Islam

[Ntwadumela]

That's because there are not only no "equally violent" strands in the West, there are literally no violent strands at all. There is simply no comparison between the two and people who use bullshit moral relativism or ridiculous analogies like the crusades (horrible war of self-defense from Muslim aggression) or killings over abortion (8 in the last 40 years, 4 of them in the last year by a legit schizo freak) are anti-western retards and the useful idiots of our day.

Islam is a cancer to society and needs to either reform completely or be excised from the West. There can be no coexistence with Islam as it is at this moment

You do realize that the KKK were Christians as well and there are mass killings of Muslims in Myanmar, and that there are many Muslims who do NOT advocate these killings at all and mind their own businesses? My two cents.

 

[BZ 679]

You do realize that the KKK were Christians as well and there are mass killings of Muslims in Myanmar, and that there are many Muslims who do NOT advocate these killings at all and mind their own businesses? My two cents.

I understand that you have a deeply personal stake in this issue but excuse the fuck out of me for not seeing "minding their own businesses" as good enough anymore.

 

[Ntwadumela]

I understand that you have a deeply personal stake in this issue but excuse the fuck out of me for not seeing "minding their own businesses" as good enough anymore.

I know about that, but the truth of the matter is, where I come from we don't advocate such disgusting acts and have condemned ISIS before. They bombed a Shia mosque last ramadan and my government's response was to execute those who have assisted the suicide bomber. I have a deep-seated hatred of them just as much as all of you.

 

[BZ 679]

I know about that, but the truth of the matter is, where I come from we don't advocate such disgusting acts and have condemned ISIS before. They bombed a Shia mosque last ramadan and my government's response was to execute those who have assisted the suicide bomber. I have a deep-seated hatred of them just as much as all of you.

Most people with working brains know not all Muslims are terrorists, dude.

 

[Male Idiot]

I feel like I have to say while there are christian extremists, they do not have the same political power, the Saudi-moneybag support or the same popularity as Wahabbis do.

Westboro is not nearly as dangerous as IS and its fellows, not by a long shot. They are also a strictly US only thing, while Wahabis are spreading world wide.

Also, I did not know there are basketball universities in the US. The uppermost layer of sports education here seems highschool only, but I guess it makes sense for US to have more.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

You do realize that the KKK were Christians as well and there are mass killings of Muslims in Myanmar, and that there are many Muslims who do NOT advocate these killings at all and mind their own businesses? My two cents.

See that's the bullshit moral relativism I am talking about.

The KKK was not a religious group anymore than the the Aryan Nation and Christian Identity"churches" are religious groups. They were and are first and foremost racist groups and they decided to embrace some religious aspect to reel in more people but its obviously bullshit. There is no comparison whatsoever with groups like ISIS that are actually rooted in Islam. The Christian world rejects those racist groups and their views in 99,9999% of the case.

Definitely not so when it comes to Islamic terror groups.

I know about that, but the truth of the matter is, where I come from we don't advocate such disgusting acts and have condemned ISIS before. They bombed a Shia mosque last ramadan and my government's response was to execute those who have assisted the suicide bomber. I have a deep-seated hatred of them just as much as all of you.

And your government's response to homosexuality is to jail people up to 6 years, and as far back as the good old days of 2013, a couple of hundreds of people were rounded up arrested and jailed for perverse homosexual behavior in a series of raid on the same week.


You seem like a nice enough guy, and as far as Middle-Eastern countries goes Kuwait is definitely near the top of the list, but stop pretending that Western values and those of your country are the same, or that Christianity and Islam are remotely similar in their use of violent, past and current.

 

[Ntwadumela]

See that's the bullshit moral relativism I am talking about.

The KKK was not a religious group anymore than the the Aryan Nation and Christian Identity"churches" are religious groups. They were and are first and foremost racist groups and they decided to embrace some religious aspect to reel in more people but its obviously bullshit. There is no comparison whatsoever with groups like ISIS that are actually rooted in Islam. The Christian world rejects those racist groups and their views in 99,9999% of the case.

Definitely not so when it comes to Islamic terror groups.



And your government's response to homosexuality is to jail people up to 6 years, and as far back as the good old days of 2013, a couple of hundreds of people were rounded up arrested and jailed for perverse homosexual behavior in a series of raid on the same week.


You seem like a nice enough guy, and as far as Middle-Eastern countries goes Kuwait is definitely near the top of the list, but stop pretending that Western values and those of your country are the same, or that Christianity and Islam are remotely similar in their use of violent, past and current.

