Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

[in response to @The Ultimate Ramotith, whom Kiwifarms is not letting me quote]

Kiwi Farms gets wonky sometimes. Th is a big website that is being constantly targetted.

nice to see Squawkabilly and Kilowattrel getting the Victreebel treatment lol

Why Squawkabilly and Kilowattrel specifically from the list?

This is for a recreation hack of gen 9 in gen 1's style, right? Or is it something else?

You are right. I am currently planning on making a demake hack based on the pokegold dissasembly. The idea is that, since Pokémon Scarlet and Violet were such big messes, the best way one can fix them is by just remaking (or in my case demaking) the game from the ground-up. I chose a demake in particular because I was inspired by this video. I picked pokegold instead of pokecrystal because Pokémon Crystal is GBC-only, while I wan to add Super Game Boy and MSU-1 functionality to pokegold.

Th i still in the planning stage, especially since I lack assembly knowledge of the GB and even the SGB and SNES, but right now I hav essentially all of the mons (a this moment), moves, evolution methods planned, while I am still thinking about which items I should add, aside from the Key Items from Pokémon Scarlet and Violet.

I am also thinking of how I can implemen the Terastal Phenomenon in battle. The Key item is fine, and I might be able to squeeze the Tera Type and Tera readiness in th empty space in the Pokémon data structure, but adding the type calculations and substitutions is tough.

A lot of the mechanics are downgraded, though. Random encounters are back. There will not be a Physical-Special Split, though Darkness is Physical while Ghost and Fairy are Special. There are no Gym minigames that you have to accomplish before battling the trainers and leaders. In fact, though you can still travel all over Paldea, you will be Railroaded to the official path instead of going through constant level mismatches.

• Gym Leaders will not accept challengers that do not have the correct badges.
• Team Star Leaders will not want to bully someone who is weak... excep tha they will come up with excuses that cover up that reason.
• Titan Pokémon... I think tha they would be locked away with moves that require certain HMs, but I do not know.

Then again, your current Raidon will still take the place of the Bicycle and HMs. I also wan to keep the 'trainers will not jump into battle just because they saw you' part.

 

[Anonitolia]

Why Squawkabilly and Kilowattrel specifically from the list?

Squawkabilly because it lost an L, Kilowattrel because I thought it did. Turns out it lost a T and I'm an idiot. Anyways, I picked them because Victreebel almost certainly lost its own L due to the character limit, like Squawk did.
Also, that sounds pretty cool! Personally, I think the game's pretty much beyond saving in any respect, but that's my own bias speaking. I wish you luck on your project- it sounds tough- and I hope it turns out well!

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

Squawkabilly because it lost an L, Kilowattrel because I thought it did. Turns out it lost a T and I'm an idiot. Anyways, I picked them because Victreebel almost certainly lost its own L due to the character limit, like Squawk did.
Also, that sounds pretty cool! Personally, I think the game's pretty much beyond saving in any respect, but that's my own bias speaking. I wish you luck on your project- it sounds tough- and I hope it turns out well!

That is also the reason why Weepinbell dropped the 'L'; I just found that difference weird.

What do you mean by 'beyond saving in any respect'?

 

[Anonitolia]

'beyond saving in any respect'

I think it's a Galar situation, where it's just completely fucked in terms of execution and even mostly in concept.

Spoiler: autistic rant on gen 9

I've never been a fan of regions that are just an entire country as opposed to a region of one- it makes the world feel smaller, and forces the devs to generalize far more than they would otherwise- and Paldea is even worse than those, with it seemingly being based on the entire Iberian peninsula as opposed to just a part of it, even if it ends up mostly being Spain (Cascaraffa and the big city's main square are very portugal-inspired as far as i'm aware, as well as the town you need to get to in order to beat that awful awful water gym leader).

