Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Null]

Another deployment map for map autists out there. Done by what seems to be a single autist based on press releases, so take that as you will. Shows more of Ukraine's units than the CSIS map, but seemingly less of Russia's.

Deployment map of the War in Ukraine

Interactive map showing deployment of Ukrainian and Russian units during the War in Ukraine, and the current frontline.

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is this accurate? There's nothing on the Pridnestrovi-Ukraine border.

 

[skjora]

The only war trophies I'd be interested in are some instruments, switches, buttons etc. pried intact off of soviet armor and aircraft. Not morbid, and pretty easy to wire up into light switches or custom PC case power buttons and such.

 

[mindlessobserver]

is this accurate? There's nothing on the Pridnestrovi-Ukraine border.

There was some rumors of Ukraine massing troops near Moldova, but nothing concrete beyond paranoid hand wringing in Tiraspol. I imagine the government there is feeling very lonely at the moment and is jumping at anything that bumps in the night.

That said though this map is based on Open Source reporting. I expect if Ukraine was planning something in Moldova it would be classified at the level "SBU makes you dissappear if you talk".

 

[Techpriest Mk II]

is this accurate? There's nothing on the Pridnestrovi-Ukraine border.

You could put border guards and cops there. Trannystan is irrelevant as a threat and 1000 Russian troops there are very eager not to be fighting and thanking god they aren’t at Bakhmut

 

[draggs]

Only reason there'd be any hohol formations anywhere near Moldovan border is if they were training

 

[Ghostse]

Copethreadians are slowly getting how good is going ruzzkie offensive. Conclusions are as always shit ('TWO MORE WEEKS').

Not to encourage crossing the threads, but I see the Z-tard cope has shifted to "Wagner would win the war if MoD stopped holding them back with incompetence".

Which, tbf, in this war Russian command staff have been Ukraine's most potent battlefield ally. If Russia had stopped full-force punching itself in the dick for about 10 minutes, Ukraine would have be having a much tougher time. They had a competent commander in place for about 8 minutes and he stabilized the front and abandoned wasteful, vulnerable positions like Kherson. Pulling back to place they could hold broke Ukraine's post-Kharkiv momentum.

But Wagner's performance just shows when you don't care about civilian casualties, war crimes, and have masses of expendable prisoners to locate enemy positions, you can almost take a town of 50,000 after a year.

This war would be over already if either side would just import some north Georgia Appalachian mountain squid mercenaries and their expertise with MUDDIN

If Ukraine was just a little warmer, we could get both sides to agree to settle things with a bogging competition.
Well, maybe. Most of the Russian troops wouldn't be on board with the "hot girls in bikinis" part.

The only war trophies I'd be interested in are some instruments, switches, buttons etc. pried intact off of soviet armor and aircraft. Not morbid, and pretty easy to wire up into light switches or custom PC case power buttons and such.

I want an Mi-24 (can be inop) for the front lawn and a BMP-1 for the morning commute. I'd want a BMP-3, but I'm afraid I'd be too tempted to abuse TREAD POWER on rubber neckers

 

[draggs]

I want an operational Hind D so I can larp as Liquid Snake

 

[Jewthulhu]

is this accurate? There's nothing on the Pridnestrovi-Ukraine border.

You could put border guards and cops there. Trannystan is irrelevant as a threat and 1000 Russian troops there are very eager not to be fighting and thanking god they aren’t at Bakhmut

Only reason there'd be any hohol formations anywhere near Moldovan border is if they were training

Could also be a limited dataset. Most public maps you can find are based largely off of open intelligence reports and typically visual confirmation. That's why there are typically less Russian units mapped, and why many maps focus on units near the front (as they tend to get a lot more attention and are easier to visually confirm based on battlefield pictures/videos). I'm actually impressed this map shows units not near the front as well, though looking at the "last update" (by clicking on the individual battalion, you can see a lot of the info from the battalions not on the front is from last year.

As a general rule, any map publicly viewable should be treated as a very gross approximation of force concentration rather than gospel.

 

[No. 7 cat]

Man, in the last thread I remember askign how useful a T-34 would be in the war as a retarded thought experiment. But every day it seems we get a little closer to it becoming a serious question

Some British Mark Vs are in Russian museums, left behind from an effort the Brits made to save the Whites. Maybe these could appear on the front. Yet if old equipment whether some T-55s (Ukraine) or T-64s (both) was useless, they wouldn't be used. A lot of the forces have very basic weapons, so presumably the trick is to match the old equipment against forces with equally or more basic gear.

