[Ntwadumela]

I too was reluctant to jump on the whole Islam thing at first, but after going through the facts, I think it's important to acknowledge that the shooter pledged allegiance to ISIS (as well as solidarity with the Boston bombers) before the shooting and was raised by a father who supports the Taliban and comes from a country in which homosexuality is punished by death. (Especially when it's considered tenable to blame American right-wing and/or Christian views. If you choose to stay quiet and refuse to question and ridicule these ideas they become the norm.)

Afghanistan is one of the most corrupt and unsafe places to be in and to come from, not to mention one of the most primitive in cultural mentality. Color me unfuckingsurprised that he came from there.

 

[Sarcastic Username]

Asshole held exit door shut, thought this was a good idea

> thinks holding door shut was good idea
> thinks telling America about this is a good idea

 

[MG 620]

Obama is saying with a straight face that there is "no clear evidence" of a link between IS and the massacre. Meanwhile FBI is still treating their investigation as a terrorist attack.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36521761

It is an act of terrorism, whether on not the guy did it on his own.

 

[Ntwadumela]

> thinks holding door shut was good idea
> thinks telling America about this is a good idea

We have a nominee for the "Re.tard of the Year" award here.

 

[RI 360]

> thinks holding door shut was good idea
> thinks telling America about this is a good idea

I guess fence hopping is a skill acquired by urban kids.

I think the survivor guilt from this might actually lead to suicide.