There's also just the general feel of newer Pokémon that's turned me off of the newer games' worlds that I mentioned, that heavy emphasis on wacky sci-fi as opposed to more subtle theming like even gens 5 or 6 had (which still had this problem), and I hate the dex. I can't say I even like more than 5 new Pokémon, Paradoxes excluded because they're just tweaked reskins of older mon, and that's in the biggest dex we've had since Unova.
A lot of the world is also very empty and bland, with an excess of empty grassy fields that the game tricks you into thinking are heavily populated by scattering items every 2 steps. I can't think of a single landmark outside of the main city's type wheel, or MAYBE those RGBY sprite mosaics in the psychic town.
The gym challenges are a bore, with hardly any of them requiring any thought and most being unrelated to the gym itself (why are you making me do a tutorial for auctions before I can fight the water guy, how does hide and seek correlate to art or streaming in the slightest), along with the designs of the gym leaders being awful. All of the characters are a total eyesore, actually, which contributes a lot...
Even the story sucks shit, with absolutely nothing happening for 90% of it before a big exposition dump and a cool boss battle at the end that does absolutely nothing besides assault you with information and let you listen to the only good music tracks in the game. Not to mention the horribly blatant DLC bait that was the lack of basic character customization, Heath's journal, the big black spot in the top-right of the map.
The game is piss-easy to the point where I was still overleveled compared to every trainer even after completely redoing my team three separate times, and the lack of level scaling is an absolute fucking joke.
I won't touch on the removed features, the terrible graphics, the horrible performance, the needless battle gimmicks, etc. That's been par for the course since XY or SMish and isn't exclusive to Paldea.

Really, it's all up to personal preference, and for me these games just do absolutely nothing. I can find no good in them without heavy caveats, I couldn't even finish it. I got through the elite 4 and champion after completing the other two paths and then called it quits. Hated my playthrough more than any other, which is a feat considering the last two generations lol. Very glad I pirated it.
If I had to "fix" them, I'd probably shrink the scope down incredibly. Focus on a single region of Spain, try to pack as much cool shit to do as possible in that area, fire every single artist and map designer and start anew. That's just the bare minimum, but hopefully that gets across what I mean by "beyond saving in any respect". Nothing about the execution works for me, and very little of the concept does.

Sorry if I come off as kind of mad at it. I've been seething at the bit because I really love this world and still enjoy older games plenty. It sucks to see your favorite franchise get beaten to death, shat on, paraded around as innovative, and then turn around to see everyone else who used to enjoy it saying this is the best the franchise has been in years. And I have nothing better to do than watch as it burns so lol.

Long autistic sperging aside, tl;dr: concept is bad, execution is worse. I salute you for your efforts and wish you luck regardless

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

I think it's a Galar situation, where it's just completely fucked in terms of execution and even mostly in concept.

Spoiler: autistic rant on gen 9

I've never been a fan of regions that are just an entire country as opposed to a region of one- it makes the world feel smaller, and forces the devs to generalize far more than they would otherwise- and Paldea is even worse than those, with it seemingly being based on the entire Iberian peninsula as opposed to just a part of it, even if it ends up mostly being Spain (Cascaraffa and the big city's main square are very portugal-inspired as far as i'm aware, as well as the town you need to get to in order to beat that awful awful water gym leader).

There's also just the general feel of newer Pokémon that's turned me off of the newer games' worlds that I mentioned, that heavy emphasis on wacky sci-fi as opposed to more subtle theming like even gens 5 or 6 had (which still had this problem), and I hate the dex. I can't say I even like more than 5 new Pokémon, Paradoxes excluded because they're just tweaked reskins of older mon, and that's in the biggest dex we've had since Unova.
A lot of the world is also very empty and bland, with an excess of empty grassy fields that the game tricks you into thinking are heavily populated by scattering items every 2 steps. I can't think of a single landmark outside of the main city's type wheel, or MAYBE those RGBY sprite mosaics in the psychic town.
The gym challenges are a bore, with hardly any of them requiring any thought and most being unrelated to the gym itself (why are you making me do a tutorial for auctions before I can fight the water guy, how does hide and seek correlate to art or streaming in the slightest), along with the designs of the gym leaders being awful. All of the characters are a total eyesore, actually, which contributes a lot...
Even the story sucks shit, with absolutely nothing happening for 90% of it before a big exposition dump and a cool boss battle at the end that does absolutely nothing besides assault you with information and let you listen to the only good music tracks in the game. Not to mention the horribly blatant DLC bait that was the lack of basic character customization, Heath's journal, the big black spot in the top-right of the map.
The game is piss-easy to the point where I was still overleveled compared to every trainer even after completely redoing my team three separate times, and the lack of level scaling is an absolute fucking joke.
I won't touch on the removed features, the terrible graphics, the horrible performance, etc. That's been par for the course since XY or SMish and isn't exclusive to Paldea.

Really, it's all up to personal preference, and for me these games just do absolutely nothing. I can find no good in them without heavy caveats, I couldn't even finish it. I got through the elite 4 and champion and called it quits. Hated my playthrough more than any other, which is a feat considering the last two generations lol. Very glad I pirated it.
If I had to "fix" them, I'd probably shrink the scope down incredibly. Focus on a single region of Spain, try to pack as much cool shit to do as possible in that area, fire every single artist and map designer and start anew. That's just the bare minimum, but hopefully that gets across what I mean by "beyond saving in any respect". Nothing about the execution works for me, and very little of the concept does.

