Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

What's the point of this stunt?

Honestly - after last informations (dementi of schoolbus, dementi of hostage 5 minute situation, dementi of mass shooting) and confirmation from true&honest source stunt was made by RVC I only see two options:

- RVC has a plan which didn't work (if Kapustin isn't controlled by FSB/GRU),
- RVC and FSB has a plan which didn't work (if Kapustin is controlled by FSB/GRU).

In this moment they are only few effects of this:

- marginal recall of units to protect border (it is fuckin stupid NOT to protect frontline, but well, STAVKA isn't very clever),

- PR for RCV.
 
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Maybe idea is to provoke.
This makes Russian security services tighten their grip and have good ol' time chasing rebels where there are possibly none.
As a distraction this would make a lot of sense.
Honestly - after last informations (dementi of schoolbus, dementi of hostage 5 minute situation, dementi of mass shooting) and confirmation from true&honest source stunt was made by RVC I only see two options:

- RVC has a plan which didn't work (if Kapustin isn't controlled by FSB/GRU),
- RVC and FSB has a plan which didn't work (if Kapustin is controlled by FSB/GRU).

In this moment they are only few effects of this:

- marginal recall of units to protect border (it is fuckin stupid NOT to protect frontline, but well, STAVKA isn't very clever),

- PR for RCV.
PR stunt would make sense too, they came in with propaganda material like fliers from what I heard. But it's still kinda retarded?
Who fucking cares and why, this is the most irrelevant shit
When Putin calls for emergency security council meeting and propaganda machine goes into overdrive over it, I would argue it's at least somewhat relevant. At least we get to see them lie about it in real time.
We're in constant state of informational warfare, everything is relevant to some extent, just trying to make sense of it.
 
But it's still kinda retarded?

Yes and no.

Yes - they didn't even burn a police station or BOOM anything significant.

No - RVC proved that frontline is penetratable. They proved own existence.

Compunding this with big BOOM in Tuapse, earlier actions (Daria Dugina flight and so) this proves that security in ruzzia isn't existing. And with time this can have huge consequences.

If this will be a nothingburger in practical terms Ukraine may rethink about further operations - if they will not hear 'no' from West (and West press mostly ignored this action) why they shouldn't attack targets on Belarus? Or cut A-240?

If FSB will prove that they can do nothing with such actions what will stop local groups in ruzzia from making such actions? Lets say some will read about this, see that they do nothing and it is possible to take for several hours a settlement and escape without consequences or even reaction from anytbody? This was a pointless action by RCV, but another group (IDK, somewhere in Dagestan or on far east) can think 'hey, this is easy, lets take for several hours few blocks, rob the bank, start fire in court, kill that uncorrupted police officer or his wife'.
 
Notable increase in violent, frothing rage from mentally ill people from /pol/ when suggesting the war is stupid. I really don't think my take is so extreme but there are some seriously unhinged faggots who are having mental breakdowns over it.
But what side are these people on?
a lot of these people have convinced themselves that invading one of the whitest nations in europe and slaughtering them by the hundreds of thousands in the name of denazification while waving red hammer+sickle flags is actually super based and redpilled somehow

schizophrenia
That’s what happens when you have a nation propped up by the United States, NATO, and pretty much every Twitter blue check that was running their mouth before Elon Musk came around and crashed their little party.

And then you got the people that think a Russia victory will mean that a lot of US Government crimes will be exposed.

Some people will support anything of it means punching woke GloboHomo.
 
Interesting. Wonder what it was, jet going super sonic?
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New episode of Briansk border story.

3 RosGuard troopers and police sapper wounded as their vehicle hit a landmine near Sushany village of Briansk region - Liveuamap.

