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[Breadbassket]

It’s not going to change anything. The ultimate beef the establishment has with January 6 is the same ultimate issue they have with Trump: white people, especially working class whites, are not allowed to feel empowered about anything. They had a good thing going during the Dubya/McCain/Romney era of the GOP where they’d make token statements that would get promptly ignored and discarded. What gets the blood boiling is their arrogance, like hanging out in Nancy’s office, only Jews and influential pee oh cees can do that.

It’s why there is such a push for tokenism at the GOP: they want a return to the days where whites didn’t feel they had a chance to be a part of the process and felt satisfied if some ayrabs got bombed instead. It didn’t make their lives any better but someone else got to eat shit for a brief moment and that’s all that matters. Trump gave these people hope and he’ll pay for that for the rest of his life.

The more things change, the more they stay the same:

“It may be inferred again that the present movement for women’s rights, will certainly prevail from the history of its only opponent, Northern conservatism. This is a party which never conserves anything. Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation. What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is to-day one of the accepted principles of conservatism; it is now conservative only in affecting to resist the next innovation, which will to-morrow be forced upon its timidity, and will be succeeded by some third revolution, to be denounced and then adopted in its turn. American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition. It remains behind it, but never retards it, and always advances near its leader. This pretended salt hath utterly lost its savor: wherewith shall it he salted? Its impotency is not hard, indeed, to explain. It is worthless because it is the conservatism of expediency only, and not of sturdy principle. It intends to risk nothing serious, for the sake of the truth, and has no idea of being guilty of the folly of martyrdom. It always—when about to enter a protest—very blandly informs the wild beast whose path it essays to stop, that its “bark is worse than its bite,” and that it only means to save its manners by enacting its decent rôle of resistance. The only practical purpose which it now subserves in American politics is to give enough exercise to Radicalism to keep it “in wind,” and to prevent its becoming pursy and lazy from having nothing to whip. No doubt, after a few years, when women’s suffrage shall have become an accomplished fact, conservatism will tacitly admit it into its creed, and thenceforward plume itself upon its wise firmness in opposing with similar weapons the extreme of baby suffrage; and when that too shall have been won, it will be heard declaring that the integrity of the American Constitution requires at least the refusal of suffrage to asses. There it will assume, with great dignity, its final position.”

That's from 1871.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Never Trumpers rally in D.C., trying to find hope and a plan amid despair

A two-day conference in the nation’s capital was a counter-programing, of sorts, to the MAGA confab happening just down the river.

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Never Trumpers rally in D.C., trying to find hope and a plan amid despair​

A two-day conference in the nation’s capital was a counter-programing, of sorts, to the MAGA confab happening just down the river.

"Trump is a cancer that's now metastasized," said former Rep. Barbara Comstock (R-Va.), shortly after wrapping a panel.

By ALLY MUTNICK

Donald Trump used his primetime stage at the CPAC conference this Saturday to taunt the Bush Republicans, globalists and neocons.

A dozen miles away, at a lower-profile gathering in downtown D.C. the remnants of that bygone GOP era gathered in a hotel ballroom, attempting once more to plot their way out of the obscurity into which the former president relegated them.

The two-day confab at the luxury Conrad Hotel, billed as the Principles First Summit, was implicitly constructed as a counterweight to the MAGA-fied Conservative Political Action Conference. But the programming also served to underscore the often-bleak, occasionally hopeless, existence that comes with being a modern day anti-Trump Republican.

The former Bush speechwriter turned columnist David Frum compared their effort to reform the party to blazing a landing strip in the middle of the jungle and simply waiting for planes to land. Former congressional candidate Clint Smith, who switched his party affiliation from Republican to Independent to challenge Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), described his state’s GOP as a forest of trees killed by an invasive species of beetle that crawls under bark to poison from the inside. Panels for the event included “Looking to 2024: Hope and Despair — but Mostly Despair” and “Can the GOP survive?”

If it all felt a bit dark at times, it was a reflection of the mood of some headliners.

“Trump is a cancer that’s now metastasized,” said former Rep. Barbara Comstock (R-Va.), shortly after wrapping the latter panel. “So it’s going to kill the party more.”