Sorry if I come off kind of mad at it. I've been seething at the bit because I really love this world and still enjoy older games plenty. It sucks to see your favorite franchise get beaten to death, shat on, paraded around as innovative, and then turn around to see everyone else who enjoys it saying this is the best the franchise has been in years. And I have nothing better to do than watch as it burns so lol.

Long autistic sperging aside, tl;dr: concept is bad, execution is worse. I salute you for your efforts and wish you luck regardless

Whoa.

I actually am of the same mind behind regions being based off entire countries instead of sections of one. After all, Portugal is essentially gone.
Hopefully my hack would shrink that emptiness, if only because I am trying to cram an entire country into 2MB.

Even then, I am not sure that I am actually going to code the hack, though. Right now, th is just an intellectual exercize, though I am having fun all the same.

 

[Anonitolia]

Whoa.

I actually am of the same mind behind regions being based off entire countries instead of sections of one. After all, Portugal is essentially gone.
Hopefully my hack would shrink that emptiness, if only because I am trying to cram an entire country into 2MB.

Even then, I am not sure that I am actually going to code the hack, though. Right now, th is just an intellectual exercize, though I am having fun all the same.

hey, even if it's just an exercise, it's good for experience. Good luck with continuing- hopefully it helps you grow somehow, even if it might not come to fruition
and sorry about the paragraph lol, I take this stuff a bit too seriously and it's a problem

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

hey, even if it's just an exercise, it's good for experience. Good luck with continuing- hopefully it helps you grow somehow, even if it might not come to fruition
and sorry about the paragraph lol, I take this stuff a bit too seriously and it's a problem

I respectfully disagree. I actually enjoyed reading the back-and-forth you had and your experiences to me.
Even if I did not, th is the Pokémon Griefing Thread.

 

[Anonitolia]

I respectfully disagree. I actually enjoyed reading the back-and-forth you had and your experiences to me.
Even if I did not, th is the Pokémon Griefing Thread.

I'm flattered, though it really is a bad habit. In some other places i've sperged like this at a moment's notice, and the fact that i'm so passionate about neopets that breathe fire is probably a good reason why I haven't put much effort into more productive hobbies lol (unless you count writing, which I guess could be productive?).
Anyways, I haven't exactly broken that habit yet, so I'm guessing you can probably expect more paragraphs in the future regardless of what happens lol. Just wait until gen 10 comes out and I finally get angry/sad enough to write a trilogy of books extensively detailing how it's bad or something.

 

[MirrorNoir]

So I finally figured out how to link my Nintendo Switch Account to my 3DS Account so I can merge funds and still buy shit at the 3DS store before it closes at the end of the month. Especially since I know now that we won't be seeing Pokemon Gen 1-3 on the GB Switch Online platform anytime soon.

I downloaded Pokemon Transport but I now can't download Pokemon Bank. Is there a reason? Do I have to download the bank BEFORE I download Transport?

Also, can I use Pokemon Transport/Bank to transfer Pokemon to and from RBY to SGC games on my console? And can I still get the evolution forms of the Pokemon who only evolve via this trading?

I've already got Crystal and Yellow bought but I need to know if it will be worth it/feasible to buy R/B and S/G to get a full Pokedex between the six games? Or if I should just stick to having Yellow and Crystal as far as them being distilled versions of Gen 1 and Gen 2, especially since I never played Yellow/Gold, just Red/Blue and Silver/Gold.

 

[Anonitolia]

I downloaded Pokemon Transport but I now can't download Pokemon Bank. Is there a reason? Do I have to download the bank BEFORE I download Transport?

I thought you couldn't even download Transporter without Bank first. Did they make it available on the eShop separately?

 

[MirrorNoir]

So update; I turned off my 3DS and turned it back on and now the Transport app has morphed into the Pokebank. No clue how that happened.

So going back to my original question. If I buy the Virtual Console versions of R/B and S/G, can I move Pokemon from those games and put them into the Pokebank and then move them back into R/B and/or S/G and Yellow/Crystal, so I can do shit like have all three starters in R/B or S/G at the start of the game once I can access the Pokecenter storage boxes?

 

[Nick Gars]

So update; I turned off my 3DS and turned it back on and now the Transport app has morphed into the Pokebank. No clue how that happened.