Link to LiveMap

Looks like RVC left a few gifts.
Top tier trolling. I've seen some Russian articles insinuating that they're actually fighting these guys or even destroyed them, but from what I understand they already left a while ago kek
 
BUT... if FSB isn't telling us a lie this is so emberassing for ruzzia. They failed even to keep frontline to protect own land and didn't give a fuck about evacuating area of potetnial combat from civilians (if it is less than 1 km from frontline/border it is cleary a rear of frontline).
It's embarrassing, but that's the point of this attack. Also, this region is frontline in name only, it hasn't seen serious action since Feb, 2022. There were occasional shellings in Bryanskaya oblast, but not as intense as in Belgorodskaya oblast, and people are not being evacuated from the latter, too.
Then, if we look at the map, Sushany is 1.5km away from border and Lyubechane is 0.6km. Both villages have adjacent evergreen forests that do not respect borders and can be used for infiltration. US can't catch spics in the middle of a desert, what are the odds of catching infiltrating professional soldiers without peppering the area in advance with mines, patrols and FLIR cameras (which are expensive and in short supply)?
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Coordinates for reference:
52°11'42.8"N+32°18'28.7"E - Sushany
52°20'08.9"N+32°21'21.3"E - Lyubechane

So it's possible that small group of them made a little incursion to Russia and managed to spook the spooks in Kreml.
1) Nationalists;
2) wearing symbol used by anti-bolshevik Russian youth and collaborationist movement (spayka);
3) invaded the oblast where Lokot Autonomy was formed during WWII.
No wonder chekists are assblasted. The symbolism is there.
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So besides Bakhmut falling soon the big anniversary offensive is canceled? These are probably all the capabilities of the RAF. Doubt they have any "secret army" in reserve waiting to smash the lines in early spring.
 
1) Nationalists;
2) wearing symbol used by anti-bolshevik Russian youth and collaborationist movement (spayka);
3) invaded the oblast where Lokot Autonomy was formed during WWII.
No wonder chekists are assblasted. The symbolism is there.
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The "Russian Volunteer Corps", which today published a video from the Bryansk region, is made up of Russian emigrants with an active lifestyle. Since August 2022, its fighters have been performing combat tasks as part of the 98th battalion of the Azov-Dnipro Teroborona of the 108th brigade of the Armed Forces.
In today's video shared by the Russians, Denis Nikitin (call sign White Rex) was identified. In December last year, he gave an interview as the commander of the RDK.
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I have been following the Russian Volunteer Corps telegram for months now. They published videos of them guarding Himars rockets and were on Snake Island. They are legit.

White Rex is a White Nationalist that has been around for years setting up MMA gyms and used to be friends with Robert Rundo who is the leader of Rise Above Movement. Rundo's guys have been filming videos for the National Justice Party in the USA.

So it's possible that small group of them made a little incursion to Russia and managed to spook the spooks in Kreml.
Does this mean we have have /pol/ entering the war and taking up arms?
Beliving in existence of GloboHomo is stupid and gay as fuck.
It is? I'm pretty sure that at least 75% of the reason for Russia getting support is fighting GloboHomo. What's even dumber than the belief in GloboHomo should probably be Putin actually buying that his country is the group that'll destroy it.


But again, this is the Ukraine thread, and I'm getting ahead of myself and probably derailing things.
 
In case you haven't noticed the Frontline is thousands of Kilometers long, and Bakhmut is literally just one dot on a massive map.

And has been pointed out repeatedly, the bulk of AFU forces are not IN the city. They are on the flanks, which is where most of the fighting is.
To wit:
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I understand the slaughter for Bakhmut is being sold as somehow worth it because its bleeding out Ukraine and Wagner is on the cusp of bagging the entire Division of AFU troops in the area, but the truth is at most they may capture a companies worth of rear guard covering the withdrawel of the light brigade defending the downtown core.
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Current map
 
Not a "good ending", but that's actually very simple. Russia can just freeze the conflict. Sign a "temporary" armistice, or, more likely, grind Ukraine down into an entrenched stalemate that slowly tapers off over time. Things are arguably already going this way.
Donetsk & Luhansk will just be a new North Cyprus.
They could have done that 6 months ago, now US, British and EU arms manufacturers have started to ramp up production. They're going to flood Ukraine with cheap artillery ammunition, which is going to allow them to remove entire grid squares (and Russian regimental size units) off the map in the space of a few minutes.

The west doesn't want (too many) attacks within Russia or Crimea, but will allow the supply of enough weapons and Ammunition to make any Russian soldier within Ukraine's 2022 border have a really unpleasant time.