It’s been roughly six years since the dawn of the Never Trump movement. And, over that time period, it has not had much success — at least when it comes to reforming the party to which its members once belonged. But those within it feel as if a new political opportunity could be at hand with Trump’s vulnerable position in the party. The question they’re confronting is whether they can capitalize on it. By Sunday, they’d had some indications of how it would go. Larry Hogan, the former Maryland governor long seen as a centrist alternative to Trump in 2024, announced he would be forgoing a run for the presidency.

Despair, once again.

Organizers billed the gathering of 300 people from across the country as a strategy session for those who no longer feel welcome at the typical gathering of conservative activists. But it also provided a snapshot of how far the party has drifted in such a short period of time.

The summit itself is just three years old. A decade ago, many of the speakers at this year’s gathering were some of the party’s rising stars and top thinkers. Adam Kinzinger. Bill Kristol. John Kasich. But those who held office have hit political dead ends (Comstock notably lost by 12 points in a 2018 Trump-charged suburban revolt) and the anti-Trump talking heads found their usual confines less inviting. Of the few current elected officials who spoke at the Principles First Summit, two of them were Democrats: Maryland Gov. Wes Moore and Arizona Secretary of State Adrian Fontes.

The more immediate problem, however, may be that those in attendance don’t even agree on a way out of their conundrum. One example: Charlie Sykes, a Wisconsin political commentator, asked John Bolton, Trump’s former national security adviser, to address the criticism that he refused to testify in Trump’s first impeachment trial but then profited by writing a tell-all book.

Some in attendance wanted to reform the GOP from within. Others were resigned to boosting moderate Democrats over election-denying populists.

“It turns out that once you let the toothpaste out of the tube, so to speak, demagoguery and bigotry and all that, some people like it. It’s hard to get it back.” Kristol said. “You can’t just give them a lecture.”

“We need to defeat the Trump Republicans. And if that means being with the Democrats for a while, that’s fine,” he added, suggesting a presidential ticket of Democrats Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and Rep. Abigail Spanberger of Virginia. “That’s fine with me.”


Ronald Solomon works at his merchandise stand at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) at the Gaylord National Resort and Convention Center in National Harbor, Md. on March 2, 2023.

The people who convened at the Conrad have little in common with those who attended the Trump coronation ceremony down the river at CPAC. The latter aired a music video of a song the Jan. 6 defendants recorded from prison. The former gave Michael Fanone, the former D.C. police officer who was brutally attacked on Jan. 6, an award (after which he hung around to sign copies of his new book) and introduced Kinzinger, who was one of two Republicans on Congress’s committee investigating the attacks, as its “patron saint.”

Instead of MAGA hats and Trumpinator shirts, attendees wore navy blazers with American and Ukrainian flag pins affixed to the lapel. At least one Lincoln Project hat was spotted in the crowd.

There were no photo ops in a replica of the Oval Office, but attendees could visit a table in the lobby to learn about the benefits of ranked-choice voting and purchase some cookies from a booth set up by Daisy Girl Scouts. No declared presidential candidates came to woo the room. But Hogan did tape a video message that played shortly after he announced he wasn’t mounting a White House run.

Over the course of some 20 panels and speeches, the tone bounced from upbeat to nostalgic to despondent. One group debated whether Trump or Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis would be a worse nominee (no consensus was reached). At times, the proceedings had the feel of a collective therapy session — especially when it came to reliving the events of Jan. 6, 2021.

“It’s depressing if you speak out,” said Alyssa Farah Griffin, a former Trump aide turned View host who moderated that panel. “Everyone of us has received death threats for simply telling the truth.”

“There are members of my family that don’t speak to me. They actually think I’m an enemy of the state,” said Olivia Troye, a national security official who resigned from Vice President Mike Pence’s office in August 2020. “It’s almost like you’re trying to teach critical thinking to someone again.”

In the audience was Caroline Wren, a top Trump fundraiser who helped coordinate the Jan. 6 rally. Her presence seemed, on the surface, like an attempt to troll Principles First organizers, who saw she registered and were anxious anticipating her arrival. Wren told POLITICO she was just there to listen and appeared surprised her presence caused suspicion.

