Push to Require Clergy to Report Child Rape Stalls in Mormon Utah

A push to mandate members of religious clergy report child sexual abuse when it's brought to their attention is facing pushback from churches throughout the United States

By Associated Press

March 1, 2023, at 1:01 a.m.

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Lindsey Lundholm looked out over hundreds of people at the Utah State Capitol last year and felt a deep sense of healing. Abuse survivors, religious leaders and major party politicians were all gathered to rally for an end to a legal loophole that exempts religious clergy from being required to report child sexual abuse once it comes to their attention.

Lundholm, one of the rally's organizers, recalled telling the crowd how, growing up as a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Idaho, she told her bishop about her painful abuse only to see it go unreported.

Unearthing the trauma wasn't easy, but back in August she hoped reforms could be forthcoming so others would not face what she did.

“There was really a lot of momentum," said Lundholm, now a teacher in northern Utah. “Everyone we were talking to was like, ‘This is a no brainer. This is something that needs to be changed.’”

It hasn't.

Proposals to reform laws that exempt clergy from child sex abuse reporting requirements went nowhere in Utah’s statehouse this year, failing to receive even a hearing as lawmakers prepare to adjourn for the year. Efforts were stymied by a coalition of powerful religious groups, continuing a yearslong pattern in which Catholics, Latter-day Saints and Jehovah’s Witnesses have defended the exemptions as survivors like Lundholm fight for reform.

In Utah, where the majority of lawmakers are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, state law requires most professionals — therapists, doctors and teachers among them — report abuse, yet clergy are exempt from alerting authorities about abuse they learn of through confessions.

Republicans and Democrats announced plans last year to reform laws that exempt religious clergy from reporting child sexual abuse cases revealed in conversations with parishioners.

Behind-the-scenes conversations between legislative leaders in Utah and what Senate President Stuart Adams said was “a broad base of religious groups” helped thwart four separate proposals to add clergy to the list of professionals required to report child sexual abuse.

“I think they have First Amendment rights and religious protections,” Adams, a Latter-day Saint himself, said, noting fears among religious leaders that clergy could be punished for breaking vows of confidentiality.

Each proposal was introduced or announced after an Associated Press investigation found that the Utah-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' sexual abuse reporting hotline can be misused by its leaders to divert abuse accusations away from law enforcement and instead to church attorneys who may bury the problem, leaving victims in harm’s way.

In lawsuits detailed in the investigation, attorneys from the faith widely known as the Mormon church have argued clergy-penitent privilege allows them to refuse to answer questions and turn over documents about alleged sexual abuse.

Church officials declined to comment about the stalled legislative efforts. The Catholic Diocese of Salt Lake City did not respond to requests for comment but campaigned against them, saying in January that priests and clergy were different from other professionals mandated to report sexual abuse.

“Legislation that would require a priest to (report sexual abuse) violates our right to practice our religion,” Bishop Oscar Solis, of the Salt Lake City Diocese, wrote in a Jan. 25 letter to parishioners.

Utah Gov. Spencer Cox last month said he “had no problem with the bills moving forward” and receiving consideration in the statehouse.

“I think it’s an important conversation to have. We’ve encouraged the Legislature to look at this and make sure that our model is the right model,” he told reporters.

Marci Hamilton, chief executive of the abuse prevention nonprofit Child USA, said churches have maintained the same playbook for decades in opposing more disclosure.

Routinely it involves a two-pronged approach, defending clergy-penitent privilege in statehouses and using it to avoid damaging disclosures in court cases, said Hamilton, also a University of Pennsylvania law professor.

"They have not veered from it. Both institutions are hoping that time will simply let everybody start trusting them again," Hamilton said, referring to Catholics and Latter-day Saints.

But, she added, "by preventing the public — and especially the sincere believers — from getting the full story you don’t create the accountability that these organizations should be held to and the secrets continue.”