It seems decently clear enough that UA will hold Bahkmut at least for now. Presumably it is to give time to adequately prepare the Spring offensive. Denys Davydov also talks about the Wagnerites increasingly pressed in respect of men and ammunition. Perhaps with Prigozhin, and a bit like Kadyrov (Kadyrov is far more of a joke with his TikTok warriors fit only to bully grannies and fire at empty buildings), their obnoxiously expressed views reached a tipping point making them into disposable annoyances (perhaps also Kadyrov just annoys too many Chechens with quite a few appearing in Ukraine). Given Prigozhin's vast food contracts with Russian schools and Army, there is surely a vast army of enemies in the Russian political and administrative class who think him both rude and unwilling to share the goodies. Still with Kadyrov and Prigozhin the poisoning and supply constriction could be a treat em mean, keep em keen sort of thing. Both might be useful chess pieces for Putin.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Not to encourage crossing the threads, but I see the Z-tard cope has shifted to "Wagner would win the war if MoD stopped holding them back with incompetence".

Which, tbf, in this war Russian command staff have been Ukraine's most potent battlefield ally. If Russia had stopped full-force punching itself in the dick for about 10 minutes, Ukraine would have be having a much tougher time. They had a competent commander in place for about 8 minutes and he stabilized the front and abandoned wasteful, vulnerable positions like Kherson. Pulling back to place they could hold broke Ukraine's post-Kharkiv momentum.

But Wagner's performance just shows when you don't care about civilian casualties, war crimes, and have masses of expendable prisoners to locate enemy positions, you can almost take a town of 50,000 after a year.

Court politics I think is a major factor in all of this. Putin has cultivated a government very similar to Louis XIV. All the officials one step below him, by design, are too busy squabbling with each other to be a threat to Putin. This is a good way to organize if the goal to be the Tsar sitting atop of pyramid of patronage and power. It's not a good system if you want to fight a Great Power War.

It's not an accident the war has never really had one operational commander. It's also no accident that Russias ability to supply It's troops and Mercenaries seems consistently stymied. All the complex apparatus of a nation at war have to go through various Agencies of the Russian State that hate each others guts and are actively seeking to undermine each other. This isn't incompetence, it's by design.

This is why Wagner is busy making videos shitting on Shoiugu while simultaneously begging him for ammo. It's also why Russian command staff seem like a bunch retards who don't even have basic military ability. It's because they don't. Senior positions in the military are critical patronage posts senior Russian officials use to maintain their power. The last thing any of them want to do is give one of these plum assignments to someone outside their patronage network. If they did that they would find themselves sipping polonium tea.

The end result is an Army that can't keep itself supplied, is hopelessly disorganized, staffed by generals who would probably fire an RPG backwards if it was handed to them because the extent of their military careers has been attending social functions in Moscow. The failures of Russias invasion of Ukraine has been very much a self inflicted wound.

 

[Techpriest Mk II]

Not to encourage crossing the threads, but I see the Z-tard cope has shifted to "Wagner would win the war if MoD stopped holding them back with incompetence".

Which, tbf, in this war Russian command staff have been Ukraine's most potent battlefield ally. If Russia had stopped full-force punching itself in the dick for about 10 minutes, Ukraine would have be having a much tougher time. They had a competent commander in place for about 8 minutes and he stabilized the front and abandoned wasteful, vulnerable positions like Kherson. Pulling back to place they could hold broke Ukraine's post-Kharkiv momentum.

But Wagner's performance just shows when you don't care about civilian casualties, war crimes, and have masses of expendable prisoners to locate enemy positions, you can almost take a town of 50,000 after a year.


If Ukraine was just a little warmer, we could get both sides to agree to settle things with a bogging competition.
Well, maybe. Most of the Russian troops wouldn't be on board with the "hot girls in bikinis" part.


I want an Mi-24 (can be inop) for the front lawn and a BMP-1 for the morning commute. I'd want a BMP-3, but I'm afraid I'd be too tempted to abuse TREAD POWER on rubber neckers

My plan is to buy a BTR-80 from some farmer for 80 bucks after this and just drive it to work. Fuck ever getting snowed in again, fuck stacy stealing my parking spot, and fuck fuel economy.