I understand that. My point was that there are bad eggs in every single religion, race and nation. Obviously it's wrong to jail people for having a different sexual orientation, but we don't stone or behead them either. I know my country's not perfect, but it's in a completely different league compared to Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan or Pakistan. People here are more advanced in their way of thinking even if we still need to work on certain issues.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

I understand that. My point was that there are bad eggs in every single religion, race and nation. Obviously it's wrong to jail people for having a different sexual orientation, but we don't stone or behead them either. I know my country's not perfect, but it's in a completely different league compared to Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan or Pakistan. People here are more advanced in their way of thinking even if we still need to work on certain issues.

And I'm the first one to admit that.

But as long as you haven't done your work and completely reformed the whole religion and the way Muslims behave in the MENA it is incompatible with Western values and we must make sure we do not tolerate it implanting itself here.

 

[Ntwadumela]

And I'm the first one to admit that.

But as long as you haven't done your work and completely reformed the whole religion and the way Muslims behave in the MENA it is incompatible with Western values and we must make sure we do not tolerate it implanting itself here.

The major issue is Wahhabism. That is our target to eliminate in order to make it coexist with Western values. Believe me, I'm behind the idea of making coexistence 100%. Groups like ISIS and the Taliban are extremists who are looked down upon by the majority of us. I would also like to include that people here were jailed for being recruited to ISIS:
http://m.gdnonline.com/details.html?id=82320
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...uwait-court-jails-three-ISIS-supporters-.html
And here's the report for execution:
http://m.gulfnews.com/news/gulf/kuw...ds-death-sentence-in-mosque-bombing-1.1636559
Also, I would like to add that there are many sects within Sunni and Shia Islam, and certain beliefs have been contested by scholars. The majority of them however disagree with Wahhabist groups like ISIS.

 

[Male Idiot]

To be fair, jailing gay people is a more moderate response than fucking throwing them off the fucking roof or killing them otherwise.

They could/should be less strict, but to fix a problem, you always need to fix the biggest source, the Wahabbi/radicals first.

If their mosque-bombings are any indication, the radicals are trying to do a "long knives" to the other muslim groups, so fixing them is everybody's priority.

 

[DZ 305]

The most radicalized Muslims who attack in the west are all born in western countries and become more radical than their parents who left their birth shitholes.

A ton of them also become radicalized later on through the internet or neighborhood mosque or DVD or a friend.

Just look at how any thousands of non-radicalized youths in Europe left to fight for ISIS after become radicalized after only a few months.

So why take a chance? Just stop all Muslim immigration here until Islam has reformed and these things stop happening.

Islam isn't an organized religion, @Ntwadumela can tell you there are more to muslims than Sunni and Shia. You are asking imams to reform Islam, which many have done, and as a result, we have westernized muslims. The London mayor comes to mind. And you still have to explain how stopping immigration now would have stopped somebody BORN and raised here. The arguments used for barring muslim immigrants are identical to the populist nativism that was used against the Irish and Italian Catholics. And those arguments sure fell on their ass

 

[autisticdragonkin]

Islam isn't an organized religion, @Ntwadumela can tell you there are more to muslims than Sunni and Shia. You are asking imams to reform Islam, which many have done, and as a result, we have westernized muslims. The London mayor comes to mind. And you still have to explain how stopping immigration now would have stopped somebody BORN and raised here. The arguments used for barring muslim immigrants are identical to the populist nativism that was used against the Irish and Italian Catholics. And those arguments sure fell on their ass

Catholics weren't engaging in anti protestant guerilla warfare back then

 

[Male Idiot]

Islam isn't an organized religion, @Ntwadumela can tell you there are more to muslims than Sunni and Shia. You are asking imams to reform Islam, which many have done, and as a result, we have westernized muslims. The London mayor comes to mind. And you still have to explain how stopping immigration now would have stopped somebody BORN and raised here. The arguments used for barring muslim immigrants are identical to the populist nativism that was used against the Irish and Italian Catholics. And those arguments sure fell on their ass

I feel like barring immigration would be a stopgap measure because the US can do nothing against extremism. The additional talent gained by talented immigrants seems outweighted by the danger currently posed by the extremists.

 

[autisticdragonkin]

I agree we should also block the immigration of all communists as they are a threat to a way of life and believe in a murderous ideology intent on overturning our form of government.

thanks for the added support to my point fam

Communism=Islam ?

Wahabism is a greater threat to the western way of life than Communism ever was. Communism as a whole was pretty much western values even if attached to a corrupt government with a terrible economy. They funded insurgents but it was always clear that they never wanted to subject Americans to Genocide.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Communism=Islam ?

Communism is a lot worse and deadlier than even Islam.

Marxism, not even once

Islam isn't an organized religion, @Ntwadumela can tell you there are more to muslims than Sunni and Shia. You are asking imams to reform Islam, which many have done, and as a result, we have westernized muslims. The London mayor comes to mind. And you still have to explain how stopping immigration now would have stopped somebody BORN and raised here. The arguments used for barring muslim immigrants are identical to the populist nativism that was used against the Irish and Italian Catholics. And those arguments sure fell on their ass

I was born as a non-Muslim in a majority Muslim so please spare me the lectures on what Islam really is like.