For many featured speakers, the crushing personal toll of opposing Trump and speaking out against Jan. 6 was a common theme.

“I had my co-pilot in the war that told me I should have just stayed a pilot because I’m a terrible politician,” Kinzinger said. “And he was ashamed to have fought with me.”

Michael Wood, who ran for a special congressional election in 2021 in Texas on an anti-Trump platform and got 3.2 percent of the vote, moderated a panel on whether the GOP could survive Trumpism. His opening question: “What evidence is there for any sort of optimism?”

“At some point,” Wood remarked later, “you have to ask yourself, ‘Am I going to keep going into these rooms that boo me? Hate me? Send me mean messages?’”

Comstock, once one of her party’s most touted incumbents and most effective operatives, said she had all but lost hope about the future of the GOP. But, she added, there remained glimmers: far-right GOP nominees for governor and secretary of state in Arizona, Michigan and Pennsylvania all fell to Democrats. “Pat yourself on the back that Kari Lake lost, Tudor Dixon lost and Josh Shapiro won.”

“It’s all loserville over there at CPAC,” she added.

The losses of MAGA Republicans was one of the threads of joy that surfaced at Principles First Summit. Indeed, Sarah Longwell, an anti-Trump strategist, suggested that the way to restore sanity to the GOP would be for it to suffer “sustained electoral defeats.”

But others weren’t content to see Republicans somehow bottom out before building the party back up again. Former Georgia Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan — who was chased out of office by Trump — offered a vague formula for reform from within. The GOP, he said, needed to focus on policy, empathy, and tone.

But even as he laid out a “five-point strategic roadmap” to reclaim the party, he couldn’t hide his joy at leaving elected office.

“It’s really really been a hard transition. I’ve been at all my kids’ games on time,” Duncan said to laughter. “I’m sleeping extremely well. It’s a really tough period of time for our family.”

 

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[Scale Smerch]

"There were no photo ops in a replica of the Oval Office, but attendees could visit a table in the lobby to learn about the benefits of ranked-choice voting

Lmao they're not even bothering now to hide how they're happy being the permanent opposition to perpetual Democrat rule. Only thing funnier is how none of them still cannot see why Trump is popular or why none of them will ever see the inside of political office ever again.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

China is dependent on us economically as a business partner. I don't understand why this war with China is being so heavily pushed by the MSM right now. I mean we don't even have to send in the Navy to protect Taiwan - just arm up Japan, an ally of ours, and have them throw down with China instead. Before WW2, Japan was the main power in Asia stomping China into the dirt during the 1800s.

It comes down to a number of things (as all major political decisions do).

1) The end of the forever war that was Afghanistan has caused two major setbacks for the uni-party. One, it makes them look inept as all hell. "Remember the afghan withdraw? Remember how biden fucked it up?" is a very common sentiment. Second, it has ended one of the major markets for the military-industrial complex. The Taliban isn't buying the latest piece of general dynamics or raytheon crap with american tax payer dollars. Nor are americans comfortable with Ukraine buying mic crap with american tax-payer dollars.

2) The war in Ukraine and the sanctions are utter failures for the uniparty. Russia's invasion has not spurred the american public into a pro-war mindset. Which again, limits the amount of mic contracts going out and how much money is made on them. Ukraine had the possibility to net hundreds of billions in military aid packages for these companies. This hasn't happened and the donors aren't happy. In addition, the supposed might of western sanctions has proven to be alot of hot air. Euro still runs off of Russian oil (just at a higher price.) The Russian economy hasn't collapsed and worse yet, has made Putin's dream of a multipolar world more possible. Speaking of Putin, he's still in power, another frustrating aspect for the DC roaches. Mother Russia isn't another land to be colonized and exploited like they hoped would occur during the fall of the USSR. It must be very infuriating for the Soro's of the world, that Moscow isn't another stop on the long list of globohomo cities. The failure of sanctions has given not a few regional powers a pause. "Perhaps we can challenge western hegemony?"