 

[Melmac_Knight]

Yeah, I wouldn't be abandoning Bakhmut so long as I could maintain a ratio like that. I know assaults are always bloody for the attacking team but 5x the losses is just ridiculous. WW1 in 2023 indeed.

they can easily increase the ratio by giving the city and start picking them off when they attack from the fields

 

[DumbDude43]

All the unexploded munitions in that area would ensure that it becomes an exclusion zone tighter than Chernobyl after disaster for at least a decade I reckon. But I suppose you could always bribe your way in. Just be prepared that you might leave without legs.

a decade? very optimistic. they're still occasionally digging up ww2 era bombs in germany to this day, and in france and belgium there are still areas with tons of ww1 shit left in the ground.

 

[Racist Trash]

a decade? very optimistic. they're still occasionally digging up ww2 era bombs in germany to this day, and in france and belgium there are still areas with tons of ww1 shit left in the ground.

Hell the UK still finds unexploded bombs around and that's just bombs.

 

[not william stenchever]

Court politics I think is a major factor in all of this. Putin has cultivated a government very similar to Louis XIV. All the officials one step below him, by design, are too busy squabbling with each other to be a threat to Putin. This is a good way to organize if the goal to be the Tsar sitting atop of pyramid of patronage and power. It's not a good system if you want to fight a Great Power War.

This got me thinking.

Despite all the squabbling between the leaders of the 1st crusade they comparatively achieved vastly more than Russia has done in their attempt to conquer Ukraine. For the crusaders they had disunity in their forces because everyone of note wanted to be top dog; in Russia they're at each other's throats because the top dog likes it that way. For the crusaders logistics was massively complicated because their homelands are in Western Europe while they're fighting in the middle east, but they still found a way to get resupply; In Russia vs Ukraine Russia struggles to supply their troops more than 50 miles from a railhead. The crusaders alienated the Eastern Roman Empire while still maintaining some level of support from them; The Russians alienated the global trade network and even members of their own treaty organization. Biggest thing to compare: The crusaders were fighting as a relatively small force in the homelands of their enemy that could ideally call upon much greater numbers to expel them; the Russians are fighting a much smaller country which on paper should have been steamrolled.

Talk about the mother of all fuckups.

 

[Ookoo Squad]

Slap a sepia filter, call it 'Ypres', and you wouldn't know the difference.

Yeah, checks out.

Well its pissing me off the thing about that whole ukranian POW exsicusion how russian reacted in their telegram channels. The fucking glee of it all.

Every one of those people would shit their pants in that situation, and I'm not saying I'm exempt. Utter faggots. The exact same sort of people who'll call guys going off to a real war facing real bullets "LARPers" while they play tacticool dressup in the local national park (if they ever get out of their basements, that is).

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Make a bouncy castle decorated with bones, bone rollercoasters, bone themed escape room called the Bone Zone. Bone based economy.

Or a Ukrainian version of the Bone Stripper:

 

[RodgerDodger]

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Some British Mark Vs are in Russian museums, left behind from an effort the Brits made to save the Whites. Maybe these could appear on the front. Yet if old equipment whether some T-55s (Ukraine) or T-64s (both) was useless, they wouldn't be used. A lot of the forces have very basic weapons, so presumably the trick is to match the old equipment against forces with equally or more basic gear.

It seems decently clear enough that UA will hold Bahkmut at least for now. Presumably it is to give time to adequately prepare the Spring offensive. Denys Davydov also talks about the Wagnerites increasingly pressed in respect of men and ammunition. Perhaps with Prigozhin, and a bit like Kadyrov (Kadyrov is far more of a joke with his TikTok warriors fit only to bully grannies and fire at empty buildings), their obnoxiously expressed views reached a tipping point making them into disposable annoyances (perhaps also Kadyrov just annoys too many Chechens with quite a few appearing in Ukraine). Given Prigozhin's vast food contracts with Russian schools and Army, there is surely a vast army of enemies in the Russian political and administrative class who think him both rude and unwilling to share the goodies. Still with Kadyrov and Prigozhin the poisoning and supply constriction could be a treat em mean, keep em keen sort of thing. Both might be useful chess pieces for Putin.

somebody please correct me if I am remembering this wrong, but from what I remember from pre-war absurdities, Russia doesn't actually have any operational T-55's. They've been renting them from North Korea for their big parades for a few years now.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Ukraine posted 10 minutes of combat footage from 24 February. I can't read moon runes though. Think it's Vulhedar.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Well its pissing me off the thing about that whole ukranian POW exsicusion how russian reacted in their telegram channels. The fucking glee of it all.

Remember they are the defenders of Christianity against the globohomo. Their virtue shines through every day it seems.

Seriously though, that is really fucked up. These comments sound like the kind of thing you'd hear in WWII Japan, just pure hate-filled fanaticism.