If we had a ban on Muslims that guys father (who is pro-Taliban and anti-American) would not have been allowed in. Same with the family of the Boston marathon bombers.

Just because you are already bleeding doesn't mean you sit on your ass and keep bleeding until you die. You suture and bandage that wound until it stops.

American Muslims who are citizens deserve their rights the way all citizens do. Muslims who are not American do not have a right to come here and since Islam is leading the world in terms of anti-western terror attacks we need to stop all immigration of people who share that ideology.

If they were Buddhists then it is their immigration we would stop.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Communism killed at least 100 millions and forced billions to live under totalitarianism

Call me when Islam is close to that

Spoiler

today it's by far the bigger threat we face though

 

[Ntwadumela]

Communism is a lot worse and deadlier than even Islam.

Marxism, not even once



I was born as a non-Muslim in a majority Muslim so please spare me the lectures on what Islam really is like.

If we had a ban on Muslims that guys father (who is pro-Taliban and anti-American) would not have been allowed in. Same with the family of the Boston marathon bombers.

Just because you are already bleeding doesn't mean you sit on your ass and keep bleeding until you die. You suture and bandage that wound until it stops.

American Muslims who are citizens deserve their rights the way all citizens do. Muslims who are not American do not have a right to come here and since Islam is leading the world in terms of anti-western terror attacks we need to stop all immigration of people who share that ideology.

If they were Buddhists then it is their immigration we would stop.

I would like to ask if you don't mind, which Islamic country were you born in? I'm very curious. Laws vary by country, and so do peoples' perspectives and outlooks on life and religion.
Back on topic, people should be checked in order to be let in the country. Far too often do we see people who have been integrated into American society commit disgusting crimes, and it is only if we push efforts into checking them that we can prevent more incidents.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

We are a small enough community that I'm not gonna dox myself by giving specifics.

And since you are someone who would fall under that ban: I have nothing against you as a person, it is an ideological opposition. If Kuwaiti atheists or Christians want to move here I'm not opposed to it. And if the Muslim world as a whole reformed and terror died out I'd be more than happy to resume immigration

 

[Ntwadumela]

We are a small enough community that I'm not gonna dox myself by giving specifics.

And since you are someone who would fall under that ban: I have nothing against you as a person, it is an ideological opposition. If Kuwaiti atheists or Christians want to move here I'm not opposed to it. And if the Muslim world as a whole reformed and terror died out I'd be more than happy to resume immigration

You are not doxing yourself if you give out such information. Knowing which country you were raised in is crucial to open up different perspectives and reasons why you believe in such a way.
It's great that you feel this way towards me as a person, but you are forgetting that many people are condemning extremism and terrorism. I have already stated before that we have condemned these terrorists. I am not going to deny that terrorism from Islamic Fundamentalists is on the rise nowadays, but many people are against this. In addition, the fact that Islam has many different schools of thought means that they all have differing opinions on several matters.

 

[IvanaHumpalot]

I kinda can understand why these people (regressive left) would scream islamophobia but matter of fact is, people that scream that are:

1. Someone from a 1st world country that never had to experience living in Arab countries
2. Moderate Muslims that don't wish to be connected to extremes (even if they are bigoted themselves, of course you don't want to be connected to murderous sick fucks)
3. Extremist sick fucks that are trying to play nice and hide their hatred and shield themselves

Biggest problem here is the religious bigotry. One that's done by majority of religions in the world. Sick depravity that you have to control what other people do with their bodies and sexuality is so fucking disgusting that I kinda want to hit those people with a hammer. And saddest thing is, these people don't only bother if your homosexual, even if you're heterosexual they will give you pile of HUMONGOUS shit for dating anyone outside your religion. This shit is default by almost every religion.

Difference here is, in ''Christian'' countries, you don't have laws that punishes homosexuality by death. In West, LGBT can be more or less themselves, enjoy their freedom, and while there are hate crimes, they are expected to be punished. That's not case with good portion of Arab countries.

I saw one comment by this fucking retard borderline-sjw girl (I think she could fly as SJW now) commenting how West is still patriarchal while East is getting all the hate.

GIRL, I'D TAKE EVERYDAY PATRIARCHY INSTEAD OF GETTING STONED/IMPRISONED FOR GETTING RAPED.

And this is shit that infuriates me in oblivion. If this guy that murdered bunch of people was from, lets say, Turkey, you COULD argue that it's not rly much of an islam extremist thing. Turkey is even now really secular compared to the rest of Arabian peninsula (minus Erdogan, guy is complete twat) but Afghan, with ties of his father supporting Talibans?

No. Get that shit out of here. I'm sick of religions and their medling with how they should control people just because they follow book that's older than my grand-grand-gradnma.