3) Domestically things are bad. Sure, it could be worse, but things could always be worse. Not only does half the country think biden is illegitimate, but everyone (besides the paid shills) knows he's a senile pedo puppet. Proped up only to ensure the majority of the American public only grumbles about the state of things, instead of acting on it. Inflation is through the roof, so is crime. No one cares about muh climate change and the green new deal, but everyone does care about children being groomed and the debate over the current state of public education or lack there of. Trumpism is not dead and, it looks like he'll run again in 2024 (and might even drain the swamp this time or so they fear). The controlled opposition that is the establishment GOP is done. And no one gives a shit about January 6th, and only in so far as the sham of justice that has been the "rioter's" "trials". Everyone knows the wheels are coming off this hell ride. War in asia distracts from all this, and sends the main obstacle to uni-party ambitions over seas, who just happen to be the back bone of the American military (middle class white males).

4) China being weak doesn't mean their unable to influence the world. And taking over or disrupting the semi-conductor trade is one way to not be weak. Taiwan has always been a thorn in the PRC's side since the civil war. Taking them out is in china's interest. A communist Taiwan grants the PRC control over the semi-conductor trade, even if its blown half to bits. This isn't something uni-party wants. Oh their more than happy to sell out American secrets and take commie money. However, that doesn't mean they want to be a chinese puppet state. These people are in it for themselves, not china

5) Any war over Taiwan won't stay about Taiwan. The Korea's are like to get into it again. Japan will be a part of it in some fashion; either in Taiwan or Korea. Southeast asia is as like as not to get into it as well, namely over the south china sea and all the shit china has pulled there. Which given American intelligence assets and the mic, will drive these nations into the arms of the US. Something the uni-party wants given the ever cooling relations between the US and most of Europe over the matter in Ukraine. I'm sure the pentagon generals can already see the dollar signs and the endless zeros after those signs.

This is why the uni-party propaganda centers (MSM) are pushing war. So long as the conflict doesn't go nuclear, all will be to their benefit. A weakened china, a reduced undesirable count, a distracted public, billions in kickbacks, and cover ups for their past fuck ups.

 

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I don't think they were mad at the Trump supporters going into the Capitol building at all. There were already feds in the crowd. We have several pieces of handheld footage on the ground of incitement, pushing others from behind from people with earpieces. Capitol Police firing teargas into a crowd. In fact there is one Capitol Police video where the cop says before the crowd arrives, "why don't we have more people? It's a setup." Pelosi controls the Capitol Police.

If they are mad about anything, it's that the Trump supporters didn't do more damage or kill anyone. And we can't even be sure the damage done now was by Trump supporters. The most violent act we have now is Ashley Babbitt trying to get past a barricade and shot in the throat.

They're mad because J6 was supposed to be another 9/11. Trump supporters were supposed to storm the capital (they were practically invited in by the shit security and agent provcateurs in the crowd), kill some Congressmen (maybe even Pence), and take others hostage while shooting Capitol Police left and right. Meanwhile, fake bombs were planted at the Republican/Democrat HQs to further the narrative. There was supposed to have been a hostage situation and then a huge standoff where SWAT teams would storm the Capitol and shoot a bunch of Trump supporters while arresting the survivors. Every channel in the country would be playing the footage as it developed, MAGA would be forever discredited, Trump would be sent to jail, and the Uniparty would reign forever.

And then none of that happened, so the only footage they got were weirdo boomers wandering around, a dude stealing a podium, and MAGA Viking, and barely anybody died besides boomers having heart attacks and Ashley Babbitt getting shot. Oops!

 

[Random Internet Person]

It's almost like the illegitimately installed ruling party wipes their ass with the concepts of law and justice.

Remember that a significant number of Republican faggots have also signed off on persecuting these people for the crimes of lazily strolling through a building.

And I’m just wondering how this’ll lead to the next McVeigh or Unabomber. At least that’s how a novel will play out with its plot, right?