So going back to my original question. If I buy the Virtual Console versions of R/B and S/G, can I move Pokemon from those games and put them into the Pokebank and then move them back into R/B and/or S/G and Yellow/Crystal, so I can do shit like have all three starters in R/B or S/G at the start of the game once I can access the Pokecenter storage boxes?

No, once you move Pokemon from the VC games, they cannot be moved back. Technically speaking, when you move them from those games, they are being converted to completely new Pokemon entirely because the data structures of gen 1-2 and 3+ are entirely different.

I would imagine it's not impossible to write an algorithm or script that could allow for it to work, but I'm fairly certain GF made it the way it is to avoid as many points of potential data corruption as they could.

Buuuuuut, it is GF, so they could just be lazy assholes.

 

[Executive Petrel]

I think it's a Galar situation, where it's just completely fucked in terms of execution and even mostly in concept.

Spoiler: autistic rant on gen 9

I've never been a fan of regions that are just an entire country as opposed to a region of one- it makes the world feel smaller, and forces the devs to generalize far more than they would otherwise- and Paldea is even worse than those, with it seemingly being based on the entire Iberian peninsula as opposed to just a part of it, even if it ends up mostly being Spain (Cascaraffa and the big city's main square are very portugal-inspired as far as i'm aware, as well as the town you need to get to in order to beat that awful awful water gym leader).

There's also just the general feel of newer Pokémon that's turned me off of the newer games' worlds that I mentioned, that heavy emphasis on wacky sci-fi as opposed to more subtle theming like even gens 5 or 6 had (which still had this problem), and I hate the dex. I can't say I even like more than 5 new Pokémon, Paradoxes excluded because they're just tweaked reskins of older mon, and that's in the biggest dex we've had since Unova.
A lot of the world is also very empty and bland, with an excess of empty grassy fields that the game tricks you into thinking are heavily populated by scattering items every 2 steps. I can't think of a single landmark outside of the main city's type wheel, or MAYBE those RGBY sprite mosaics in the psychic town.
The gym challenges are a bore, with hardly any of them requiring any thought and most being unrelated to the gym itself (why are you making me do a tutorial for auctions before I can fight the water guy, how does hide and seek correlate to art or streaming in the slightest), along with the designs of the gym leaders being awful. All of the characters are a total eyesore, actually, which contributes a lot...
Even the story sucks shit, with absolutely nothing happening for 90% of it before a big exposition dump and a cool boss battle at the end that does absolutely nothing besides assault you with information and let you listen to the only good music tracks in the game. Not to mention the horribly blatant DLC bait that was the lack of basic character customization, Heath's journal, the big black spot in the top-right of the map.
The game is piss-easy to the point where I was still overleveled compared to every trainer even after completely redoing my team three separate times, and the lack of level scaling is an absolute fucking joke.
I won't touch on the removed features, the terrible graphics, the horrible performance, the needless battle gimmicks, etc. That's been par for the course since XY or SMish and isn't exclusive to Paldea.

Really, it's all up to personal preference, and for me these games just do absolutely nothing. I can find no good in them without heavy caveats, I couldn't even finish it. I got through the elite 4 and champion after completing the other two paths and then called it quits. Hated my playthrough more than any other, which is a feat considering the last two generations lol. Very glad I pirated it.
If I had to "fix" them, I'd probably shrink the scope down incredibly. Focus on a single region of Spain, try to pack as much cool shit to do as possible in that area, fire every single artist and map designer and start anew. That's just the bare minimum, but hopefully that gets across what I mean by "beyond saving in any respect". Nothing about the execution works for me, and very little of the concept does.

Sorry if I come off as kind of mad at it. I've been seething at the bit because I really love this world and still enjoy older games plenty. It sucks to see your favorite franchise get beaten to death, shat on, paraded around as innovative, and then turn around to see everyone else who used to enjoy it saying this is the best the franchise has been in years. And I have nothing better to do than watch as it burns so lol.

Long autistic sperging aside, tl;dr: concept is bad, execution is worse. I salute you for your efforts and wish you luck regardless

Pokemon and open world dont fit together, change my mind. Especially with the developers fucking up the level curve all the time.
Galar is a joke and so is paldea, even the linear routes from Kalos and Alola are better than this mess.
It's just boring, youre travelling through a badly developed toy world you can't deeply interact with.
If this wasn't the case, people wouldn't have had so much fun with the glitches. They are the most interactive feature in Gen 9 overworld.
Pokemon works best with a structured map with a little wiggle room like in Kanto and Johto.