Putin has truly burned his bridges with Europe. He had a sweet deal going with Germany and France, the result of 20 years of careful Russian diplomacy. He's pissed all that away, and now the French and Germans have locked out Russian money and thrown the doors open to lobbyists from the large arms European arms manufacturers. There were lobbyists in the wings ready and waiting with plans for LPG terminals, from now on German oil and gas is coming from the Middle East just like everyone else (lol Russia thought they had some sort of special relationship with OPEC but ragheads love money).

A year ago people were talking about how Russia was going to create an alternative to the credit card processors visa/mastercard or IBAN....Russia can't because that would involve Putin employing actual smart people who won't just sit dumbly in front of tv cameras while he humiliates them. Russia has done absolutely nothing to develop foreign markets for their energy exports, develop alternatives to international banking arrangements, or reduce it's dependence on western consumer goods.

Russia is fucked

Incidentally I've lived in Northern Cyprus, they have an honest police force and judicial system, a government that's seperate from Turkey while being closely integrate with.... ie their are smart/capable people running the place. That's not the case with Russian occupied Ukraine. Putin can not afford to have smart and capable people working for him.
 
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Really interesting article in the WSJ this morning about the guys Putin has tapped to keep their economy from Total GDP Death. Solid reporting on the behind-the-scenes machinations necessary to triage their impending market collapse.

Putin’s Secret Weapon on Energy: an Ex-Morgan Stanley Banker (Link) (Archive)​

Long surrounded by former spies and business associates, Putin is increasingly relying on young, Western-savvy technocrats to help navigate around sanctions.

Russia urgently needs to develop new markets for its oil and gas companies, with Western sanctions cutting into the backbone of its economy. It’s relying on a 37-year-old former Morgan Stanley banker to keep profits flowing.

Pavel Sorokin, Russia’s deputy energy minister, is part of a cadre of young technocrats with deep knowledge of the West, fast-tracked by Vladmir Putin to the upper echelons of power. Mr. Sorokin, who studied finance in London, has negotiated deals in Africa and the Middle East. He played an early role in the development of OPEC+, the partnership between Russia’s oil industry and the Saudi-led Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries.

Last year, he was influential in exaggerating the impact of damage to the Russian-controlled pipeline to the Black Sea, a move that spooked the West and pushed oil prices higher, according to his former press secretary and a former journalist at Russia’s state-run news agency.

Mr. Sorokin, Russia’s energy ministry and the Kremlin didn’t respond to requests for comment.

Last month, Mr. Sorokin was instrumental in setting fixed prices on Russia’s main oil export, the Urals grade, instead of letting markets decide how much companies charge, said people familiar with the matter. The decision is expected to draw $8.2 billion in taxes to the country’s cash-strapped treasury.

Mr. Sorokin and his cohorts have thus far navigated the sanctions in a way that has left Russia under severe economic strain—but not yet incapacitated. That task will only get more complicated as the longer-term effects take hold, but analysts say they’ve defied expectations through the Ukraine war’s first full year.

Mr. Sorokin has become Russia’s “secret weapon” in blunting the impact of the West’s sanctions, said Viktor Katona, the lead crude analyst at commodity-data company Kpler. He said he believes many Ukraine allies underestimated the expertise of the Kremlin’s new generation of Western-trained decision makers. Mr. Putin, long surrounded by former spies and business friends from St. Petersburg, has increasingly turned to these newcomers, who speak fluent English and adhere to his nationalist ideology.

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An oil refinery at sunset in Omsk, Russia, last month.

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Mr. Sorokin “is the epitome of something that didn’t exist in the Soviet Union,” Mr. Katona said. “He is part of a new breed of young people who had choices” and decided to work in the Russian government.

The war in Ukraine scrambled global energy markets and longtime alliances. Russia, which once counted Europe as its most lucrative energy customer, now sends much of its production to India and China, which typically buy it at steep discounts to market prices. In part because of those discounts, Russian oil and natural gas revenues fell 46% in January from the same month last year, according to data from the Russian Ministry of Finance.

To make up for that lost revenue, Russia needs to cultivate new trading partners. Mr. Sorokin and his associates are showing some success: Russia exported more than 8 million barrels of oil in January, according to Kpler—one of the top five months on record and a level not reached since April 2020, though it is typically selling at a discount of around $30 a barrel.