“The problem in the United States — and this is particularly acute in state like Utah — is that the lobbying power of these religious organizations is so extraordinary,” Hamilton said.

Laws in 33 states exempt clergy — regardless of religion — from laws requiring people report child sexual abuse allegations to authorities. Religious leaders have systematically fought efforts to expand the list of states. They currently oppose efforts from Vermont to Washington, where a proposal advanced through the state Senate Tuesday.

Kansas lawmakers introduced multiple proposals on penalties for not reporting suspected child sexual abuse, including one in the state Senate that would have added clergy to a list of mandatory reporters. It faced especially fierce public rebukes from Catholic leaders because it didn’t exempt confessions. No proposal received even a hearing before an initial deadline this year.

In the wake of the AP's investigation last year, Republican state Rep. Phil Lyman and Democratic Rep. Angela Romero announced plans to reform Utah's clergy-penitent privilege loophole. Lyman, who served six years as a Latter-day Saints' bishop, said at the time lawmakers should want to reexamine the loophole “regardless of religious or political affiliation.”

“People should be able to go and confess their sins to their bishop without fear of being prosecuted up until when they are confessing something that has affected someone’s else life significantly,” he told the AP in August.

Lyman ultimately released a proposal that broadly affirmed clergy's exemption from mandatory reporting. It didn't advance or receive any hearing as lawmakers prepare to adjourn Friday. He did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

Proposals from Democratic Reps. Romero and Brian King, and Sen. Stephanie Pitcher to close or narrow the loophole have also not moved forward amid opposition from religious groups.

Both Pitcher and Romero, who is Catholic, said they planned to reintroduce their proposals next year.

“With AP uncovering what they uncovered, you'd think this would be a matter of urgency for this Legislature and for Legislatures across the country. But again we are allowing these institutions to dictate what we mandate,” Romero said, referring to the Catholic Church.

Several Utah lawmakers told AP that opponents of limiting clergy-penitent privilege regarding child sexual abuse had circulated research that they claimed suggests mandatory reporting reform doesn't result in more confirmed reports of sexual abuse and may deter perpetrators from speaking to clergy.

“What most of the research shows is that if people aren’t able to come to them for fear of being reported on, they’re not able to provide the help and support they need,” Sen. Ann Milner said.

However, conclusions drawn from the study, which the Catholic Diocese also circulated in opposition to a similar bill from Romero in three years ago, have been challenged by its authors.

University of Michigan law professor Frank Vandervort and his co-author, Vincent Palusci, a pediatrics professor at New York University, told the AP last year the study was limited, partly because churches often wouldn’t give them access to relevant data.
“A single article should not be the basis for making policy decisions,” Vandervort said. “It may be entirely the case that there’s no connection between the changing of the laws and the number of reports.”

Lundholm said Utah lawmakers adjourning without having a “true public discussion” on any clergy-penitent privilege reform proposal provoked eerily familiar feelings for survivors. Though she never expected political change to happen overnight, she said survivors like her who had abuse go unreported — once again — feel unheard.

“Maybe the worst part is that this is something that survivors experience often, and unfortunately, it’s rare when their stories are heard,” she said.
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The story has been updated to correct the spelling of the first name of Lindsey Lundholm.
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Associated Press writers Joey Cappelletti in Lansing, Michigan, and John Hanna in Topeka, Kansas, contributed to this report.
Copyright 2023 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
 
Give her a little bit, she ran off when she saw she fucked up in her headcanon about me obssesively negrating her after she finally figured out I did it because it's hillarious, and that I did it within two minutes.
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Try typing a sentence in the English language. Doesn't change the fact you were so mad about this thread you literally spent time sending like fucking 100 negrates in a row. People have been modded here fore that kind of shit even by the site owner, so I would suggest chilling out and toning down your autism a bit, pedo-defender.

Since this thread has been successfully derailed by this argumnet-less sperg and the lolicon poster against reporting child rape in general (lol at that again), I'm not responding again until someone has something to say about the specific topic of this thread.
 