 

[Anonitolia]

Pokemon works best with a structured map with a little wiggle room like in Kanto and Johto.

personally I think Sinnoh and Hoenn do this much better (they have less issues with levelling, and Hoenn especially has this gorgeous spiral outwards from Littleroot that makes travelling always feel very fulfilling and keeps backtracking feasible and fun), but I otherwise wholly agree
I understand the appeal of the open world, and I'd love to see the concept done justice, but I don't think I'd ever prefer even a good open world to more linear structure with more wiggle room.
I just kept quiet about that when it was discussed pre-gen 9 because bringing it up whenever people discussed how linear Alola or Galar were was like asking for someone to yell at you about how shit gen 1 was or how linearity was always bad because Unova was a circle.
/vp/ sucks so much man. Glad this thread exists so there's at least one other place to discuss this franchise without the discussion being primarily made up of bugmen who buy thousands of dollars worth of TCG stuff well into their mid-30s.

 

[BlerdBjern]

I don't think I've ever had a more unpleasant experience in a videogame than trying to do Iron Leaves Tera Raids.

It's so fucking laggy, shit will just happen for seemingly no reason.

 

[MirrorNoir]

No, once you move Pokemon from the VC games, they cannot be moved back. Technically speaking, when you move them from those games, they are being converted to completely new Pokemon entirely because the data structures of gen 1-2 and 3+ are entirely different.

I would imagine it's not impossible to write an algorithm or script that could allow for it to work, but I'm fairly certain GF made it the way it is to avoid as many points of potential data corruption as they could.

Buuuuuut, it is GF, so they could just be lazy assholes.

So in other words, I'm fucked if I want to get a Meowth to play in Red or Yellow and double fucked in that I can not ge ANY of the trade evolutions in the VC versions of the Gen 1/2 games?

 

[Nick Gars]

So in other words, I'm fucked if I want to get a Meowth to play in Red or Yellow and double fucked in that I can not ge ANY of the trade evolutions in the VC versions of the Gen 1/2 games?

Without a second 3DS, sadly, yes.
I've seen evidence of flash carts and stuff being able to actually trade with legit games and even up to Home, so I would assume a modded 3DS with a VC game could circumvent this issue even when the eShop is gone.

The Mew glitch can also circumvent being unable to obtain certain Pokemon in the Gen 1 games, but anything involving any kind of storage or trading would require another console.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

So in other words, I'm fucked if I want to get a Meowth to play in Red or Yellow and double fucked in that I can not ge ANY of the trade evolutions in the VC versions of the Gen 1/2 games?

Try using the Checkpoint homebrew if you have a hacked 3DS.

 

[Archeops]

I managed to boost my Shiny count in Scarlet recently,,,

• A third Shiny Hoppip
• Shiny Iron Treads (obtained via Surprise Trade and it’s not one of those shitty injection site advert ‘mons)
• Shiny Tatsugiri (Droopy Form)
• Shiny Dratini
• Shiny Altaria (from a Tera Raid Den)

The Shiny Iron Treads was a major shocker to me and the Altaria was a first for me.

I sold my soul to Funko Pop today.
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The Pokémon POPs are some of the more aggravating items I've had to deal in terms of explaining shit to people, in this case it's explaining how licensing works. And yes, it's because a lot of these people think that Nintendo signed off on 'em (it's actually TPCi's doing) and that means other Nintendo IPs are on the negotiating table.

Oh, and there will be POPs that are exclusive to the US, Canada, and UK Pokémon Centers coming soon. There are theories that they’ll be Shiny considering the wording on the site’s adverts.

 

[Nick Gars]

Bit of a PSA for Scarlet/Violet.

There seems to be some data corruption issue with either the GO connectivity or DLC which can result in a lost save file. If you have used the Go connectivity or downloaded the pre-order DLC, I would recommend not playing your main profile until it has been patched. According to Reddit (yeah, I know), while it's only occured for a small number of people, it seems more common than it should be (around 1% of user have experienced it from their data set). Utterly embarrassing GF. Nintendo eventually gave in to save backups for Animal Crossing because of shit like this, get with the fucking times GF. Worrying about "cloning" or "exploits" is a bullshit excuse when it's already so easy to hack the Switch, it's quite rediculous for me to be actually considering jailbreaking my Switch just to have the means to backup my save file.

Oh but if it's a duplication bug, you assholes are on that shit fast. Utterly clownish.




In other news, Smogon is already having talks regarding banning Walking Wake from OU. I saw that shit coming the second I caught one and saw what it can do. It's a real mystery why I don't play Showdown, I gotta say.