Mr. Sorokin’s outreach included a September trip to the Congolese capital of Brazzaville, where he emerged from a 20-hour flight to be greeted by the country’s president.

Over two days, often while seated on golden chairs amid the pilasters and palm trees of the colonial-era presidential palace, Mr. Sorokin hammered out a deal for Russia to supply oil products to the Republic of Congo and for two Russian companies to build a 625-mile, $850 million pipeline, according to a document seen by The Wall Street Journal and current and former officials briefed on the visit. The Congolese oil ministry and the government in Brazzaville didn’t return requests for comment.

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Mr. Sorokin, second from right, at a meeting with OPEC+ countries in 2019.

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The previous month, he met a delegation from Afghanistan, now run by the Taliban, the fundamentalist group whose forebears once fought the Soviet Union. Mr. Sorokin was nonplussed when the Afghans offered to trade raisins and herbs for fuel, said a former aide who was briefed on the meeting. The Taliban government and Kremlin later unveiled a deal to supply Kabul with Russian gasoline. The Afghan ministry of trade and industry didn’t return a request for comment.

Mr. Sorokin also held talks with Bahrain for the small Persian Gulf kingdom to become a hub for trading oil supplied by Russian companies, said people familiar with the matter. Customs records show that some of the Kremlin’s oil transactions were handled in the country last year. The Bahraini government didn’t return a request for comment.

A new regime​


Inside the Kremlin, other rising officials include Russia’s 39-year-old deputy finance minister, Alexey Sazanov, who was educated at Oxford and worked with Mr. Sorokin at Ernst & Young in Moscow. Along with Mr. Sorokin, he now plays a key role in finding ways to plug Russia’s fast-expanding deficit.

Denis Deryushkin, a former Bank of America analyst, became the energy ministry’s head of research at age 29, representing Russia at OPEC advisory meetings designed to help maximize oil prices.

Mr. Putin’s most influential economic adviser, Maksim Oreshkin,
who got the job at 38, previously worked for French bank Crédit Agricole. He led a successful strategy to push foreign companies to buy Russian natural gas in rubles, rather than in dollars or euros, to bypass sanctions.


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Russia’s Deputy Finance Minister Alexey Sazanov last year.

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Mr. Sorokin was born in Moscow but raised in Cyprus in a family of Russian diplomats. He moved back to Russia to start his professional career as an accountant at Ernst & Young. He became a senior analyst at age 26 at Alfa-Bank, Russia’s largest private bank, before a brief spell getting his master’s of finance at the University of London.

He later moved on to Morgan Stanley’s Moscow office. In 2015, a ranking by Extel and Institutional Investor named him as one of the top analysts in the oil and gas sector for Russia and countries in Europe, the Middle East and Africa.

A Morgan Stanley spokesman declined to comment.

As a young banker, he was seen as both a rising star and an unassuming colleague who regularly had lunch at a local Ukrainian eatery and dinners at upmarket Asian-fusion restaurants, said people who knew him at the time. But he also stood out with conservative, hawkish views on Russian politics, they said. A former colleague said he was critical of Russia’s political opening in the 1990s. “He wanted to make Russia great again,” said another former colleague.

Political rise​


In 2016, Alexander Novak, then Russia’s energy minister and now deputy prime minister, poached Mr. Sorokin from the Wall Street bank and put him in charge of his group’s energy research center.

Mr. Sorokin built a rapport with the famously frosty Mr. Novak. The latter started to address him by his nickname—“Pasha,” short for Pavel—and frequently invites him to barbecue outings at his dacha outside Moscow, according to people who know them.

Mr. Sorokin soon became a fixture at diplomatic events by accompanying Mr. Novak as a translator. He was easily recognized by his boyish bob, and his English skills earned him another nickname, “the interpreter.”

He also built an enduring friendship with Adeeb Al Yama, a longtime adviser to Saudi energy ministers, as well as the late OPEC chief Mohammed Barkindo. Mr. Al Yama didn’t return a request for comment. In part by building on those relationships, he helped Mr. Novak plan an alliance with the Saudi-led OPEC that led to the creation of OPEC+ in 2016, in which Russia got a bigger voice in the global oil market. The coalition shortly thereafter approved a production cut that successfully boosted prices.