They're mad because J6 was supposed to be another 9/11. Trump supporters were supposed to storm the capital (they were practically invited in by the shit security and agent provcateurs in the crowd), kill some Congressmen (maybe even Pence), and take others hostage while shooting Capitol Police left and right. Meanwhile, fake bombs were planted at the Republican/Democrat HQs to further the narrative. There was supposed to have been a hostage situation and then a huge standoff where SWAT teams would storm the Capitol and shoot a bunch of Trump supporters while arresting the survivors. Every channel in the country would be playing the footage as it developed, MAGA would be forever discredited, Trump would be sent to jail, and the Uniparty would reign forever.

And then none of that happened, so the only footage they got were weirdo boomers wandering around, a dude stealing a podium, and MAGA Viking, and barely anybody died besides boomers having heart attacks and Ashley Babbitt getting shot.

1. The propaganda sounds a lot cooler than the reality.

2. MAGA I’m not sure would be discredited. If anything, that scenario would be the call to arms for everyone who felt they had nothing to lose. And thus begins Civil War II: The American Troubles. Also, this uni party would continue to be hated and the right would continue to find ways to display their resentment.

 

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And I’m just wondering how this’ll lead to the next McVeigh or Unabomber. At least that’s how a novel will play out with its plot, right?


1. The propaganda sounds a lot cooler than the reality.

2. MAGA I’m not sure would be discredited. If anything, that scenario would be the call to arms for everyone who felt they had nothing to lose. And thus begins Civil War II: The American Troubles. Also, this uni party would continue to be hated and the right would continue to find ways to display their resentment.

Jan 6th was supposed to be the final decisive blow that struck down the right in the US forever.

MAGA was supposed to be the new Nazi, only the glorious Uniparty put them down before they could do anything. The MAGAs were supposed to rush in, lynch someone -- they had intentionally sabotaged that bald balck idiot senator's panic button, after all -- then get put down. For the next 30-100 years every time anything more conservative than Mao tried to do anything political in the US they were to be tied to MAGA and discredited forever.

As Save the Loli mentioned, they had this all planned out. Hell, CNN had a freelancer onsite embedded with a founder of a BLM / Antifa chapter who was the only one arrested for inciting a riot, who fucked up and forgot to delete his streams, outing the whole damned operation. It got memory holed REAL FUCKING QUICK but I'm sure that's coming back sooner or later.

Instead what you have is the left's cultural Pearl Harbor.

They threw EVERYTHING against Trump and the populist right. Academia. Corporations. The Military Industrial Complex. The Glowies. Compromised judges. Every -- EVERY -- media outlet. Big Tech. Small tech. EVERYTHING. It all culminated in that great decisive attack where they were supposed to permanently cement the idea that conservative = evil so Uniparty and WEF = only way forward.

Instead you had a wet duck fart that went nowhere and even Trump dodged their attempts to screw with him since everything was livestreamed and we know the timeline. They only continued to fuck it up since then.

That's why MAGA and the Honkening and the like are scaring the shit out of the left. It's why they get downright cagey with "Fuck Joe Biden" and "I did that" stickers. Because they have NOTHING else to throw at the right, barring increasingly desperate attempts at vote rigging to suppress them and increasingly hateful attempts to fuck them over indirectly and directly -- the EPA's "fuckit we'll just poison the heartland" reaction to East Palestine and the so-bad-it-has-to-be-intentional response afterwards, for example.

They have nothing else to do, no further power to put into play. What are they going to do, write more op-eds about how disagreeing with them makes you a double-plus nazifascist? Get big tech to ban you even more? Make public education and universities even MORE insane? They've literally shifted to having groomer clowns try and indoctrinate children into pedophilia and "radical queerness" to try and fundamentally shift the next generation's culture since they know they are facing a serious pushback.

Meanwhile, the right -- the actual right, the populist right -- is waking up and realizing "wait a minute, why are they having faggot strippers in women's clothing dance in front of kids? And what do you mean my daughter needs to have her tits cut off??" Which is only going to accelerate as more and more on the right finally come to their senses and realize that just ignoring the faggoty soy filled retards on the right isn't enough -- You cannot merely be conservative, you must be actively anti-Progressive.

