Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

When you have problems, you need solutions, and Russian citizens have plenty of that
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"This rot has spread too far and now they don't love us anymore!" "They are not our brothers and sisters."

This is what I love most about people claiming "Russophobia", if a country annexes a part of another country containing a major port and newly discovered natural resources, then helps start a civil war and even having unmarked soldiers fight on the side of the 'separatists', any fucking country is going to hate the other's guts.

This is why "Russophobia" exists, Eastern Europe is sick and fucking tired of Russia being an irrendentist backwater that constantly thinks all of Eastern Europe should be under it's thumb. "The Russian cries out in pain as he stabs you."
 
Kadyrov is a useful idiot who is becoming less useful. He is seeking to position himself to be far more than Putin would ever allow him to be. Building his own cult of personality. I think the moron might actually think he has the potential to be Putin's succesor. His fate was always going to be at the bottom of a tall building. The only question is has he annoyed Vlad enough to reach that point. Or has he simply annoyed Shoigu enough, and the calculus is Putin won't care? It's clear from all group photos and videos that regardless of whatever disagreements the Russian Cabinet might have with each other, they all view Kadyrov as a vile clown.
Just imagine Kadyrov's TikTok squad mounting a coup against Russia's limp-dicked and beaten up MoD... I'm not sure who would win, but I know it would be funny to watch.
When you have problems, you need solutions, and Russian citizens have plenty of that
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And I have to live with these fucking people.
 
"This rot has spread too far and now they don't love us anymore!" "They are not our brothers and sisters."

This is what I love most about people claiming "Russophobia", if a country annexes a part of another country containing a major port and newly discovered natural resources, then helps start a civil war and even having unmarked soldiers fight on the side of the 'separatists', any fucking country is going to hate the other's guts.

This is why "Russophobia" exists, Eastern Europe is sick and fucking tired of Russia being an irrendentist backwater that constantly thinks all of Eastern Europe should be under it's thumb. "The Russian cries out in pain as he stabs you."
What's that? Snekposter has a meme for this? It must be a day ending in "y"!
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When you have problems, you need solutions, and Russian citizens have plenty of that
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You know what they say: medieval problems require medieval solutions.
So we are back to 2 more weeks again. Lovely. Team Z was convinced several days ago that it was all over for Bakhmut. This level of blue balling has to be excruciating for them.
War is a democracy, and the enemy gets a vote.
 
Best guess is Ukraine appears to be holding on so long as defense is viable for obvious reasons of the Russians being autistically obsessed with taking it. MUH CULDRON is on hold until... uh.... Russia will encircle and cut off Bakhmut any day now!

The Yooknik copium is that they are pulling the troops and heavy weapons from Bakhmut that would have allowed them to push out from the town if the opportunity had presented, and going back to pure defense in that sector. The change is posture is due to to western weapons arriving and an impending push for Melitopol to sever Crimea.
We'll see how that plays out.
 
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When you have problems, you need solutions, and Russian citizens have plenty of that
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You'd think in a h3ckin based and Christpilled country like Russia that old people would realize they're going to die in like 5 years max and would try not to get themselves sent to hell. What can you do? Communism really does break peoples brains.
 
It’s as simple as “America Bad”. Anti-Americanism is their ideology. And yes, USA’s reasoning is always bullshit, while Russki & Chin reasoning is always gospel. Whataboutism 101: USA did it first! Simpsons did it. USA invented imperialism, war, propaganda, intelligence agencies...none of this existed before Great Satan...”casus belli” is a Merkin phrase. The CIA is everywhere...the FSB, GRU, UFWD, MSS are nowhere, never heard of them, are those K-Pop bands? Jimmy Dore never speaks of MSS & FSB activities. Maybe the Russian or Chinese Jimmy Dore talks about th...oh that’s right, Dmitri Dorski & Ji Mi Dong both died from unfortunate misadventures.



The radleft & radright smoothbrains have horseshoe’d into a shared cynicism of the USA, and the Ukrainians who have already suffered greatly for generations must suffer more for it. Tankies & Neo-Larouches jerking each other off, human centipede fifth-column of fuckery. It’s no coincidence that Larouche started out as a radical leftist. Jimmy Dore Show acolytes are the perfect microcosm of this horseshoeing. The radical-left are the poison dagger the Soviets jabbed us with all throughout the 20th century finally taking effect. The Q-tard radical right are a reaction to that leftist indoctrination, as well as the influence of populist conjobs (not mentioning names) and years of Russki & Chin propaganda/soft power targeted at them.