Try typing a sentence in the English language. Doesn't change the fact you were so mad about this thread you literally spent time sending like fucking 100 negrates in a row. People have been modded here fore that kind of shit even by the site owner, so I would suggest chilling out and toning down your autism a bit, pedo-defender.

Since this thread has been successfully derailed by this argumnet-less sperg and the lolicon poster against reporting child rape in general (lol at that again), I'm not responding again until someone has something to say about the specific topic of this thread.
Holy fucking shit you're still at it. Thats not the argument, the argument is getting the state involved and creating false reports and hense forcing the priest to lie nigger. Get negrated
 
Holy fucking shit you're still at it. Thats not the argument, the argument is getting the state involved
>the argument is getting the state involved
>repeating this whopper of a quote a second time

Of course the state should be involved in stopping children from being molested, you Mormon cultist. Your phony religion does not exist in a vacuum. If you molest children in the United States, you go to fucking prison.

Odd thing to say in a thread discussing about pedophilia.

Watch out, you'll offend the pedo-sexuals. They think they're a minorty after all. lol
 
>the argument is getting the state involved
>repeating this whopper of a quote a second time

Of course the state should be involved in stopping children from being molested, you Mormon cultist. Your phony religion does not exist in a vacuum. If you molest children in the United States, you go to fucking prison.



Watch out, you'll offend the pedo-sexuals. They think they're a minorty after all. lol
You do realize a priest is consulted for way more than murder and rape, right? Usually, as in 99.9 percent of the time, it's because you feel like shit. Making a exception and violating the boundaries between church and state when the priest himself can just make an anonymous tip and deal with it quietly, is buttfuckingly stupid. You're asking to violate the privacy of everyone that consults a priest, make him a cianigger. Fuck you. Fuck your argument, because you have none.
 
Anyways, child abusers/pedos get the rope, no exceptions.
Except when they tell a Catholic priest or Mormon elder according to people this thread (or according to the lolicon want it to be reported in other instances). Then the pedos get to go free apparently.

You do realize a priest is consulted for way more than murder and rape, right? Usually, as in 99.9 percent of the time, it's because you feel like shit. Making a exception and violating the boundaries between church and state when the priest himself can just make an anonymous tip and deal with it quietly, is buttfuckingly stupid. You're asking to violate the privacy of everyone that consults a priest, make him a cianigger. Fuck you. Fuck your argument, because you have none.
I'm not talking about cases other than child rape, you idiot. It's the topic of this thread. Why should a priest just shrug off learning a child is being abused and not do everyting in their power to get justice and save the child? That's an evil person, and they deserve the worst that hell has to offer honestly. Like someone else said, you are literally arguing for "kiddy diddling confidentiality." Fuck off, Salt Lake fag. If that's how it works, fuck both Catholic priests and Mormon elders. Protecthing child molesters has nothing to do with religion and Christianity, and fuck you for arguing so.
 
Except when they tell a Catholic priest or Mormon elder according to people this thread (or according to the lolicon want it to be reported in other instances). Then the pedos get to go free apparently.


I'm not talking about cases other than child rape, you idiot. It's the topic of this thread. Why should a priest just shrug off learning a child is being abused and not do everyting in their power to get justice and save the child? That's an evil person, and they deserve the worst that hell has to offer honestly. Like someone else said, you are literally arguing for "kiddy diddling confidentiality." Fuck off, Salt Lake fag. If that's how it works, fuck both Catholic priests and Mormon elders. Protecthing child molesters has nothing to do with religion and Christianity, and fuck you for arguing so.
Have you ever, even for one second, considered that there is a difference between doing something voluntarily because you have genuine suspicion, and being compelled to do so by force of law?
 
Except when they tell a Catholic priest or Mormon elder according to people this thread (or according to the lolicon want it to be reported in other instances). Then the pedos get to go free apparently.