The Pearl Harbor metaphor comes from this excellent column which I've linked before. Seriously required reading:

The Decisive Battle

“A lot of people are feeling relieved, or saying they’re ‘grateful to Admiral Yamamoto’ because there hasn’t been a single air raid. They’re very wrong: the fact that the enemy hasn’t come is no th…

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I see Cernovich's check cleared from the GOPe. Boring old Ann Coulter tier TDS talking points designed to piss off conservatives... from a "conservative."

They must be fairly desperate to stop Trump 2024 to try and drive a wedge in the base like this.

It is nice to have confirmation he's another Counter -- a mole designed to grift and waste the time/energy/resources of the right. Guess she was kinda getting a bit old, after all.

 

[derpherp2]

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And when the radicalized people that got jailed in guantanamo bay leave and suddenly we have ACTUAL terrorist cells in America now due to their dumbshit. I wonder if they'll suddenly feel... ANYTHING.
Who the fuck am I kidding the summer of "love" did nothing I doubt their grandma getting shitstomped by a guy wearing a moose hat from terraria is going to do anything.

Yep it gives the judges a way out.

Also I m glad Mccarthy chucked to the freedom cacus.

Also I always thought the correct Jan 6th play was to put the people in jail and have to potus openly plead to give them clemency in the name of healing the nation then boom

The left can say they were history's greatest monsters but got nixoned while the right can say they were innocent.

Both can say they were right

Your first mistake was assuming they'd be open to compromises.
Your second was assuming they wouldnt burn everything down in some form of reaction formation.
We aren't dealing with smart people, these are the backups of the backups of the backups of the backups in a long line of nepotistic incestuous dealings where your succesor is always lesser than you , by design. To propogate whichever moralistic delusion they inherited from whatever retardo gentlemen's club their ancestor went to. Like the fabian society.

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I see Cernovich's check cleared from the GOPe. Boring old Ann Coulter tier TDS talking points designed to piss off conservatives... from a "conservative."

They must be fairly desperate to stop Trump 2024 to try and drive a wedge in the base like this.

It is nice to have confirmation he's another Counter -- a mole designed to grift and waste the time/energy/resources of the right. Guess she was kinda getting a bit old, after all.

I don't think reminding everyone your political party did nothing is a good idea, to the point that the most important one of you couldn't do a damn thing about it.

But. Go for it. Tell everyone how useless you are.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

"Orange Man and followers win by doing nothing" is pretty much the takeaway of Jan 6th.

I believe part of the reason stems from a fundamental misunderstanding by the Left and the current left-inspired globalists on how right wingers revolt and partake in rebellion and terrorism.

The powers that be see it in a very left wing, progressive view. Where a army is assembled and marches onto the capital or local power center to take it down and raise their own flag. Think of the French Revolution or the Russian Revolution, of the Bastille and the October Revolution onto Petrograd and Red Square. So they planned around that sort of idea and assumed that when Trump called for a political rally on D.C. on the 6th they would come armed to take over the Capitol and capital and enforce their will.

Except that is not what was in the minds of MAGA. Their idea was to simply demand the law, as they saw it, be carried out. They at no point considered the idea of a siege and takeover because as far as they were concerned they were already the people in power and this was simply about demanding the law of the land be followed. Their ideas of a revolt and revolution see a takeover of the capital as a finisher for any rebellion, and something that might not even be needed at all. Their idea of a violent revolution is would be refuse to go to the capital and instead stay at home shooting federal agents who come and demand they pay taxes and take part in a government they do not see as legitimate.

The Deep State is so arrogant they did not even consider that Americans would consider the American Revolution to be the revolution of choice to emulate in case of a SHTF situation. They simply assumed the proles they suck dry of tax money are the exact same as the Euro proles and Chinese proles.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Meanwhile, the right -- the actual right, the populist right -- is waking up and realizing "wait a minute, why are they having faggot strippers in women's clothing dance in front of kids? And what do you mean my daughter needs to have her tits cut off??" Which is only going to accelerate as more and more on the right finally come to their senses and realize that just ignoring the faggoty soy filled retards on the right isn't enough -- You cannot merely be conservative, you must be actively anti-Progressive.

And how long before "being actively anti progressive" means that voting, diplomacy, and democracy ain't gonna cut it, especially after 2020 and 2022 and their respective elections?