During a meeting in 2018, Mr. Putin asked Mr. Sorokin what he was doing for the government. “A large project we have been working on recently is the agreement to limit production between Russia and OPEC countries,” he responded, according to the Kremlin’s transcript of their conversation.

“It is time to promote you,” the Russian president said. Within days, Mr. Sorokin was appointed deputy energy minister.

Mr. Sorokin has been adamant about his patriotism. “For all my life, when I was a child, I lived and went to school abroad. And I always knew that I wanted to go back to my homeland,” he told Mr. Putin, according to the Kremlin transcript.

The deputy minister has also spearheaded moves to modernize the country’s energy sector, recently launching motor-fuel stations powered with natural gas—of which Russia has the world’s largest resources—and a national plan to reduce energy consumption.

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Mr. Sorokin, left, with Russia’s Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak, center, in 2021.

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Information campaign​


Soon after becoming deputy minister, Mr. Sorokin hired Arsenii Pogosyan, then a 27-year-old journalist, to handle his public relations.

Mr. Pogosyan left Russia after he learned he was to be called to the front line in Ukraine in late September, and has since defected.

The former press chief said Mr. Sorokin stood out in the career bureaucracy with his Westernized habits—snacking on sliced pineapple and celebrating with a glass of whiskey instead of vodka—and his private sector-style embrace of public engagement. “He wanted to go on YouTube and he would respond to press queries within an hour. It was thrilling,” Mr. Pogosyan said.

As tensions mounted between Russia and the West, Mr. Pogosyan said, Mr. Sorokin became less approachable, either refusing to respond to press queries or taking hours to issue statements.

One evening in March last year, the Russian-controlled Caspian Pipeline Consortium notified the ministry that its facility had been damaged by a storm. The pipeline exports 1.2 million barrels a day of Kazakh crude through a Russian port in the Black Sea, the bulk of which is pumped by Chevron Corp. and Exxon Mobil Corp. , which hold a minority stake in the export route. Chevron declined to comment. Exxon Mobil didn’t return a request for comment.

The consortium said the incident stemmed from the “displacement of the power frame of one of the floating hoses” and had caused no significant disruption, the state-run news agency TASS reported at the time.

Mr. Sorokin started the public response at the Russian energy ministry and helped turn the incident into a global event, according to Mr. Pogosyan and Iuliia Khazagaeva, who ran energy coverage at TASS. She has since left Russia and spoken out against the war.

Mr. Pogosyan said he came to Mr. Sorokin with a draft statement outlining the incident. After speaking with the Kremlin, Mr. Sorokin said it wasn’t tough enough, according to Mr. Pogosyan.

Mr. Sorokin repeatedly asked for edits to a videotaped message over the next 12 hours to make it increasingly alarming, his former press aide said. Paragraphs of context over the potential scope and impact of the disruption moved up from the bottom to the top of his statement.

“The Kremlin wanted the West to stay on the edge,” said Mr. Pogosyan. Russian media picked up the messaging.

Ms. Khazagaeva said that after she was initially informed the episode was relatively minor, her editors ordered her to emphasize a set of talking points playing up the risk of prolonged disruptions to the U.S., Chinese and European markets. Her editor in chief sent her an email telling her to reach out to Mr. Sorokin, among others, for comment.

TASS didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Pipeline operator CPC, which referred a request for comment to its past public statements, said at the time that two of three of its offshore loading points had been damaged by the storm and would require two to four weeks to repair.

On Russian state television, Mr. Sorokin warned the breakdown would require up to two months of repairs, with the loss of exports of up to one million barrels a day. International oil prices immediately rose by 5%.

Within two days, loadings from the terminal had restarted, Kpler data shows. CPC announced a return to full capacity within a month.

—Summer Said contributed to this article.

Write to Benoit Faucon at benoit.faucon@wsj.com
 
It saddens me on how totally fucked Ukraine is going to be after this war. Even if they achieve a total victory, get a marshal plan or two and all the refugees come back there demographics are just simply too fucked to ever recover. Especially with Russia kidnapping and murdering civilians within the hundreds of thousands in the occupied territories.
 
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