I'm not talking about cases other than child rape, you idiot. It's the topic of this thread. Why should a priest just shrug off learning a child is being abused and not do everyting in their power to get justice and save the child? That's an evil person, and they deserve the worst that hell has to offer honestly. Like someone else said, you are literally arguing for "kiddy diddling confidentiality." Fuck off, Salt Lake fag. If that's how it works, fuck both Catholic priests and Mormon elders. Protecthing child molesters has nothing to do with religion and Christianity, and fuck you for arguing so.
Now I'm truly offended; you think I live in Salt Lake. I gave you your out, and it truly isn't up for debate; Religion is protected under the first amendment. Government can't fuck with it. Which it would given half the chance. Which is what this is about. You've created a strawman. A hypothetical. A rapist will never tell a priest his crime, he's too far gone. And I trust a priest enough to alert the authorities on his own. Its called honor. Or did you forget; people have morals, and don't need to be held at gunpoint to do the right thing? You just want to win the argument. You won't.
 
Now I'm truly offended; you think I live in Salt Lake. I gave you your out, and it truly isn't up for debate; Religion is protected under the first amendment. Government can't fuck with it. Which it would given half the chance. Which is what this is about. You've created a strawman. A hypothetical. A rapist will never tell a priest his crime, he's too far gone. And I trust a priest enough to alert the authorities on his own. Its called honor. Or did you forget; people have morals, and don't need to be held at gunpoint to do the right thing? You just want to win the argument. You won't.

It's not a hypothetical, there was another thread posted her by someone else about Mormon child abuse. The child abuse in the Catholic Church is extremely infamous. Want to be free from scrutiny by the government? Don't rape children. Supposed houses of worship are not supposed to be dens for criminal activity and protecting criminals. That is definitely not part of the separation of church and state.

A rapist will never tell a priest his crime, he's too far gone.

Then what is the point of you sperging out for 8 pages? Why argue that priests should be allowed to shield child rapists?

Its called honor. Or did you forget; people have morals

Apparently Catholics and Mormons have none. If you don't think that a priest or whoever else that hears about a child being raped and doesn't immediately work with the police to save that child, they are a peice of shit and deserve the worst. People who ignore child sexual abuse and shield the perpetrators are culpable, period.
 
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It's not a hypothetical, there was another thread posted her by someone else about Mormon child abuse. The child abuse in the Catholic Church is extremely infamous. Want to be free from scrutiny by the government? Don't rape children. Supposed houses of worship are not supposed to be dens for criminal activity and protecting criminals. That is definitely not part of the separation of church and state.



Then what is the point of you sperging out for 8 pages? Why argue that priests should be allowed to shield child rapists?



Apparently Catholics and Mormons have none. If you don't think that a priest or whoever else that hears about a child being raped and doesn't immediately work with the police to save that child, they are a peice of shit and deserve the worst. People who ignore child sexual abuse and shield the perpetrators are culpable, period.
Cool, but basically none of this is relevant to the actual topic at hand. Extant abuse in any organization is neither corrected nor made more likely to be fixed if mandatory reporting is made compulsory; the abuser is the mandatory reporter, they are already committing a crime.

The actual topic, which you seem to have forgotten, is if mandatory reporting should be instituted. There is a huge difference between people reporting crimes on the basis of some knowledge, and being compelled to report suspicion of crimes which is what mandatory reporting is. Again, evidence seems to indicate mandatory reporting does not fix a problem and can even make it worse in contrast to regular, informed reporting of a crime.

Also lol at you literally seeking out older comments of mine you forgot to negrate just to negrate them. Stop being mad about stickers.
 
Odd thing to say in a thread discussing about pedophilia.
You mean the fifth thread started by OP after being btfo'd in a thread about faggotry cuz not everyone hates mormons?

Not really odd. simp.
Try typing a sentence in the English language. Doesn't change the fact you were so mad about this thread you literally spent time sending like fucking 100 negrates in a row. People have been modded here fore that kind of shit even by the site owner, so I would suggest chilling out and toning down your autism a bit, pedo-defender.