Except that is not what was in the minds of MAGA. They at no point considered the idea of a siege and takeover

How long before it IS on the minds? How long before they DO consider?

Their idea of a violent revolution is would be refuse to go to the capital and instead stay at home shooting federal agents who come and demand they pay taxes and take part in a government they do not see as legitimate.

So basically the plan is to enact another Ruby Ridge or Waco? And get people to show how awful the ATF and the three letter agencies are in real time?

 

[Meat Target]

So basically the plan is to enact another Ruby Ridge or Waco? And get people to show how awful the ATF and the three letter agencies are in real time?

The plan is not to overthrow them on their own turf, but to get them to fuck off from yours. The Continental Army didn't send Marines to storm Buckingham Palace; they just became so ungovernable that the redcoats considered the Colonies not worth the trouble of keeping in the fold.

Same with VCs, the IRA, and the Mooj/Taliban. Didn't overthrow their occupiers, just got them to give up and go home.

 

[Random Internet Person]

The plan is not to overthrow them on their own turf, but to get them to fuck off from yours. The Continental Army didn't send Marines to storm Buckingham Palace; they just became so ungovernable that the redcoats considered the Colonies not worth the trouble of keeping in the fold.

And how would that apply to the 21st century? It ain't like IRS and FBI agents being shot at will make the White House announce "Joe Biden has been diagnosed with dementia, he will be resigning in order to focus on his health and spending time with his family" while Congress sees a lot of resignations, retirements, and announcements for not running for reelection as everyone in DC goes into hiding to avoid lynch mobs and /pol/ going on a HWNDU style hunting trip.

 

[AnotherPleb]

And how would that apply to the 21st century? It ain't like IRS and FBI agents being shot at will make the White House announce "Joe Biden has been diagnosed with dementia, he will be resigning in order to focus on his health and spending time with his family" while Congress sees a lot of resignations, retirements, and announcements for not running for reelection as everyone in DC goes into hiding to avoid lynch mobs and /pol/ going on a HWNDU style hunting trip.

Balkanization is how it applies in the current era, and that would destroy the current world order as it relies on America being intact.

 

[Meat Target]

And how would that apply to the 21st century? It ain't like IRS and FBI agents being shot at will make the White House announce "Joe Biden has been diagnosed with dementia, he will be resigning in order to focus on his health and spending time with his family" while Congress sees a lot of resignations, retirements, and announcements for not running for reelection as everyone in DC goes into hiding to avoid lynch mobs and /pol/ going on a HWNDU style hunting trip.

None of that needs to happen. You're missing the point. The point is to make the Heartland a no-go zone for the Feds' enforcers, so that the former is free to govern themselves as they see fit.

Let the coasties keep their Carrion Emperor on his Golden Throne, and their bughives of anarcho-tyranny. Not our problem.

 

[Random Internet Person]

None of that needs to happen. You're missing the point. The point is to make the Heartland a no-go zone for the Feds' enforcers, so that the former is free to govern themselves as they see fit.

Let the coasties keep their Carrion Emperor on his Golden Throne, and their bughives of anarcho-tyranny. Not our problem.

Isn't that kind of happening already, with the only complaint being "the splitting of the worlds isn't happening fast enough"?

 

[General Emílio Médici]

It kinda is. It is why they are so desperately trying to force things and get people to rally around the Current Thing and there is so much propaganda pushing.

The thing is they need the people far more than the people need them. Which is why the idea of non-compliance is scaring them. They need you to live in the pod, eat the bugs and own nothing for the Brave New World to work. But people don't want to. So they keep forcing it.

Something is gonna give. Either it will be the powers that be going mask off and forcing people without any option, or it will be the people refusing to comply and leaving. And once either happens the powers that be loses.

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

Isn't that kind of happening already, with the only complaint being "the splitting of the worlds isn't happening fast enough"?

Right now its more that they don't care to, as opposed to not being able too. I believe the goal would be for the Feds to actively be unable to fuck around in areas less they find out, as opposed to now where they'll ignore you and your needs until someone else tries to help, then step in with the Iron Boot to stop said aid.

Right now, there's no autonomy, just an enforced helpless isolation.