They seem to think the world would be better without a US presence...i.e. “let’s just withdraw from the world, they’re only there bc we’re there, everyone will stay in their lane! Only Donbabwean self-determination matters, Taiwan is a part of China & it’s not our business, who cares if the vast majority of Taiwanese don’t want to be part of the PRC & don’t even see themselves as Chinese anymore! International shipping will be fine without US ships patrolling the oceans. Chinese trawlers won’t violate other countries’ fisheries more than they already do. China & Russia will be much more fair & respectful.”
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The number of times I’ve seen the ulterior motives of American invasions & interventions discussed in western media, often the MSM: Immeasurable. The number of times I’ve seen the ulterior motives of Russian invasions & interventions discussed: practically zero. Barely anyone talks about it. Putin claims Russia won’t survive if it loses...the usual projecting. It’s Ukraine that won’t survive if it loses, because Putin is trying to grab most of its richest territory. Probably not to use it, just to keep Ukraine from ever using it & becoming a strong country. Moldovanization. If the United States invaded a neighboring country shortly after it started developing gas fields that could compete with ours, you’d never hear the end:

You forgot one major argument Russia and China makes: “America is making the world WOKE! We must stop this menace from invading our country, and we will eradicate that plague”!

That alone I think makes up at least 25% of the pro Russia viewpoints/arguments.
 
So does anyone know wtf is up with Bakhmut right now? I thought Ukraine was pulling out, but apparently the city is still contested and there is talk of a counter attack somewhere?

The head Wagner guy is claiming the Russian military has "betrayed them" so it's safe to say that they are getting their shit pushed in by the superior weaponary Ukraine has but aren't allowed to retreat.

Basically, the Russian military brass simply doesn't understand how modern wars work.
 
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Man, in the last thread I remember askign how useful a T-34 would be in the war as a retarded thought experiment. But every day it seems we get a little closer to it becoming a serious question
an old and obsolete tank is at the end of the day still a tank, so if you can get it in working condition you can probably still get some utility out of it.
the armor is obsolete against modern tanks and anti tank weapons, but it still deflects small arms fire and shrapnel perfectly fine.
the cannon is worthless against modern tanks too, but it can still punch holes in building walls and annihilate unarmored vehicles without issue (if it can hit its intended target lol)

probably the biggest downside would be the slow speed and horrendously bad fuel efficiency of 80+ year old engine designs, and reliability is probably not the best either with transmission systems and tracks that were made four generations ago.
 
an old and obsolete tank is at the end of the day still a tank, so if you can get it in working condition you can probably still get some utility out of it.
the armor is obsolete against modern tanks and anti tank weapons, but it still deflects small arms fire and shrapnel perfectly fine.
the cannon is worthless against modern tanks too, but it can still punch holes in building walls and annihilate unarmored vehicles without issue (if it can hit its intended target lol)
Is more or less the conclusion I came to - they'd be more effective than a technical at any rate
This is the post: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/invasion-of-ukraine-news-megathread.113457/post-12900609
probably the biggest downside would be the slow speed and horrendously bad fuel efficiency of 80+ year old engine designs, and reliability is probably not the best either with transmission systems and tracks that were made four generations ago.
On the contrary: due to its lower mass than modern tanks, even relatively ancient ones like the t-62 or t-55, the t-34 would probably get more miles per gallon. I'd probably also think about the relative difficulty of modernizing them, possibly lacking mounting points for reactive armor or battery power for modern systems like thermal sights. There's probably also soft factors like ergonomics too.

The real retarded thought experiment, now, is how useful this bad boy would be:
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The head Wagner guy is claiming the Russian military has "betrayed them" so it's safe to say that they are getting their shit pushed in by the superior weaponary Ukraine has but aren't allowed to retreat.

Basically, the Russian military brass simply doesn't understand how modern wars work.
He's been bitching for a few weeks now about not being given ammunition, and that if he doesn't get it "the front will collapse". If Kremlin Monkey troop politics sabotage their winter campaign I will laugh my ass off. It seems too perfect to be true though.
 
Its much more nuanced than my analysis, but the fact that they are bringing out designs made 40 years ago in large numbers during the entirety of the war is a sign of itself
The fact that they are now starting to bring out systems that dates to 40 years old or more without any upgrades speaks volumes

40 years ago it was 1983, Able Archer, T-72 was in use and so one.

BTR-50 origins from 1952 (70 years ago) and is based on tank from 1949 (more than 70 years ago), MT-LB is from 1960's (so it is only aroun 60 years old), but that tower is from 1940's (more than 70 years old).

So no, they are using even older shit.

Is more or less the conclusion I came to - they'd be more effective than a technical at any rate

Unless crew will be in need for service of their vehicle - probably it is easier to find someone who can do something with a technical than a T-34.

I doubt that they will use T-34, but...

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/11/europe/russia-t-34-world-war-ii-tanks-laos-intl/index.html they bought few from Laos. And they probably still have few T-34 to use on festives and so one.

I still doubt that they will waste them as technicals, but... thats ruzzia.
 
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