Since this thread has been successfully derailed by this argumnet-less sperg and the lolicon poster against reporting child rape in general (lol at that again), I'm not responding again until someone has something to say about the specific topic of this thread.
Oh god first you can't tell time, now you can't tell numbers, can't read, AND can't spell. lmao. Woman moment. No wonder you can't think linearly. Femcel.

What part of: Maybe stop thinking your opposition are pedos just because they disagree with you (not even about the topic, but you personally - you butthurt faggot). And maybe people will stop calling you retarded. Or do either way. It's funny.


Also some last word btw. Forgot to mention that. Good job running away and coming back.
 
You mean the fifth thread started by OP after being btfo'd in a thread about faggotry cuz not everyone hates mormons?

Not really odd. simp.
I'm a simp for not knowing what the hell you're talking about? I read the whole thread and thought it was odd that the topic of pedophilia lead into "stop butting into people's relationships." You do know how bad that looks, right?
 
I'm a simp for not knowing what the hell you're talking about? I read the whole thread and thought it was odd that the topic of pedophilia lead into "stop butting into people's relationships." You do know how bad that looks, right?
Your first problem was thinking I give a shit how you think it looks to you.

Your second was being given a hint about the source of all this. Ignoring it. Continuing. And then thinking I'll give a shit after.
Maybe don't tell me how things "look" if you can't fucking look yourself. This is, quite literally, the only thing OP has been bitching about for.... a week now?
 
Woman moment. No wonder you can't think linearly. Femcel.
Eternally mad faggot is mad again. Shocker.

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What part of: Maybe stop thinking your opposition are pedos just because they disagree with you (not even about the topic, but you personally - you butthurt faggot). And maybe people will stop calling you retarded. Or do either way. It's funny.

Have you considered not molesting children?

Also some last word btw. Forgot to mention that. Good job running away and coming back.

You have literally not added anything to the thread but chimping out like an ape at me. None of your posts relate to OP, it's just pure sperg rage, "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE." Of course, I'm going to stop replying to you when I get bored of making fun of you. Slapping around a retard gets old eventually.
 
Ok. This proves that you shouldn't make judgements on headlines. I know Mormons are weird, and I have been reading the word "stall" here as a noun, like a synonym for "booth", not as a verb, a synonym for "halt". I've been assuming Mormons had horrible, child rape cupboards. So I'd been avoiding this thread until now.
I'm a retard. Doubly a retard for sharing my idiocy with you fine people.
 
Eternally mad faggot is mad again. Shocker.

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Man you really love spamming that image without even looking at it. You still haven't notice that one thing I snuck in. lmao.
Good job. Femcel.

You really do not get what is fucking happening - and actively ignoring it, it's goddamn entertaining.
You know the trifecta of persuasion techniques right?
You've failed all three. At once. In a matter of minutes. Good job.
You have literally not added anything to the thread but chimping out like an ape at me. None of your posts relate to OP, it's just pure sperg rage, "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE." Of course, I'm going to stop replying to you when I get bored of making fun of you. Slapping around a retard gets old eventually.
Ah yes because your thread is SUCH a FOUNTAIN of knowledge and totally not some edifice on your ego whereupon everyone should WORSHIP your very nuanced takes such as:
>literally spends hours giving a wall of negrates
On the other hand, only a complete psycho would lie about raping children.
My assumption is that priest are bad people just trying to play a role then and are more concerned with avoiding controversy to protect a hierarchy than helping people.
I can't think of anyone who would type this setence other than a pedophile.
and ALL those who disagree are eternally buttmad pedophiles defending *CURRENT TARGET OF YOUR IRE* cuz muh vagina.

Would you like me to translate this one in english so you get it? Or I guess "your" english. Since apparently the only english you know is "pedophile" like some dumbfuck pokemon.
 
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